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I'm the US. What's its like there in UK about all this? Reminds me of the 80s/90s with all the diana and charles drama

hard to tell cause most of us are wfh so general office chats about news and gossip are kinda lost, and frankly there’s better topics of conversation when you do have work calls

think it’s pretty split though, either people think Harry is some hero that they weirdly infantilise by showing pictures of the coffin walk and Meghan is an angel, or people think they’re both schemers playing the constant victim
 
The bullying would have been irelvant in court anyway as the arguement was only on if the letter being published was a breach of privacy. No Judge would allow someone to bring up irrelevant allegations.

The Times is being used as The Sun (Sister paper of the Timees) and Mail (who must have known about them as how would the Times know all that aspect of the case and the Mail didn't.) wanted a paper not directly associated with the story to break it.

I didnt mean the bullying allegation would have come up inside the court. Why would it.

I meant that the court case going ahead would have led to lots of other stuff coming out in the Press around that time. The court case would lead to the hornet's nest being kicked and other stuff coming to light as well.
It would have been open season and the perfect opportunity for those in the know to make the full details of the bullying allegations known to a wider audience.

But now there is no court case to create that opportunity for people to speak out about Meghan, maybe they are frustrated and are blowing the whistle on the bullying anyway because they have sat on it for almost 2 years and think enough is enough.


It was a suggestion to explain why the bullying story is only coming out now instead of when it is alleged to have happened.

I'm the US. What's its like there in UK about all this? Reminds me of the 80s/90s with all the diana and charles drama

Not every Brit is pro Royal family, but we all know the Queen is a fantastic diplomat and has dedicated her life to duty.

We know she has made changes when the public have made it clear they were unhappy with her, ie, she volunteered to start paying Income tax like the rest of us.
And she came back to London when Diana died because there was a huge outcry.
So even those who are anti Royal family have a great respect for the Queen and we don't really like it if anyone is rude to her.
That "service is universal" comment from the Sussex camp has really put the cat amongst the pigeons because it is seen as a deliberate insult to Her Majesty.

Also, H and M had plenty of support at first. They still do have some, but they lost a lot because they started to lecture about reducing carbon footprint whilst jetting about and are now seen to be self-serving money grabbers. And that is deemed to be undignified and not classy.

And the lost supporters fall into 2 camps now. One lot who are angry with them because they feel they have direspected the Queen and another lot who don't want to hear about them ever again because they have rejected their position.
 
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Thanks for the recs @annapolly and @NOID-phal I’ve covered all the usual BRF book recommendations and now am branching out to other Royal families. It’s interesting how the same types of stories seem to play out across different countries and cultures.
The Swedish Royal family seem pretty messy as do the Monégasque and the Japanese if that’s what your looking for! Though nothing beats the Nepalese Royal Family in terms of modern family drama - the majority were massacred in 2001 by a disgruntled Prince (allegedly, there is some controversy). The monarchy ended in 2008 after, in part, being forced to step down by the government and thus ended the last Hindu monarchy.
 
The Swedish Royal family seem pretty messy as do the Monégasque and the Japanese if that’s what your looking for! Though nothing beats the Nepalese Royal Family in terms of modern family drama - the majority were massacred in 2001 by a disgruntled Prince (allegedly, there is some controversy). The monarchy ended in 2008 after, in part, being forced to step down by the government and thus ended the last Hindu monarchy.

Love the Swedish drama, their Jewellery collection is probably my favourite. The Amethyst tiara and matching accessories are just gorgeous. Adding Monegasque, Japanese, and Nepalese Royalty to the list to research. Thanks so much 😊
 
Learning so much here.
Just been reading about the Tea throwing on the Australian tour!!

Yes, it really is a case of the "service is universal" statement being the act of kicking the quiet dog, and now the dog is biting with all the bullying and bad behaviour allegations from almost 2 years ago coming to light.


I had no idea about all of this!!!!
Wow.
Just......wow.
 
I feel that all that H&M are saying in their interview, they couldn’t possibly have thought the palace was going to sit back and say nothing. This could roll on and on. Almost tit for tat. Meghan seems to think she can get the upper hand not realizing she’s dealing with The Queen and I think that’s been her problem all along. She wanted to be the top dog. Why on earth H isn’t putting a stop to it... it will be interesting to hear what he has to say in the interview as he knows it will have an enormous effect on his grandparents and father.
 
It's not just coming out now - there have been stories since day one. Journalists and people hearing directly from those working with her that she's haughty, difficult, demanding and high-handed.

To all those complaining about BP not doing anything about the bullying claims - what could they do? It's not like a workplace where they could sack Meghan. She was there to stay and they had to work around that. It sounds like those affected were simply moved elsewhere or were likely well-compensated.
 
No.
Gaffes like this have happened before, about other people, too. Someone accidentally published whilst editing and well...

The fail also accidentally published articles on court cases declaring a false win or loss, because they expected one outcome and had articles ready for both, but who published clicked too fast.


Yes.
BP has now launched an investigation. Conveniently, the bullies are no longer with BP.

Most hilarious when companies launch investigations and then find everything to be just dandy, when everyone knows it's not and those at fault left the building already, so any consequence is already dead in the water.


I watched several great docus on Ed and Wallis.

The establishment had many problems with Ed, some ridiculous, some serious.

On the serious front was the Nazi plan. No, not his Nazi love (which most people of the Establishment were guilty of, plus media etc), but the plan that the establishment got wind of Hitler invading Britain and Ed ruling under that (and Ed being perfectly fine with this). Germany invading Britain was unacceptable and that was the gravest "Nazi problem", not the support of the movement within Germany per se.

Their problem with Wallis was just that Wallis was friends with various people and they were afraid of pillow talk and that reaching outsiders (eg Wallis seeing the red boxes and blabbing etc). That was their biggest problem with Wallis and that was mostly a small fish to fry.

Their biggest problems, with today's eyes easily deemed ridiculous (frankly, even then anyone with a heart would deem them ridiculous), were Ed's "eccentricities", like dressing too awfully for the golf course (actually quite similar to today's golf attire, back then it was... gauche), him shaking hands with the working class (no one shook hands back then and even Liz only started to shake hands after Diana did so), him wanting to visit working class people (in the docu comparisons were drawn with Diana, same with the question by Liz to Diana why she'd want to see all these ill people and not do "nicer things"), criticising the living and health conditions the working class was subject to (wanting to improve these areas) and all this was sticking his nose where it didn't belong and threatening the status quo. In some areas, like these, he would've made a pretty fine and revolutionary king.

He also didn't want to host the archbishop of Canterbury on his holiday (at Sandringham) as was tradition, saying it's his holiday, why should he work by socializing and entertaining work mates (to put it simply), which frankly I can't fault him for having this attitude.
The establishment was appalled and they had the Yorks host the archbishop, which the Yorks happily did.
The major problem here, though, was that this effectively created a shadow court and the Yorks cosplaying king and queen and setting up their court with the help of the establishment, as they then proceeded to do more things like a shadow court. Everyone was aware of this, no one was an innocent. This is also why it's always whispered that Liz the qm helped get rid of Ed (i.e. helping with his abdication).

And well, misogyny being what it is and the establishment needing a reason to give the public for the abdication, Wallis was put forward as reason.
They could hardly say: "Ed's caring for the working class doesn't gel with us and even though we like Hitler and his party we can't have him invade Britain, so the king has to go."
There are letters surviving which she wrote to her ex-husband explicitly saying that she didn't want to marry Ed and she was happy as is and how miserable marriage would be. She had no choice after the abdication.

There are fantastic docus on YouTube, they aired on the BBC and elsewhere, letters are shown etc. I was quite shocked when I learnt this because the Nazi narrative is so strong and no one wants to say these days that so many of the upper class and the establishment were anti-Semites and in favour of Hitler.

Remember the video of Liz the qm, Margaret and Lizzie doing the Nazi salute?
I mean, fine, kids are kids, but Liz the queen mum was an adult and fully knew what was going on and what she was doing.
I've got a few pages still to read but he was also putting people's backs up by skiving off duties. He was supposed to be opening the new Aberdeen Royal Infirmary on the Foresthill site but pulled out due to illness even though it had been arranged for some time and he always knew that it was in his calendar for when he was nearby at Balmoral. Foresterhill was opened by the Duke of York (George VI) but the very same day Edward was seen at Aberdeen Joint Railway Station picking up Wallis for her visit. My dad was in his late teens at the time and spoke of it several times when the subject of Edward and Wallis came up. It really pissed off the city and NE of Scotland.
 
Love the Swedish drama, their Jewellery collection is probably my favourite. The Amethyst tiara and matching accessories are just gorgeous. Adding Monegasque, Japanese, and Nepalese Royalty to the list to research. Thanks so much 😊
Have a look too at the royal family of Bhutan. Handsome youngish king, stunningly beautiful queen, two adorable small princes, and trying to marry the best of the modern world to their traditional practices. Add to that a side chorus of princesses, sisters of the king, and a retired former king, his dad.
 
Something I came across a gossip site about H&M and the bullying rumours...
 

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Why the call for all this drama? Surely if they wanted a peaceful life away from the press they would have gone away and done charitable work quietly which would have meant more. This in itself shows how nasty she is. Personally I’d have preferred a drama free and quiet life. I really feel sorry for his father which isn’t mentioned often enough, must be so tough for him and The Queen.
 
They can’t win this. The Royal Famalam have centuries of experience at machinations and manoeuvre. What do H&M think they will do, bring the a house of Windsor down?

It’s fascinating. I’d say it’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other but Megz will be the fall guy.
 
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