The Moscow/Idaho Murders #4
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LasVegas702
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I think that the judge will keep the gag order in place and I think that soon there will be a status hearing either closed to the public or open to the public. I think that the judge will look over the evidence from the prosecution, looked at the defense's 17th supplemental request for discovery, read all the transcripts of all of the hearings and start asking questions of the prosecution and LE.
Tangent Tiger
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@LasVegas702 do you read the reddit sub as well? I'm quite grateful to people like you who have an understanding of the case and the areas
LasVegas702
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Sometimes but not often. I post things here that I think that others may find to be interesting about the case or insightful. There is a lot going on with this case. This isn't an open and shut case. There are holes in that PCA that in the Idaho state court system and the PCA that was used for PA court system is easier to read and I'm guessing that PA asked for it to be written that way. Also the PCA used for a search warrant for BK's apartment and WSU office was written by a different officer and has one detail different from Officer Payne's PCA in Idaho.
wibble
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DutyRon - never a friend of the defence - pointed out...
That the defence didn't object to the destruction of the crime scene. And that this might be a problem for the prosecution at the new venue.
Another problem they had was with the removal of the property and it's return to the parents.
They also played the video of the men in cowboy hats.
That the defence didn't object to the destruction of the crime scene. And that this might be a problem for the prosecution at the new venue.
Another problem they had was with the removal of the property and it's return to the parents.
They also played the video of the men in cowboy hats.
LasVegas702
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there is someone that is a YouTube creator that clipped Scott R video about the Idaho 4 and some people on reddit isn't too happy about that person sharing Scott R's clip. I watched his live stream tonight and I can see why. He was taking some nasty jibs at BK being flown in a private and said that BK was getting preferential treatment. But BK was flown because it was the safest and fastest way and also because he has got death threats. Also this creator has said that she doesn't recommend Scott R's channel to watch on a regular basics.
This Creator went live with someone on X that is also on YouTube, it was very interesting to see this person live. Since I've seen them go back and forth with people are X or twitter. They didn't seem that confident imo. I didn't watch much of this live either when I saw who was live with that person. This person called Arizona College but they probably mean University of Phoenix, there was some tweet about U of I buying U of Phoenix. They also called U of I, Idaho State University, they are not the same. Idaho State University is in Pocatello, Idaho,
LasVegas702
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LasVegas702
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Status Conference on Sept 26, 2024 at 2 pm Idaho Time
Notice of Hearing
ORDER GOVERNING COURTROOM CONDUCT so this Status Conference will be live stream on the Judge's YouTube page
Notice of Hearing
ORDER GOVERNING COURTROOM CONDUCT so this Status Conference will be live stream on the Judge's YouTube page
LasVegas702
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The hearing is at 2 PM Mountain Time, Idaho has two different time zones.
LasVegas702
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One thing that I really liked about reddit was when the defense filed for the grand jury indictment to be dismiss and the court document listed many Idaho codes of law. Someone that had a legal background went a found all those Idaho codes of law listed and posted them. It very informative because LYK didn't look them up and cover them and I don't think EDB did either. It was very helpful. Even though the indictment wasn't dismissed it was still very interesting and there was like 24 or so issues that the defense mentioned.
I look at the question if it looks or sounds interesting? I'll click on it and read the comments.
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LasVegas702
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MOTION FOR DEFENDANT TO WEAR STREET CLOTHING TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS A new document in the case that was filed by the defense on Sept 20, 2024. So it looks like the defense is just waiting for the judge to approve the request for Bryan to wear street clothes at all public hearings.
LasVegas702
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Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger asks new judge for courthouse wardrobe exception
Bryan Kohberger has a new judge in Ada County after change of venue
By Michael Ruiz Fox News
Published September 24, 2024 9:58am EDT
www.foxnews.com
Lawyers for criminology Ph.D. student Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho undergrads in a 4 a.m. home invasion attack, have asked the new judge overseeing his case to let him wear "street clothing" rather than a jailhouse jumpsuit to court.
After making his first couple of appearances in an orange Latah County Jail uniform in January 2023, Kohberger has been wearing suits to court.
Now that proceedings have been moved to Ada County following a successful motion for a change of venue, his defense is asking the new judge, Steven Hippler, to allow him to continue dressing up, which they wrote in court documents would protect his right to a fair trial.
Authorizing Mr. Kohberger to wear street clothing to all public hearings is one way to reduce potential for prejudice," defense attorney Anne Taylor wrote.
Taylor cited a 1976 Supreme Court decision that found forcing a defendant to wear a jail uniform to court could negatively impact the person's presumption of innocence.
The same defense team also successfully argued to have news cameras removed from the proceedings, severely restricting the media's ability to photograph their client, regardless of what he wears.
She also took issue with media coverage of her client's new mugshot, taken last week after his transfer to Ada County custody.
The 29-year-old Kohberger was studying for a Ph.D. in criminology at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, at the time of the murders. The school is just a 10-minute drive from the crime scene on the edge of the University of Idaho campus in Moscow, Idaho, just across the state line.
Kohberger is accused of entering an off-campus rental home around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13, 2022, and massacring four students inside with a large knife.
The victims were Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.
Police found a Ka-Bar knife sheath under Mogen's body that they later alleged in court documents had Kohberger's DNA on it. Investigators have also alleged that phone data and surveillance video placed Kohberger in the victims' neighborhood around the time of the murders.
His defense countered in court filings that he was out for a casual drive "as he often did to hike and run and/or see the moon and stars."
Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, has previously criticized Kohberger's ability to dress up in court, which he said is just part of a series of "unprecedented" pretrial privileges the defendant was granted in Latah County.
Goncalves told Fox News Digital last year that he tried to find out who paid for the suits and get other information about the defense budget through a public records request, but it was denied under a gag order on the case.
"They won't tell us," he said. "But I witnessed the moment they agreed not to handcuff him in court."
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Kohberger is facing four charges of first-degree murder and another of felony burglary.
He could face the death penalty if convicted.
The defense is trying to have it taken off the table.
A judge entered not guilty pleas on his behalf at his arraignment in May 2023. The trial has already been delayed and is expected to begin in June 2025.
There are legal reasons why Bryan is allowed to wear a suit in pre trial hearings vs Richard Allen from the Delphi case.
Bryan Kohberger has a new judge in Ada County after change of venue
By Michael Ruiz Fox News
Published September 24, 2024 9:58am EDT
Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger asks new judge for courthouse wardrobe exception
Lawyers for University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect say wearing "street clothes" in court will reduce "potential for prejudice" against Bryan Kohberger.
Lawyers for criminology Ph.D. student Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho undergrads in a 4 a.m. home invasion attack, have asked the new judge overseeing his case to let him wear "street clothing" rather than a jailhouse jumpsuit to court.
After making his first couple of appearances in an orange Latah County Jail uniform in January 2023, Kohberger has been wearing suits to court.
Now that proceedings have been moved to Ada County following a successful motion for a change of venue, his defense is asking the new judge, Steven Hippler, to allow him to continue dressing up, which they wrote in court documents would protect his right to a fair trial.
Authorizing Mr. Kohberger to wear street clothing to all public hearings is one way to reduce potential for prejudice," defense attorney Anne Taylor wrote.
Taylor cited a 1976 Supreme Court decision that found forcing a defendant to wear a jail uniform to court could negatively impact the person's presumption of innocence.
The same defense team also successfully argued to have news cameras removed from the proceedings, severely restricting the media's ability to photograph their client, regardless of what he wears.
She also took issue with media coverage of her client's new mugshot, taken last week after his transfer to Ada County custody.
The 29-year-old Kohberger was studying for a Ph.D. in criminology at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, at the time of the murders. The school is just a 10-minute drive from the crime scene on the edge of the University of Idaho campus in Moscow, Idaho, just across the state line.
Kohberger is accused of entering an off-campus rental home around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13, 2022, and massacring four students inside with a large knife.
The victims were Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.
Police found a Ka-Bar knife sheath under Mogen's body that they later alleged in court documents had Kohberger's DNA on it. Investigators have also alleged that phone data and surveillance video placed Kohberger in the victims' neighborhood around the time of the murders.
His defense countered in court filings that he was out for a casual drive "as he often did to hike and run and/or see the moon and stars."
Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, has previously criticized Kohberger's ability to dress up in court, which he said is just part of a series of "unprecedented" pretrial privileges the defendant was granted in Latah County.
Goncalves told Fox News Digital last year that he tried to find out who paid for the suits and get other information about the defense budget through a public records request, but it was denied under a gag order on the case.
"They won't tell us," he said. "But I witnessed the moment they agreed not to handcuff him in court."
FOLLOW THE FOX TRUE CRIME TEAM ON X
Kohberger is facing four charges of first-degree murder and another of felony burglary.
He could face the death penalty if convicted.
The defense is trying to have it taken off the table.
A judge entered not guilty pleas on his behalf at his arraignment in May 2023. The trial has already been delayed and is expected to begin in June 2025.
There are legal reasons why Bryan is allowed to wear a suit in pre trial hearings vs Richard Allen from the Delphi case.
Justhereforthedrama
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I agree with the defence, wearing an orange jumpsuit undoubtedly seeds certain impressions with people viewing him. I dont see why he cant wear a suit.Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger asks new judge for courthouse wardrobe exception
Bryan Kohberger has a new judge in Ada County after change of venue
By Michael Ruiz Fox News
Published September 24, 2024 9:58am EDT
Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger asks new judge for courthouse wardrobe exception
Lawyers for University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect say wearing "street clothes" in court will reduce "potential for prejudice" against Bryan Kohberger.
Lawyers for criminology Ph.D. student Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho undergrads in a 4 a.m. home invasion attack, have asked the new judge overseeing his case to let him wear "street clothing" rather than a jailhouse jumpsuit to court.
After making his first couple of appearances in an orange Latah County Jail uniform in January 2023, Kohberger has been wearing suits to court.
Now that proceedings have been moved to Ada County following a successful motion for a change of venue, his defense is asking the new judge, Steven Hippler, to allow him to continue dressing up, which they wrote in court documents would protect his right to a fair trial.
Authorizing Mr. Kohberger to wear street clothing to all public hearings is one way to reduce potential for prejudice," defense attorney Anne Taylor wrote.
Taylor cited a 1976 Supreme Court decision that found forcing a defendant to wear a jail uniform to court could negatively impact the person's presumption of innocence.
The same defense team also successfully argued to have news cameras removed from the proceedings, severely restricting the media's ability to photograph their client, regardless of what he wears.
She also took issue with media coverage of her client's new mugshot, taken last week after his transfer to Ada County custody.
The 29-year-old Kohberger was studying for a Ph.D. in criminology at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, at the time of the murders. The school is just a 10-minute drive from the crime scene on the edge of the University of Idaho campus in Moscow, Idaho, just across the state line.
Kohberger is accused of entering an off-campus rental home around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13, 2022, and massacring four students inside with a large knife.
The victims were Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.
Police found a Ka-Bar knife sheath under Mogen's body that they later alleged in court documents had Kohberger's DNA on it. Investigators have also alleged that phone data and surveillance video placed Kohberger in the victims' neighborhood around the time of the murders.
His defense countered in court filings that he was out for a casual drive "as he often did to hike and run and/or see the moon and stars."
Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, has previously criticized Kohberger's ability to dress up in court, which he said is just part of a series of "unprecedented" pretrial privileges the defendant was granted in Latah County.
Goncalves told Fox News Digital last year that he tried to find out who paid for the suits and get other information about the defense budget through a public records request, but it was denied under a gag order on the case.
"They won't tell us," he said. "But I witnessed the moment they agreed not to handcuff him in court."
FOLLOW THE FOX TRUE CRIME TEAM ON X
Kohberger is facing four charges of first-degree murder and another of felony burglary.
He could face the death penalty if convicted.
The defense is trying to have it taken off the table.
A judge entered not guilty pleas on his behalf at his arraignment in May 2023. The trial has already been delayed and is expected to begin in June 2025.
There are legal reasons why Bryan is allowed to wear a suit in pre trial hearings vs Richard Allen from the Delphi case.
LasVegas702
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I do too.
AimlessShameless
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Me too. I'm of the opinion of innocent until proven guilty, and the jumpsuit would be unconscious bias. (Or conscious bias in the case of most of the media).
LasVegas702
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Oh I see now, I may be wrong but based on Brian Entin's tweets it sounds like during the hearing this Thursday the defense team with argue that Bryan should be able to wear a suit for all public hearings and also since there has been no ruling from the judge on this motion
thegirlscout
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a defendant wearing a jumpsuit in court for a trial unless they were already serving a sentence.
Nottonightbabe
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Yes it's usually standard for them to be in normal clothes isn't it?
Tryger88
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From a little look up it is possible but not sure.