The Jury Murder Trial - Channel 4

[Jelly Bean]

I don't understand why so many of them are bending over backwards to say 'he's a nice guy'.
He hit his wife in the face three times with hammer. How the hell is that 'nice'?

 

[Rosie glow]

I wish Ricky and that boggley eyed woman would just shut up and let others speak jumping down everyone's throats that don't agree with them

 

[Ginnyjo]

I don't understand why so many of them are bending over backwards to say 'he's a nice guy'.
He hit his wife in the face three times with hammer. How the hell is that 'nice'?

Even if he was 'nice' nice people still do tit stuff like murder, does not mean he gets a pass, I'm boggled at how many are putting themselves in his shoes, but not hers, our society is fucked in the head.

 

[Jelly Bean]

They're arguing over 'oh but he definitely loved her' so it's manslaughter.
Who cares if he loved her or not? He still killed her. Whatever his motives. Even if he is pushed 'to boiling point'. It's no excuse. She didn't murder him.
Oh for fucks sake - Ricky 'a trigger point for me would be the spitting'. Oh yes murder someone because they spat at you.

 

[Ensay]

Um no, what John says aren't "the facts of the case". What's she on about?

 

[Jelly Bean]

Um no, what John says aren't "the facts of the case". What's she on about?

It's so frustrating isn't it?
John is obviously so honest and such a nice guy. Oh aside from murdering his semi conscious defenceless wife Whose crime appeared to be spitting at him and moving his stuff from the bathroom.

 

[thegreencow]

I don't get how the juries aren't suspicious. Surely at some point the legal teams/judge will have to looks at each one to speak to them and they must question why their heads are pointed/turning away from them etc.

I think some of the ladies have eyes for John and are a bit blinded by love.

 

[Ensay]

It's so frustrating isn't it?
John is obviously so honest and such a nice guy. Oh aside from murdering his semi conscious defenceless wife Whose crime appeared to be spitting at him and moving his stuff from the bathroom.

Yeah it may change but so far, not many of them are looking at the evidence, they're using emotion and what they *think* John was like.

 

[Rosie glow]

I'm totally fed up of hearing he's a nice guy how the hell do they know what he was like especially behind closed doors
Oh but he just lost it I'm sure alot of us have lost it at some point but we walk away not bludgeon someone to death

 

[Popcornshovel]

It's so frustrating isn't it?
John is obviously so honest and such a nice guy. Oh aside from murdering his semi conscious defenceless wife Whose crime appeared to be spitting at him and moving his stuff from the bathroom.

And don't forget breaking those 3 plates! And calling him fat (which reduced one of the jurors to tears).

 

[Ensay]

It's so worrying because it's showing that one strong personality can potentially sway the majority of a room and then you fall into groupthink.

 

[Rosie glow]

Cheering like they've won a competition grow up

 

[Prinnywoo]

The well dones when someone converted to one of the other juror’s opinions was disturbing. It not a game and there’s no prizes at the end.

The fact that loss of control was brought in as a defence for primarily women suffering domestic abuse, and is now being used by a man to defend himself for a domestic murder is sickening. Violence against women is rife and a lot of the characters and views in this are clearly why. A family member of mine committed suicide due to domestic abuse because she couldn’t see any other way out, but if she had gone the other way and harmed him I think I could have understood a loss of control defence.

Name calling, spitting and smashing plates does not justify killing someone in the moment. He was not in fear for his life, he was not unable to walk away, being angered by something does not give you the right to kill someone and that was not the response of a reasonable person. He was conscious of her changing colour, and still had the wits about him to choose to leave, get a hammer and inflict further fatal harm. He was seen by the other male on the farm and nothing suggests his demeanour was so out of character that he was not in control of himself. I haven’t heard any arguments for manslaughter that aren’t based on misogyny or “oh but he doesn’t look like a murderer/he seems nice”.

 

[Restless Native]

Kelly looks familiar. Like she's been on something else

 

[Ensay]

Eww "get in there!" Like they've won a football match.

 

[Popcornshovel]

The well dones when someone converted to one of the other juror’s opinions was disturbing. It not a game and there’s no prizes at the end.

The fact that loss of control was brought in as a defence for primarily women suffering domestic abuse, and is now being used by a man to defend himself for a domestic murder is sickening. Violence against women is rife and a lot of the characters and views in this are clearly why. A family member of mine committed suicide due to domestic abuse because she couldn’t see any other way out, but if she had gone the other way and harmed him I think I could have understood a loss of control defence.

Name calling, spitting and smashing plates does not justify killing someone in the moment. He was not in fear for his life, he was not unable to walk away, being angered by something does not give you the right to kill someone and that was not the response of a reasonable person. He was conscious of her changing colour, and still had the wits about him to choose to leave, get a hammer and inflict further fatal harm. He was seen by the other male on the farm and nothing suggests his demeanour was so out of character that he was not in control of himself. I haven’t heard any arguments for manslaughter that aren’t based on misogyny or “oh but he doesn’t look like a murderer/he seems nice”.

There's not been as much discussion as I would have expected about the length of time it must have taken to kill her, or him strangling her and then walking off to get the hammer. To me that would be central to the murder/manslaughter argument.

 

[Rosie glow]

I can't believe the red jury have let Ricky manipulate them in to changing their minds

 

[Prinnywoo]

There's not been as much discussion about the length of time it must have taken to kill her, or him strangling her and then walking off to get the hammer. To me that would be central to the murder/manslaughter argument.

I do wonder about the editing of the show, obviously when squeezing 6 days into a few hours a lot has been cut and they will have chosen a specific angle.

 

[Ensay]

Yeah no one seems to have said the hammer likely wasn't in the dining room. He went to get it... and that was after strangling her till she turned purple. It was too long and too deliberate to be loss of control.

 

[Shinythings]

Kelly looks familiar. Like she's been on something else

I thought the same.

I just cannot believe people have come to a verdict of manslaughter because he looks kind and loved her