Teen Mom young & pregnant #41

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Here2BNosey said:
It's such a sad situation that Laura is in, she has been fully manipulated into it by Morgan the abuser.

However reading these threads is quite difficult when people say the kids are nothing to do with Morgan. Truth of the situation is that legally she is there parent as much as Laura is, she is on their birth certificate as the other parent and has PR. While they may not biologically be hers, biology doesn't always make a parent and some of the comments come off as homophones. Whilst I do understand the strength of feeling because it's Morgan and she is absolutely vile and doesn't deserve those kids, nor did she deserve Laura. It could come across as very hurtful to any same sex couples with children the way it completely devalues their parental role. There are also adoptive parents who although don't share biological ties to their children are fantastic parents non the less. Like I say I can totally understand why the comments are been made and in THIS particular scenario I do obviously agree but generally it makes me feel uncomfortable with the tone of some of them.

I feel desperately sad for Laura, she has allowed Morgan to manipulate her into a situation where she has completely lost control and lost her children. I don't believe the shade been thrown at Laura, Morgan is just a bully and is using those children as another way to hurt Laura. Honestly she gives me Savannah Brockhill vibes. I hope Laura manages to find away to get them back and move on with her life with Morgan firmly at arms length.
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What I meant when I mentioned it before is because they didn’t use a licensed clinic to conceive it can become tricky for Morgan if anything went to court, regardless of birth certificate. but then I was reminded they married so I don’t know if it changed anything. The whole thing hurts my head and was so dodgy, I actually know someone who used donated sperm off Facebook too and the woman tried to have the father removed off the BC stating he wasn’t the bio father! And because they used a dodgy Facebook donation he didn’t have a leg to stand on.
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tftrc said:
What I meant when I mentioned it before is because they didn’t use a licensed clinic to conceive it can become tricky for Morgan if anything went to court, regardless of birth certificate. but then I was reminded they married so I don’t know if it changed anything. The whole thing hurts my head and was so dodgy, I actually know someone who used donated sperm off Facebook too😳
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Birth certificate gives a father rights so I would assume it also does with same sex couples?
Its crazy thinking about how easy it is to register the birth and say anyone is the father/2nd parent
 
Leo100 said:
Birth certificate gives a father rights so I would assume it also does with same sex couples?
Its crazy thinking about how easy it is to register the birth and say anyone is the father/2nd parent
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It’s fraud to put anyone as the second parent
 
It’s also provable with a paternity test. It’s more grey with same sex couples/sperm donation. Mybudgethome explained the steps they’d done when conceiving to both become baby’s legal mother, and not one involved Facebook or a turkey baster surprisingly enough 🙈
 
tftrc said:
What I meant when I mentioned it before is because they didn’t use a licensed clinic to conceive it can become tricky for Morgan if anything went to court, regardless of birth certificate. but then I was reminded they married so I don’t know if it changed anything. The whole thing hurts my head and was so dodgy, I actually know someone who used donated sperm off Facebook too and the woman tried to have the father removed off the BC stating he wasn’t the bio father! And because they used a dodgy Facebook donation he didn’t have a leg to stand on.
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That's actually really interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if there is anything Laura could do about it.
 
Honestly at this point if I was Laura the gloves would be off and I would take it to court somehow and base my case on the fact I was groomed and coerced into using a donor on Facebook by Morgan and then was further coerced into naming Morgan on the birth certificate when in actual fact she is not a parent to either kids. None of it would be lie’s realistically. Laura needs to gather as much evidence of any of the abuse asap. That rat Morgan needs taking down, nasty piece of tit! I am all for same sex couples having babies together but just can’t get behind Morgan being their parent at all, those babies need to be returned to their mummy 😕
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I honestly hope my comments haven’t came across as homophobic as I genuinely do support same sex couples having a family and would value both parents as exactly that - parents. However Morgan quite clearly coerced Laura into using a fb donor and I don’t view her as a parent whatsoever in this case. As someone else said, I get savannah brockill vibes from her
 
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To be fair I don’t think anyone is consciously being homophobic but any comments about Laura being the default parent as she’s the biological parent do come across as offensive. But I think it’s just because everyone hates Morgan so much (rightfully so) 🤣 we are all angry on Laura’s behalf!
 
I 100% believe that same sex couples are both parents equally. However in this situation, none of it was done properly, a donor was bought off Facebook, they weren’t married when they “conceived” yet Morgan was still allowed to be put down as a parent. It’s just weird to me, however she has been there from the start and that is what makes a parent. BUT keeping your kids from their own mother without an actual reason is spiteful and harmful to the children. Morgan is vile and I can’t imagine her being a good parent to them kids, we all saw on the show that she has a short fuse, god knows how she acts with them. I hope Laura gets this sorted asap
 
stampystamp said:
To be fair I don’t think anyone is consciously being homophobic but any comments about Laura being the default parent as she’s the biological parent do come across as offensive. But I think it’s just because everyone hates Morgan so much (rightfully so) 🤣 we are all angry on Laura’s behalf!
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It’s not offensive - the government website literally says it’s the law from my screenshot earlier and this also applies to heterosexual couples who use dodgy sperm donors. The whole situation for Laura is a complete mess I really hope she gets it all sorted
 
tftrc said:
It’s not offensive - the government website literally says it’s the law from my screenshot earlier and this also applies to heterosexual couples who use dodgy sperm donors. The whole situation for Laura is a complete mess I really hope she gets it all sorted
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I wasn’t talking about your comments - there have been others going on for months since they broke up. Regardless of the law, what we think of Morgan, Morgan is who those children consider a parent. She has raised them. Do I like her? No. Do I think she’s still those children’s parent? Yes.
 
I’m bisexual so definitely not homophonic 🤣 and I absolutely would fight to the death for the rights of same sex couples to be parents but there’s reasons why these laws exist and why you shouldn’t go paying £50 for a Facebook donor so if years down the line you split you won’t have to face these issues. The whole thing regardless of their sex just screams kids having kids
 
no one take this the wrong way please I have a lot of friends who are homosexual. But realistically speaking biologically Morgan isn’t the kids parent. Laura is it’s her dna in them. Not only that it wasn’t done through a clinic.

Now before people saying about oh but dads don’t stop being parents when they split no because that’s their dna in them too they both created the child but Laura created those kids with someone else.

also this isn’t me saying same sex couples the none carrying parent isn’t a parent I’m not because most do it the right and legal way, where as these two haven’t they did it the dodgy way. But biologically the none carrying parent isn’t biologically that child’s parent. No hate I’m just stating facts that’s just how science works. But when you do it through a clinic and all that jazz legally they are

I don’t think Morgan would have a foot to stand on in court, it wasn’t done right, Morgan isn’t biologically the mother, Laura is, that’s science at the end of the day. Morgan biologically is not those kids parent, Laura and the sperm donor are. Morgan has parental rights to the kids because they’re on the birth certificate, but even then I don’t feel that’s 100% valid because that registrar really wasn’t comfortable putting Morgan on the certificate.

I feel with Morgan’s abuse caught on the show and god knows what evidence Laura has, the fact things weren’t through a clinic I feel there’s a high chance they could strip Morgan of her parental rights she’s using those kids as a weapon.

i think it’s already in court because neither of them will say what’s going on now those two have been known to air their dirty laundry but something this big is all quiet, my partners currently in court fighting for access to his child and while court is ongoing you legally are not allowed to make anything going on in court including the situation public knowledge or you’ll be contempt of a court order. So none of them are saying anything about what’s happened or happening I don’t think they’d be so quiet on something like this.

I hope court take Morgan off or Laura can have her rights removed Morgan is a manipulative narcissist and growing up with one as my mother myself they are damaging parents they destroy your self esteem and self confidence you question every decision you make.
 
chaniikinns said:
no one take this the wrong way please I have a lot of friends who are homosexual. But realistically speaking biologically Morgan isn’t the kids parent. Laura is it’s her dna in them. Not only that it wasn’t done through a clinic.

Now before people saying about oh but dads don’t stop being parents when they split no because that’s their dna in them too they both created the child but Laura created those kids with someone else.

also this isn’t me saying same sex couples the none carrying parent isn’t a parent I’m not because most do it the right and legal way, where as these two haven’t they did it the dodgy way. But biologically the none carrying parent isn’t biologically that child’s parent. No hate I’m just stating facts that’s just how science works. But when you do it through a clinic and all that jazz legally they are

I don’t think Morgan would have a foot to stand on in court, it wasn’t done right, Morgan isn’t biologically the mother, Laura is, that’s science at the end of the day. Morgan biologically is not those kids parent, Laura and the sperm donor are. Morgan has parental rights to the kids because they’re on the birth certificate, but even then I don’t feel that’s 100% valid because that registrar really wasn’t comfortable putting Morgan on the certificate.

I feel with Morgan’s abuse caught on the show and god knows what evidence Laura has, the fact things weren’t through a clinic I feel there’s a high chance they could strip Morgan of her parental rights she’s using those kids as a weapon.

i think it’s already in court because neither of them will say what’s going on now those two have been known to air their dirty laundry but something this big is all quiet, my partners currently in court fighting for access to his child and while court is ongoing you legally are not allowed to make anything going on in court including the situation public knowledge or you’ll be contempt of a court order. So none of them are saying anything about what’s happened or happening I don’t think they’d be so quiet on something like this.

I hope court take Morgan off or Laura can have her rights removed Morgan is a manipulative narcissist and growing up with one as my mother myself they are damaging parents they destroy your self esteem and self confidence you question every decision you make.
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I agree 100% with everything you just said
 
I think the way it was done was REALLY stupid but Morgan has been in those kids lives since birth…. Are people honestly saying she isn’t a “real” parent to those kids because it wasn’t done in the correct legal way??? Morgan in no way should be keeping the children from Laura and she is 1000% wrong for that but Laura would also be 1000% wrong to keep the kids from someone who has a parent to them for their entire lives. I’m not debating the legality - that is dodgy AF but morally those children are still Morgan’s.
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chaniikinns said:
Like I said that’s just science two women and two men cannot create a child you need a male and female. I believe in these situations the bio parent will always be default parent
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So if a child has a deadbeat father who doesn’t bother for 18 years but then turns up they are more of a parent than someone who has raised that child for those 18 years?

Or let’s use another Teen Mom example - should Carly be returned to Caitlin and Tyler as they were clearly manipulated while vulnerable into giving up their child? Are Carly’s adopted parents not her “real” parents despite the fact they have raised her for 13 years?
 
stampystamp said:
I think the way it was done was REALLY stupid but Morgan has been in those kids lives since birth…. Are people honestly saying she isn’t a “real” parent to those kids because it wasn’t done in the correct legal way??? Morgan in no way should be keeping the children from Laura and she is 1000% wrong for that but Laura would also be 1000% wrong to keep the kids from someone who has a parent to them for their entire lives. I’m not debating the legality - that is dodgy AF but morally those children are still Morgan’s.
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So if a child has a deadbeat father who doesn’t bother for 18 years but then turns up they are more of a parent than someone who has raised that child for those 18 years?

Or let’s use another Teen Mom example - should Carly be returned to Caitlin and Tyler as they were clearly manipulated while vulnerable into giving up their child? Are Carly’s adopted parents not her “real” parents despite the fact they have raised her for 13 years?
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Legally yes and biologically, Morgan has no dna to them and if this goes to court probably won’t have rights as it wasn’t done the right way. My child’s dad hasn’t had anything to do with her from the day I found out I was pregnant but biologically he is her father. My partner has raised her like his own but we all know he isn’t her dad and my child will know that when

You look at my post the wrong way completely. I go off of science. Most step parents get rights to their step children because they are given them by court by signing a court order.

and no biologically Carly’s adoptive parents aren’t her real parents there that ADOPTIVE they don’t create her and they didn’t use a surrogate with their own dna to have her. Cate and ty are Carly’s real parents and at 18 it’s entirely Carly’s choice weather she chooses to stay with her adoptive parents or return to her biological parents like it is for every adoptive child when they turn 18.

the fact and truth of the matter is Morgan BIOLOGICALLY isn’t those children’s parents, she just has parental rights. That’s just how science works. Morgan needs to be out of those kids lives before she damages them mentally too like she has done with Laura, Morgan is using them as a weapon and emotionally manipulating the kids and Laura, she’s emotionally abusing the kids keeping them away from their mother. If she had even an ounce of care or decency they children would be with with Laura who they have always been with and who is biologically their mother but instead she’s alienating Laura and playing happy families with the new girlfriend
 
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