Strictly Come Dancing 2021 #20

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Libbub said:
I love AJ and Kai but I do think sometimes the pro's push their partners too hard, last night I thought she looked tired and she just couldn't do the lift at the end. Chucking everything at it is risky and a big ask. It didn't work out this time. I agree with someone else tho who said J and J didn't get marked down for their gaff at the end but AJ and Kai did! For me it doesn't matter who's fault it is, you mess up you mess up! The judges will turn a blind eye if it suits them.
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I agree the dance had too much in it. I felt they were pushed into more risk because they have been undermarked so much. They then both pushed their bodies too much in the week and were really in pain ( looking at their insta stories all week) . They had outside choreographers for this dance, who should have realised and made adjustments. What they got right looked good though.

Sea said:
Pmsl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


I find it cringey when the male dancers do the booty shake, no matter how talented they are, it just looks naff
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Oh no, I disagree! They can shake their booty as much as they like, if it’s a good looking one ( Jake, Kelvin, John and Danny!)
 
MidCenturyMadOne said:
I agree the dance had too much in it. I felt they were pushed into more risk because they have been undermarked so much. They then both pushed their bodies too much in the week and were really in pain ( looking at their insta stories all week) . They had outside choreographers for this dance, who should have realised and made adjustments. What they got right looked good though.
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Which of her dances do you think she was undermarked in? I thought she 100% deserved a 40 for her Charleston but she got 39 (and a 10 from Craig is still quite rare). She’s scored consistently high I think, and rightly so
 
LowCalCalzoneZone said:
I wasn't keen on Rose's lift personally, but Gio was very clever to make such a big deal of it - even though Rose danced well, that routine needed a talking point that showed her off and got her lots of praise because it might have been a bit forgettable otherwise
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Yeah, I didn't like it much, it looked like Rose was charging at him, and I thought she'd hit the floor the first time! but you're right, he was clever to big it up, as otherwise it was a very charming and lovely AS but maybe not that memorable.

Flavia is on BBC Breakfast now - I wish she'd go back to the short hair, and why does she wear long dresses with pilgrim collars?? is this her new rural persona?
She's saying AJ had too many lifts - too tiring to rehearse, even for the pros, which was interesting.
 
LennyBriscoe said:
I posted an article a few months ago where Chris Kamara said he’d been training with his partner for 6 weeks before the show but then had to pull out for health reasons.

It’s a lot more contrived now - the one thing that really rips my husband’s knitting is in the VT when the contestant has to pretend it’s the first time they’re learning what dance they’re doing - he gets disproportionately annoyed by it 😂
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I just hope Chris Kamara was going to dance with Janette, though it's a shame we never got Kamara-Manrara.
 
soccergirl said:
Yeah, I didn't like it much, it looked like Rose was charging at him, and I thought she'd hit the floor the first time! but you're right, he was clever to big it up, as otherwise it was a very charming and lovely AS but maybe not that memorable.

Flavia is on BBC Breakfast now she’s saying AJ had too many lifts - too tiring to rehearse, even for the pros, which was interesting.
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Based on her Samba, I thought there was too much put on her in the Salsa. Maybe they thought she could handle it because she’s so good, maybe it’s because it’s so close to the final and it’s a tough year or maybe there was the pressure of John and JoJo doing a salsa - whatever it was, it really went wrong and it was probably inevitable given she looked exhausted from the off
 
LennyBriscoe said:
Based on her Samba, I thought there was too much put on her in the Salsa. Maybe they thought she could handle it because she’s so good, maybe it’s because it’s so close to the final and it’s a tough year or maybe there was the pressure of John and JoJo doing a salsa - whatever it was, it really went wrong and it was probably inevitable given she looked exhausted from the off
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I've read people saying that due to her not getting a 40 yet they maybe felt they had to up the ante. But chucking in more lifts doesn't really help as they alone are not going to get you high marks and have high risk. I just don't think AJ's Latin is that good. I know external people helped choreograph that, but you can bet your bottom dollar Gio would have overruled them if it was for Rose.
 
soccergirl said:
I've read people saying that due to her not getting a 40 yet they maybe felt they had to up the ante. But chucking in more lifts doesn't really help as they alone are not going to get you high marks and have high risk. I just don't think AJ's Latin is that good. I know external people helped choreograph that, but you can bet your bottom dollar Gio would have overruled them if it was for Rose.
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I think you’re right, and as someone said last night (sorry I can’t remember who it was), Kai is still the new guy and maybe didn’t feel like he could speak up.

Her ballroom has been fab and her Latin hasn’t been up to the same standard which is perfectly fine, but because there’s such a high standard, I think folk forget that she has no previous dance experience so are that bit more critical of her
 
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I thought everyone made a huge deal over AJ’s mistake over the lift. Yes she messed up but even Kai appeared to be going wtf right after. I felt he should have shown more support. Agree with whoever said too many lifts and not enough dancing. The judges need something to mark you on.
 
[I am not surprised AJ was in the bottom two. It was a messy dance and she did look tired and stiff in places. I think if Rhys hadn’t been as good it would have been a Dan/Rhys dance off. We got the result we wanted though Dan gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Shirley voted to save him
 
soccergirl said:
I've read people saying that due to her not getting a 40 yet they maybe felt they had to up the ante. But chucking in more lifts doesn't really help as they alone are not going to get you high marks and have high risk. I just don't think AJ's Latin is that good. I know external people helped choreograph that, but you can bet your bottom dollar Gio would have overruled them if it was for Rose.
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This is what it comes down to in the end. If you watch for her timing and the way she finishes (or sometimes doesn't finish) her moves in Latin, none of it is quite right. She has a bloody good go at it but her salsa was much like her samba - pretty messy, doesn't flow and you can tell she's not comfortable doing it.

Though I do think a lot of the problem last night was the routine. No need for the kitchen sink to be chucked at it when they could have just choreographed something that showed her strength and progression in Latin rather than having all those lifts. Salsa doesn't need to be playing keepy-uppy with your partner, FFS.
 
Ocupus5 said:
[I am not surprised AJ was in the bottom two. It was a messy dance and she did look tired and stiff in places. I think if Rhys hadn’t been as good it would have been a Dan/Rhys dance off. We got the result we wanted though Dan gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Shirley voted to save him
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She didn’t! According to a spoiled group on FB it was unanimous.
 
Fillyjonk said:
This is what it comes down to in the end. If you watch for her timing and the way she finishes (or sometimes doesn't finish) her moves in Latin, none of it is quite right. She has a bloody good go at it but her salsa was much like her samba - pretty messy, doesn't flow and you can tell she's not comfortable doing it.

Though I do think a lot of the problem last night was the routine. No need for the kitchen sink to be chucked at it when they could have just choreographed something that showed her strength and progression in Latin rather than having all those lifts. Salsa doesn't need to be playing keepy-uppy with your partner, FFS.
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I too felt that this was the main problem with it. If they'd removed some of those lifts, they could have spent more time perfecting the rest of the routine. Nothing wrong with just some basic salsa!
 
LennyBriscoe said:
I rewatched their AT and I personally think 35 was a fair score and I think John and JoJo were overmarked for theirs (they were probably on par imo)

I don’t think she was undermarked for her couple‘s choice either, I expected much more and think she struggled last week too
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I don't remember AJ's AT but 35 is a pretty good score, especially if she did it earlier on in the competition. Re the boys, I didn't think J&J's AT was overmarked until I watched Rhys' last night which got the same score but IMO, had more content.

I agree about her CC - again, her landings and transitions were the problem. Similar case of too many lifts. I just don't think she works well with a faster tempo - she's a beautifully elegant dancer and by far the best ballroom dancer in the competition.
 
Sea said:
Don't need show dances until the final. I actually like a traditional dance which is perfect rather than bang wham whallop and average
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Yeah, I think the problem is also: where do you go in the final for a showdance, when we've already seen all the lifts?
I'm a bit surprised, given the chemistry AJ and Kai have, that they didn't do a more classic salsa as some have said, and rely on their chemistry.
Something like Matt and Flavia's would have been good (sharing to enjoy Flavia's fantastic hair again). Matt wasn't the best dancer in the comp, but he was easily able to pull this off, and their chemistry shone through

 
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