I don’t know how many times it needs to be pointed out that this is happening because the tories underfunded the criminal justice system and failed to create enough prison spaces. 14 years is enough time to do this. A few months is not
Sir Keir Starmer #2
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She was a carer for a few years.
Now getting a better job is ‘grifting’
Theodore
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£500 million boost to create thousands of new prison places
New houseblocks to be built at 6 prisons - accommodating more than 2,200 prisoners.
Of course it’s never going to be enough because scum continues to commit crime. Having said that Starmer might have done better by not banging up idiots for saying nasty things on Facebook instead of releasing violent criminals. Also, get single occupancy cells in the bin and get some bunk beds in. The scum can have someone to chat with while they’re doing their drugs.
I guess the issue is WHICH prisoners are being let out early. Seeing as they are now handing out prison sentences for offensive tweets or for misgendering etc, this is what they are making room in the prisons for? Letting out rapists to incarcerate people whose crime was to mistakenly believe they had a right to free speech.
I agree the prison service needed reform and the Tories didn’t do enough, but if there aren’t enough spaces…then it means prioritising, violent criminals shouldn’t be let out early to replace their cell space with people who haven’t physically harmed anyone.
On the subject of social housing, it’s a disgrace. The government don’t hold social landlords to the same standards as private landlords, I have seen some appalling conditions in social housing (I can’t say more as I may identify myself and my job). What the local council has done here is outsourced all their original social housing to another provider. They have then gone through a process of using government funding to knock down and rebuild whole estates…with a mix of tenures…meaning that the social housing which is for rent only (so not part buy or private) is minimised and essentially being obliterated.
There are other estates which are earmarked for the same treatment, people moved out of estates being demolished are then transfered to places that will be demolished within a few years and have to move again. Due to problems with funding…this has also been delayed…but because they don’t want to spend money on blocks of flats due to be demolished…they allow them to fall into serious disrepair. There are social housing tenants here dealing with serious damp issues, ceilings falling down, all types of serious property neglect…in this case the majority of it isn’t caused by tenant behaviour…yet the social housing providers aren’t forced to provide a decent level of service.
They also are allowed to mark whole blocks as ‘sensitive’, which means that any tenant with a history of antisocial behaviour, drugs, alcohol etc is excluded from the new blocks or housing estates…they get housed in the sink estate housing. The whole premise of mixed tenure is to spread these people out and make them aspire to live in a civilised manner. Regeneration is supposed to get rid of the old issues of multiple generations of families (some of which are antisocial or criminals) taking over neighbourhood patches. Even the social housing providers are now socially cleansing in order to push this idea that mixed tenure works. It doesn’t, the main question that gets asked in sales offices is where is the social housing because people buying don’t want to be in a mid-terrace with social tenants either side. They are now pushing the idea of blind tenure, which is just hiding the info from buyers, as a way around it.
The old/current government also has done nothing about estate rentcharges. This is where then a new estate is built…green spaces or play parks aren’t transfered to the council with a commuted sum from the developer for maintence. They don’t transfer them because they aren’t up to the council’s standards…they then charge a monthly/yearly maintenance fee to all the householders on the estate to provide that maintenance. So social housing tenants are now being charged £20 a month on top of their normal rent to maintain public open spaces (these aren’t gated spaces). How is this justified when these properties are supposed to be for people who can’t afford to rent privately, in nearby locations where their council tax pays for maintenance?
I agree the prison service needed reform and the Tories didn’t do enough, but if there aren’t enough spaces…then it means prioritising, violent criminals shouldn’t be let out early to replace their cell space with people who haven’t physically harmed anyone.
On the subject of social housing, it’s a disgrace. The government don’t hold social landlords to the same standards as private landlords, I have seen some appalling conditions in social housing (I can’t say more as I may identify myself and my job). What the local council has done here is outsourced all their original social housing to another provider. They have then gone through a process of using government funding to knock down and rebuild whole estates…with a mix of tenures…meaning that the social housing which is for rent only (so not part buy or private) is minimised and essentially being obliterated.
There are other estates which are earmarked for the same treatment, people moved out of estates being demolished are then transfered to places that will be demolished within a few years and have to move again. Due to problems with funding…this has also been delayed…but because they don’t want to spend money on blocks of flats due to be demolished…they allow them to fall into serious disrepair. There are social housing tenants here dealing with serious damp issues, ceilings falling down, all types of serious property neglect…in this case the majority of it isn’t caused by tenant behaviour…yet the social housing providers aren’t forced to provide a decent level of service.
They also are allowed to mark whole blocks as ‘sensitive’, which means that any tenant with a history of antisocial behaviour, drugs, alcohol etc is excluded from the new blocks or housing estates…they get housed in the sink estate housing. The whole premise of mixed tenure is to spread these people out and make them aspire to live in a civilised manner. Regeneration is supposed to get rid of the old issues of multiple generations of families (some of which are antisocial or criminals) taking over neighbourhood patches. Even the social housing providers are now socially cleansing in order to push this idea that mixed tenure works. It doesn’t, the main question that gets asked in sales offices is where is the social housing because people buying don’t want to be in a mid-terrace with social tenants either side. They are now pushing the idea of blind tenure, which is just hiding the info from buyers, as a way around it.
The old/current government also has done nothing about estate rentcharges. This is where then a new estate is built…green spaces or play parks aren’t transfered to the council with a commuted sum from the developer for maintence. They don’t transfer them because they aren’t up to the council’s standards…they then charge a monthly/yearly maintenance fee to all the householders on the estate to provide that maintenance. So social housing tenants are now being charged £20 a month on top of their normal rent to maintain public open spaces (these aren’t gated spaces). How is this justified when these properties are supposed to be for people who can’t afford to rent privately, in nearby locations where their council tax pays for maintenance?
Picklelily
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There is a vast difference between releasing someone for a petty crime and releasing someone who is classed as that violent that there was a direct correlation between him being imprisoned and serious crime dropping in the area.
HelloStereo
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Is there a news source about this?
Picklelily
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Drill rapper Young Dizz who kidnapped and tortured schoolboy freed early by Starmer
Police say ‘direct correlation’ between drill rapper being locked up and drop in serious violence
www.telegraph.co.uk
There’s been posts by shadesborough and other sources too. There have been debates as to how much time he was serving I’ve seen anywhere from 12-23 years mentioned
HelloStereo
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Drill rapper Young Dizz who kidnapped and tortured schoolboy freed early by Starmer
Police say ‘direct correlation’ between drill rapper being locked up and drop in serious violence
There’s been posts by shadesborough and other sources too. There have been debates as to how much time he was serving I’ve seen anywhere from 12-23 years mentioned
It looks like under the old scheme he would have been released on Nov 4th which isn't much better is it? You're not significantly more dangerous to society because you were released a fortnight earlier than you were meant to be.
£500 million boost to create thousands of new prison places
New houseblocks to be built at 6 prisons - accommodating more than 2,200 prisoners.www.gov.uk
Of course it’s never going to be enough because scum continues to commit crime. Having said that Starmer might have done better by not banging up idiots for saying nasty things on Facebook instead of releasing violent criminals. Also, get single occupancy cells in the bin and get some bunk beds in. The scum can have someone to chat with while they’re doing their drugs.
Around 10,000 spaces can automatically be created by sending foreign criminals home to serve their sentences.
Our jail capacity was never designed to detain large numbers of criminals from elsewhere.
Miss Begotten
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Well no.
If we send all the current foreign prisoners “home”, then surely there would be a reciprocal arrangement for us to welcome back all the British people currently in prison abroad. So that wouldn’t automatically create anything like 10,000 spaces would it?
HelloStereo
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HelloStereo
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Where did you get the number 1,170? I found here it said a charity supported 1,170 British citizens in prison abroad. But it doesn't say that is the total figure of British prisoners in jails overseas.
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Drop a message if you need a Tennant in the northwest of England! You sound like a brilliant landlord and I'm disgusted by his comments.
Ndrangheta
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Sir Keir really does seem to have gotten himself into a pickle over what 'working people' means. I think this is probably what happens when you put everything through the filter of 'advisors' and 'spin doctors'. 
Ndrangheta
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Shouldn't laugh ...
