Sir Keir Starmer #2

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IngressUK said:
I really wouldn't bother justifying your comment.

There are clearly some on here whom are more than happy to stick the boot into Pensioners. Regardless of their income and wealth.

Funny that many whom are happy to do so, generally have a 'be kind' mentality.

Buying a few items from M&S and Waitrose occasionally is not a sign of 'wealth'.

What they forget is one day they will be old too - and certainly wouldn't appreciate the then younger generation taking the pi** out of them.
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As a senior citizen who is in receipt of a pension ( not a benefit, I worked, paid National INSURANCE for this, I earned it) I would like to apologise for spending it on fripperies like chocolate hobnobs, fresh fruit and 3 for £10 meal deals in M&S.

Henceforth I shall exist on Tesco value thin sliced white bread, one slice for breakfast with a scraping of cheap marg.
A cuppa soup for lunch with a second slice will suffice.
I shall buy those cheap but small meals advertised on tv that get delivered by a kindly driver.
But now I have a problem….do I continue to volunteer at the local hospital?
Then once a week I pick up some elderly old dears with restricted mobility and drive them to a local drop in centre where the get company and free coffee and biscuits.
Both things means I need to spend some of my pension on petrol.

I shall also refuse my free prescriptions and just suffer then pain from my arthritis knowing that I am a selfish old woman and not entitled to any that I have contributed to during my working life
 
Mollywobbles said:
As a senior citizen who is in receipt of a pension ( not a benefit, I worked, paid National INSURANCE for this, I earned it) I would like to apologise for spending it on fripperies like chocolate hobnobs, fresh fruit and 3 for £10 meal deals in M&S.

Henceforth I shall exist on Tesco value thin sliced white bread, one slice for breakfast with a scraping of cheap marg.
A cuppa soup for lunch with a second slice will suffice.
I shall buy those cheap but small meals advertised on tv that get delivered by a kindly driver.
But now I have a problem….do I continue to volunteer at the local hospital?
Then once a week I pick up some elderly old dears with restricted mobility and drive them to a local drop in centre where the get company and free coffee and biscuits.
Both things means I need to spend some of my pension on petrol.

I shall also refuse my free prescriptions and just suffer then pain from my arthritis knowing that I am a selfish old woman and not entitled to any that I have contributed to during my working life
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Then once a week I pick up some elderly old dears with restricted mobility and drive them to a local drop in centre where the get company and free coffee and biscuits . . . means I need to spend some of my pension on petrol.

sense!

Tuck one old dear under each arm, and the third can piggyback and you can trot to the drop in centre without squandering a penny!

You pensioners are so selfish! (I'm 71, BTW - thought I'd better mention that in the absence of a sarcastic font ;))
 
Mollywobbles said:
As a senior citizen who is in receipt of a pension ( not a benefit, I worked, paid National INSURANCE for this, I earned it) I would like to apologise for spending it on fripperies like chocolate hobnobs, fresh fruit and 3 for £10 meal deals in M&S.

Henceforth I shall exist on Tesco value thin sliced white bread, one slice for breakfast with a scraping of cheap marg.
A cuppa soup for lunch with a second slice will suffice.
I shall buy those cheap but small meals advertised on tv that get delivered by a kindly driver.
But now I have a problem….do I continue to volunteer at the local hospital?
Then once a week I pick up some elderly old dears with restricted mobility and drive them to a local drop in centre where the get company and free coffee and biscuits.
Both things means I need to spend some of my pension on petrol.

I shall also refuse my free prescriptions and just suffer then pain from my arthritis knowing that I am a selfish old woman and not entitled to any that I have contributed to during my working life
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Its ok.

I'm not a stupid lefty who demands 'evidence' every single time I hear things i don't want to hear. Whilst on the other hand producing no evidence whatsoever for whatever 'truthful' comments made.

I also do not have some faux superiority complex over 'be kind', with some groups of individuals receiving more 'be kind' than others.

Pensioners clearly being at the very bottom of the list.

Don't forget your 'benefit' (as idiots some still insist) makes you one of the biggest groups of welfare spongers. This, despite the fact, that you have contributed towards it your whole working life.

I would not be surprised in the slightest if many of those moaning about 'rich pensioners' are having their N.I contribution stamp paid for by the rest of us - whilst having the bloody cheek to bemoan others who have actually contributed towards their state and private pensions.

If you are poor through low paying work, or solely/largely relying on the state pension - I have sympathy.

If you are poor through bone idleness - tough tit!

Just to conclude.

Every single person on this thread will grow old. If you choose to exercise nastiness towards the older generation, you may one day find the boot is on the other foot when you are old.
 
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And the sarcastic, snarky use of “Boomers”. So disrespectful. Who do these people think paid for THEIR education and healthcare as a result of being a generation who actually had a work ethic? And without the Baby Boomers, Gen X and Gen Z literally wouldn’t exist.

“Ooh poor me I can’t afford a house the Boomers had it so easy” duck off, get off your arse, cancel your subscriptions and your starbucks habit, consider moving somewhere with cheaper property until you’re on the ladder and most of all stop bleeping crying. You’re boring.
 
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Theodore said:
And the sarcastic, snarky use of “Boomers”. So disrespectful. Who do these people think paid for THEIR education and healthcare as a result of being a generation who actually had a work ethic? And without the Baby Boomers, Gen X and Gen Z literally wouldn’t exist.

“Ooh poor me I can’t afford a house the Boomers had it so easy” duck off, get off your arse, cancel your subscriptions and your starbucks habit, consider moving somewhere with cheaper property until you’re on the ladder and most of all stop bleeping crying. You’re boring.
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Thats such a typical ‘I’m alright Jack’ duck everyone else response. You’ve no clue how hard it is to get a mortgage these days, depending on where you live you need a massive deposit just to get your foot on the ladder, and if by chance you do find a cheap little doer upper somewhere you will probably get gazumped by some flash property developer or landlord who will pay cash up front to add to their portfolio of properties they don’t actually need but want to invest in.

Oh and just to be pedantic what have you erased us millennials? We exist to you know 😂
 
Gym&Tonic said:
Thats such a typical ‘I’m alright Jack’ duck everyone else response. You’ve no clue how hard it is to get a mortgage these days, depending on where you live you need a massive deposit just to get your foot on the ladder, and if by chance you do find a nice little doer upper somewhere you will probably get gazumped by some flash property developer or landlord who will pay cash up front to add to their portfolio of properties they don’t actually need but want to invest in.

Oh and just to be pedantic what have you erased us millennials? We exist to you know 😂
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Been there, done that.
At least 10% of the house price asca
If you were married the mortgage was based on the husband plus a quarter of the wife’s salary.
If you were a single woman, no chance. You might get married, etc….

My first house, I just managed to get it and pay the mortgage.
I had a lodger so,I could afford to pay for the heating and tv licence.
And still had a job in the pub.

Foreign holiday..no chance.
New clothes..nope.
Central heating…couldn’t afford to use it.

so your duck everyone else comment applies more to you than than us
 
Many of our now pensioners are old enough to have lived through the war (some may have had the distressing experience of being evacuated as small children hundreds of miles from home), or post war rationing and deprivation, grew up in homes without electricity, central heating or inside toilets (I know that in some flats on the estate where my mum grew up, families were sharing the one toilet on a landing well into the 60s), limited access to further education - if you failed the 11 plus you were screwed basically, lack of birth control, no legal right to abortion, mortgages being based on the mans salary, massively high interest rates etc. Pretty hard times that as someone born in the 70s I'm glad I never had to experience.

But sure yeah, people are SO much worse off nowadays simply because they can't buy a house in an expensive area 🙄🙄
 
Lalla said:
Many of our now pensioners are old enough to have lived through the war (some may have had the distressing experience of being evacuated as small children hundreds of miles from home), or post war rationing and deprivation, grew up in homes without electricity, central heating or inside toilets (I know that in some flats on the estate where my mum grew up, families were sharing the one toilet on a landing well into the 60s), limited access to further education - if you failed the 11 plus you were screwed basically, lack of birth control, no legal right to abortion, mortgages being based on the mans salary, massively high interest rates etc. Pretty hard times that as someone born in the 70s I'm glad I never had to experience.

But sure yeah, people are SO much worse off nowadays simply because they can't buy a house in an expensive area 🙄🙄
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Aaah, the Good Old Days, how I miss them not.

I am soooooo bored of the serially entitled waxing & waning about how hard it is for them, how they cannot live up to their aspirations mostly set out for them by purveyors of lifestyle porn & designer flimflam. Also weary of the cosseted lefty intellectuals who cluster in my neck of the woods who bang on about the ignorant masses who voted for the Donald over the shimsham Kamala - yeah that’s right many Americans are not super well educated, don’t have passports nor are they enslaved by European snobberies, but they can balance their check books, want their families to work & do well, & can cross several time zones & climate zones without leaving their shores.

Bear in mind that our own ancestors not so many generations back were not well educated nor highly literate yet they worked hard to overcome the social ills & disadvantages through public subscriptions, grass roots democracy & decency towards others - throw in a bit of Methodism & Socialism to speed things along. We have the hard working classes who had to put a basic roof over their heads & enough to eat on the table to thank for basic literacy & education & the many subscription hospitals which were brought into the NHS, & the Welfare Act.

Of course, my potted history is deeply flawed but I am so borrred of people who have so very much without striving whinging about their sorry lot. They are warm & dry, well enough fed (to even be beyond chubby) & can be entertained 24/7 by their essential communication devices.

Before you ask, yes we did live in a matchbox by the side of the sewer but we had self respect 😉
 
DarnIt said:
Aaah, the Good Old Days, how I miss them not.

I am soooooo bored of the serially entitled waxing & waning about how hard it is for them, how they cannot live up to their aspirations mostly set out for them by purveyors of lifestyle porn & designer flimflam. Also weary of the cosseted lefty intellectuals who cluster in my neck of the woods who bang on about the ignorant masses who voted for the Donald over the shimsham Kamala - yeah that’s right many Americans are not super well educated, don’t have passports nor are they enslaved by European snobberies, but they can balance their check books, want their families to work & do well, & can cross several time zones & climate zones without leaving their shores.

Bear in mind that our own ancestors not so many generations back were not well educated nor highly literate yet they worked hard to overcome the social ills & disadvantages through public subscriptions, grass roots democracy & decency towards others - throw in a bit of Methodism & Socialism to speed things along. We have the hard working classes who had to put a basic roof over their heads & enough to eat on the table to thank for basic literacy & education & the many subscription hospitals which were brought into the NHS, & the Welfare Act.

Of course, my potted history is deeply flawed but I am so borrred of people who have so very much without striving whinging about their sorry lot. They are warm & dry, well enough fed (to even be beyond chubby) & can be entertained 24/7 by their essential communication devices.

Before you ask, yes we did live in a matchbox by the side of the sewer but we had self respect 😉
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Bear in mind that our own ancestors not so many generations back were not well educated nor highly literate yet they worked hard to overcome the social ills & disadvantages through public subscriptions, grass roots democracy & decency towards others - throw in a bit of Methodism & Socialism to speed things along. We have the hard working classes who had to put a basic roof over their heads & enough to eat on the table to thank for basic literacy & education & the many subscription hospitals which were brought into the NHS, & the Welfare Act.

Spot on. Working class people got together and supported each other through hard times with the above mentioned hospitals, union funds which supported the families of men who were out of work, and physically rolling up their sleeves and helping people who couldn't help themselves through illness or disability to take care of their children with clothes swapping schemes etc.

They organised libraries and lectures to improve their knowledge.

They did their best to educate their children, making sure that tables and alphabets were learned, homework was done, and that they learned good manners and behaviour as well.

They realised that to achieve anything to improve the lot of the working class they had to take the bosses on at their own game - and they did, gaining power in local councils etc. and using that power to stop people being exploited, to give working people a chance of a decent life, and to build a decent society for people to live in.

This is where the Labour Party - the REAL Labour Party - had its roots. And now look at it.
 
Whilst I have some sympathy towards people unable to get on the housing ladder, having a mealy mouthed pop at pensioners is not the answer, nor the solution going forward.

Their anger should be directed at Governments - both Conservative and Labour - over the last 40 years.

Everything from Thatcher giving the 'right to buy' in the 80's.

Blair opening the border floodgates to all and sundry in the 90's/00's

Rampant inflation under the Conservatives in recent years.

Plus all Governments in that time failing to build enough housing (private and social), reform planning laws adequately, increasing council taxes through the roof and allowing new developments to be built and sold 'off plan' to foreign investors/purchasers.

In the same time, seeing wage growth decline to house price increases - which has played a large contribution towards the overall mess.

For those that still insist everything is 'the Tories fault'...

When the Tories left office n May 1997, the average house price was £58,403.

By the time they Labour left officd in May 2010, the average price had risen to £168,719.

Today, the average stands at £265,012.

(https://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/property-statistics/nationwide-average-house-price/)

So under 13 years of Labour (1997-2010), average prices increased by £110,316

Under the last 14 years of the coalition and Tory Governments - by £96,293

Whether some care to admit it, or not, mass immigration DOES play a big part as to why you are unable to get on the housing ladder.

In your own little bubbles, you still fail to see the knock on effects mass immigration is having on the UK, even when it is hitting you in the face with things like getting on the housing ladder.

You do not get lower prices with high supply and high demand. It only ensures pace is kept with what is required, stabilising prices a bit.

However, it against your ethos to direct the same level of vitriol at them, as you do with all pensioners.

If you want someone to blame, then blame the useless Governments we have had in the country (and propped up by) - of all political colours.
 
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IngressUK said:
Whilst I have some sympathy towards people unable to get on the housing ladder, having a mealy mouthed pop at pensioners is not the answer, nor the solution going forward.

Their anger should be directed at Governments - both Conservative and Labour - over the last 40 years.

Everything from Thatcher giving the 'right to buy' in the 80's.

Blair opening the border floodgates to all and sundry in the 90's/00's

Rampant inflation under the Conservatives in recent years.

Plus all Governments in that time failing to build enough housing (private and social), reform planning laws adequately, increasing council taxes through the roof and allowing new developments to be built and sold 'off plan' to foreign investors/purchasers.

In the same time, seeing wage growth decline to house price increases - which has played a large contribution towards the overall mess.

For those that still insist everything is 'the Tories fault'...

When the Tories left office n May 1997, the average house price was £58,403.

By the time they Labour left officd in May 2010, the average price had risen to £168,719.

Today, the average stands at £265,012.

(https://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/property-statistics/nationwide-average-house-price/)

So under 13 years of Labour (1997-2010), average prices increased by £110,316

Under the last 14 years of the coalition and Tory Governments - by £96,293

Whether some care to admit it, or not, mass immigration DOES play a big part as to why you are unable to get on the housing ladder.

In your own little bubbles, you still fail to see the knock on effects mass immigration is having on the UK, even when it is hitting you in the face with things like getting on the housing ladder.

You do not get lower prices with high supply and high demand. It only ensures pace is kept with what is required, stabilising prices a bit.

However, it against your ethos to direct the same level of vitriol at them, as you do with all pensioners.

If you want someone to blame, then blame the useless Governments we have had in the country (and propped up by) - of all political colours.
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Excellent summation.
 
Isn't the rhetoric just in response to younger generations being told for years to get better at saving/ stop eating avocado on toast / cancel tv subscriptions and they'll be able to afford housing etc.

Now some older people are being affected by government cuts and losing a benefit and they're all up in arms about it. So some younger people are spinning that rhetoric back at them and saying perhaps if they cut back on the posh biscuits they'd be able to afford their heating.

Not saying either is right but that seems to be where it is coming from.
 
Theodore said:
Pensioners tend to be more careful/mindful of how they spend their money.

This doesn’t usually include a tenner every day on cafe-latte-skinny-frappe-mocha-chocca-yaya nonsense from the local rip off coffee shop.
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But saying this sort of thing can be divisive no? Otherwise what's to stop others turning around and saying if they're so careful with their money why can't they survive on £11,502 per year.
 
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