Sara Sharif case #2

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Another thing that really bothers me about this story is that if they had somehow hid her body and moved to Pakistan absolutely nobody would ever have found our what happened to poor Sara. She was invisible to authorities, abandoned to those monster.

How many children are currently going through this right now? How many we will never know about?
 
Lizzie Mintdrop said:
I'm not happy about Faisal Malik's sentence, he'll serve 12 years minus time served, he'll be 40 when he gets out and can live the rest of his life. Not good enough.

The judge said Beinash Batool couldn't leave as she did not have support, however, she already knew there was support available as she had sought it for herself when she was 18, she chose not to leave because she wasn't the main target
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But when you think about it, Malik's name is dirt. He won't have a perfect life once he's out 👍
 
Lizzie Mintdrop said:
I think they should all be deported to serve their sentences in Pakistan, wouldn't that be lovely for them
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Deporting them would mean no cushy pandering in a UK prison and save taxpayers money however, despite the prison conditions in Pakistan being much worse than the UK, there could be the risk of bribery/corruption to reduce sentences/serve less time or even the risk of escape.
 
Haven’t seen the answers to this in the news so asking here- how come Sara wasn’t with her mum? Did Olga get to see her sometimes and therefore get to report the abuse?
 
During their time in court FM and US both testified separately that they didn't 'learn' to corporally punish children from their family of origin - both said their parents were calm and loving, both parents too, dad and mum. So if that's true (and it could just be an agreed lie so the children stay in Pakistan) - surely FM would have spoken up and intervened to protect Sara? Recognised how abnormal US and BB's parenting was? Dread to think how that eldest boy is doing if I'm honest. It does lend to a conversation about gender based violence - she was killed because she's a girl and we are socially conditioned to see girls as less from the beginning. Less deserving of safety, less deserving of pay, pain relief, space in the playground, jobs and on and on. Add to that society's view on children too. And cultural differences. What a mess.

Had to step away from this case for a while, once the verdicts came in. The issues are so deeply rooted in culture and society it's difficult to see how we change the tide.
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HotesTilaire said:
the kids were all removed from Olga and BB stopped her from seeing them
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The child death overview is going to make for startling reading.
 
Pavement1979 said:
During their time in court FM and US both testified separately that they didn't 'learn' to corporally punish children from their family of origin - both said their parents were calm and loving, both parents too, dad and mum. So if that's true (and it could just be an agreed lie so the children stay in Pakistan) - surely FM would have spoken up and intervened to protect Sara? Recognised how abnormal US and BB's parenting was? Dread to think how that eldest boy is doing if I'm honest. It does lend to a conversation about gender based violence - she was killed because she's a girl and we are socially conditioned to see girls as less from the beginning. Less deserving of safety, less deserving of pay, pain relief, space in the playground, jobs and on and on. Add to that society's view on children too. And cultural differences. What a mess.

Had to step away from this case for a while, once the verdicts came in. The issues are so deeply rooted in culture and society it's difficult to see how we change the tide.
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The child death overview is going to make for startling reading.
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I wouldn’t believe a word either of them said, seems like something they would say to keep the other children in Pakistan. Wasn’t BB herself a victim of honour-based abuse by her own family? Agree about FM. If it wasn’t normalised behaviour in the family then why didn’t he step in?
 
Pavement1979 said:
During their time in court FM and US both testified separately that they didn't 'learn' to corporally punish children from their family of origin - both said their parents were calm and loving, both parents too, dad and mum. So if that's true (and it could just be an agreed lie so the children stay in Pakistan) - surely FM would have spoken up and intervened to protect Sara? Recognised how abnormal US and BB's parenting was? Dread to think how that eldest boy is doing if I'm honest. It does lend to a conversation about gender based violence - she was killed because she's a girl and we are socially conditioned to see girls as less from the beginning. Less deserving of safety, less deserving of pay, pain relief, space in the playground, jobs and on and on. Add to that society's view on children too. And cultural differences. What a mess.

Had to step away from this case for a while, once the verdicts came in. The issues are so deeply rooted in culture and society it's difficult to see how we change the tide.
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The child death overview is going to make for startling reading.
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Agreed, SS must have been involved with the twins?
 
Lizzie Mintdrop said:
It seems that a child from the family has given some evidence from what the judge was saying
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I think the older son of Olga’s who from what has been said is in care over here.

I get the sympathy towards Olga but I’m not entirely sure that she is blameless in the whole thing either, it very much sounds like she was also abusive towards Sara and her other children. Given that, taking Sara over to Poland and burying her in a religion Sara didn’t seem to follow at all also doesn’t quite seem like it’s quite what Sara deserved either.
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Cheddar Chalpupa said:
I think the best thing would be the care system in the UK, whilst that would usually be my idea of hell for a kid it would be better than with a shite family in a foreign country. But I guess we don't know, they could be decent caring grandparents (unlikely considering how 2 of their sons turned out), but it must be a culture shock for the older boy.

Edit - actually they must be pretty old, they have a 43 year old son. Toddlers and kids with additional needs won't be easy for them.
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I think if they are decent caring grandparents then they’d be understandably hesitant to send the kids back to the care system here. Even taking aside the bias I have, looking at the cold hard facts about this case and this case only, can anyone in this thread truly say they’d want to give kids back to go into the system that so entirely failed them and Sara?
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I think the older son of Olga’s who from what has been said is in care over here.

I get the sympathy towards Olga but I’m not entirely sure that she is blameless in the whole thing either, it very much sounds like she was also abusive towards Sara and her other children. Given that, taking Sara over to Poland and burying her in a religion Sara didn’t seem to follow at all also doesn’t quite seem like it’s quite what Sara deserved either.
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I think if they are decent caring grandparents then they’d be understandably hesitant to send the kids back to the care system here. Even taking aside the bias I have, looking at the cold hard facts about this case and this case only, can anyone in this thread truly say they’d want to give kids back to go into the system that so entirely failed them and Sara?
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I'm sure I read somewhere that her other son chose to stay in care? I mean our care system isn't great, my partner was in care and had a horrendous time and he chose not to go with another family in fear of future potential rejection. So it says a lot he would want to stay within that system. It's hard because we don't know olgas circumstances but for her children to be in care there must be something there. She must feel guilty though for not being there.
 
LouBug19 said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that her other son chose to stay in care? I mean our care system isn't great, my partner was in care and had a horrendous time and he chose not to go with another family in fear of future potential rejection. So it says a lot he would want to stay within that system. It's hard because we don't know olgas circumstances but for her children to be in care there must be something there. She must feel guilty though for not being there.
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The Telegraph reported that she had learning disabilities
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I think the older son of Olga’s who from what has been said is in care over here.

I get the sympathy towards Olga but I’m not entirely sure that she is blameless in the whole thing either, it very much sounds like she was also abusive towards Sara and her other children. Given that, taking Sara over to Poland and burying her in a religion Sara didn’t seem to follow at all also doesn’t quite seem like it’s quite what Sara deserved either.
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I think if they are decent caring grandparents then they’d be understandably hesitant to send the kids back to the care system here. Even taking aside the bias I have, looking at the cold hard facts about this case and this case only, can anyone in this thread truly say they’d want to give kids back to go into the system that so entirely failed them and Sara?
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I'm guessing it was US and Olga's son who gave evidence as he would have been the one who saw more, Olga's son most likely wouldn't remember very much of it
 
Honestly my heart breaks for that little girl. Thankfully she’ll no longer know any pain or suffering 💔

I hope those bastards burn in hell for what they did to her.

I hope this leads to some real change. Home schooling legislation is a great start but it’s not enough.

I’ve heard so many times over the last few days how she was failed by the school, failed by social services, failed by the police, failed by neighbours and countless others. The problem in itself is that although stopping child abuse is everyone’s responsibility, the reality is it actually becomes no one’s responsibility because the buck is always passed to someone else. 😢
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I get the sympathy towards Olga but I’m not entirely sure that she is blameless in the whole thing either, it very much sounds like she was also abusive towards Sara and her other children. Given that, taking Sara over to Poland and burying her in a religion Sara didn’t seem to follow at all also doesn’t quite seem like it’s quite what Sara deserved either.
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Sara's father was no adherent to his religion- a bully, liar, torturer, murderer....he is an evil being.
US and BB did not raise Sara in a tolerant, peaceful muslim house.

Olga, who may or may not have been perfect, has the right to decide where and how her daughter be laid to rest.
 
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LouBug19 said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that her other son chose to stay in care? I mean our care system isn't great, my partner was in care and had a horrendous time and he chose not to go with another family in fear of future potential rejection. So it says a lot he would want to stay within that system. It's hard because we don't know olgas circumstances but for her children to be in care there must be something there. She must feel guilty though for not being there.
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Yeah, obviously there are extenuating circumstances around her and it’s not her fault US is such a bleep.

I guess mostly the idea of a child who, as far as we know, was raised as a practising Muslim and likely had her own beliefs around that being given a Catholic funeral and that seemingly, per PP, being emphasised now as a dig to the father just doesn’t sit right with me.
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Ilovemusic said:
Sara's father was no adherent to his religion- a bully, liar, torturer, murderer....he is an evil being.

Olga, who may or may not have been perfect, has the right to decide where and how her daughter be laid to rest.
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I know US wasn’t adherent to his religion, but based on what has been said Sara was. And that’s the part that’s important to me. Not what religion either parent was.
 
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