Real Life Crime and Murder #19

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Have you never heard of rohypnol?

'Needle spiking' explained and how can you tell if your drink has been spiked - Edinburgh Live
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Of couse I have, and GHB. By the way did you read your article?

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David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, told Vice World News: “There are a couple of things that are disconcerting about this story. The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable. It is at the level of a state sponsored actor incapacitating a dissident, like the Novichok incident. The idea that a clubber would do this to a fellow clubber seems highly unlikely to me.

“It’s really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this. If you were malicious there would be half a dozen much easier other ways to spike someone.”

Women have more to fear from their partners than some stranger spiking them in a club, 90% of women are attacked by their partners. Journos and newspaper would do better focusing on that if they care about the 2 women who are killed every week rather than this click-bait.

You are right about the male cat-killer, who was egged on by another man, and killed an innocent man 🙁
 
It’s awful and that man has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. Makes me wonder, is it really in the public interest to prosecute?
It's a hard one, I grew up on a farm and visited my grandparents when I was very young. I wouldn't have been allowed near machinery but accidents can happen. Under health and safety laws I imagine hes negligent. He must be feeling awful if it was an accident.
 
Of couse I have, and GHB. By the way did you read your article?

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David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, told Vice World News: “There are a couple of things that are disconcerting about this story. The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable. It is at the level of a state sponsored actor incapacitating a dissident, like the Novichok incident. The idea that a clubber would do this to a fellow clubber seems highly unlikely to me.

“It’s really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this. If you were malicious there would be half a dozen much easier other ways to spike someone.”

Women have more to fear from their partners than some stranger spiking them in a club, 90% of women are attacked by their partners. Journos and newspaper would do better focusing on that if they care about the 2 women who are killed every week rather than this click-bait.

You are right about the male cat-killer, who was egged on by another man, and killed an innocent man 🙁

Ha, that'll learn me! I had read about it before so just grabbed the first one I saw. My point about rohypnol etc still stands though, which is why I was surprised by your assertion that there was nothing which could make you comply. My friend was raped by a bloke who did that to her. Thank heavens he went down for 10 years.
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It’s awful and that man has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. Makes me wonder, is it really in the public interest to prosecute?

Blimey, me too. The guy's living a life sentence already.
 
I think it boils down to negligence. I hope it wasn’t deliberate but like the woman who left her children alone and then they perished in a house fire, it was probably avoidable. Sad all round.

Yes I think when you consider other gross negligent manslaughter cases where parents have been charged or convicted, it’s really quite clear that the parents were very neglectful and the child(ren) died as a result of that neglect. I think parents must face justice in these circumstances, even if the death has devastated them.

I expect there may be more to this as on the face of it it sounds like a tragic accident but there are probably other circumstances not yet reported.
 
It’s awful and that man has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. Makes me wonder, is it really in the public interest to prosecute?
The dad is a creep if nothing else. His new partner MB is about 20 years younger than him and has two kids with him. She must have got pregnant when she was only just 18.
The farm where it happened was an absolutely disgusting puppy farm for years, run by the same family. A year after the puppy farm was exposed and two men prosecuted (Neil's dad and brother) Neil applied for a licence to hold and sell up to 40 dogs on the same farm. There's been multiple fires at the farm too. I don't think they give a duck about operating safely. Just whatever makes them money quickly
I live a few miles away and there's a lot of crappy farms with bad practices, crappy dog breeding and not giving a duck about health and safety, letting kids run round the yards and not following safety when it comes to farm vehicles being driven.

. That poor wee lad and his mum.
 
Kate Mc cans story has more holes in it that a bleeping cheese grater ..

I see highly intoxicated people weekly in my job and they all scream they have been spiked! It’s a the go to phrase .. that and I CAN DRINK WAY MORE THEN THIS..

and let me tell you! Not one tests positive for drugs they haven’t taken willingly when they do consent to drug tests..
One claimed she was spiked on pre drinking!! Brilliant !! That’s all your friends up for the suspects job!

as they roll off all the drinks they consumed in the short few hours their asses have been out in town.. it dawns on them that the Spiker has been themselves ..

Kate McCann is a twit
 
The dad is a creep if nothing else. His new partner MB is about 20 years younger than him and has two kids with him. She must have got pregnant when she was only just 18.
The farm where it happened was an absolutely disgusting puppy farm for years, run by the same family. A year after the puppy farm was exposed and two men prosecuted (Neil's dad and brother) Neil applied for a licence to hold and sell up to 40 dogs on the same farm. There's been multiple fires at the farm too. I don't think they give a duck about operating safely. Just whatever makes them money quickly
I live a few miles away and there's a lot of crappy farms with bad practices, crappy dog breeding and not giving a duck about health and safety, letting kids run round the yards and not following safety when it comes to farm vehicles being driven.

. That poor wee lad and his mum.

How dreadful. I'm glad now he is facing criminal charges.
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Kate Mc cans story has more holes in it that a bleeping cheese grater ..

I see highly intoxicated people weekly in my job and they all scream they have been spiked! It’s a the go to phrase .. that and I CAN DRINK WAY MORE THEN THIS..

and let me tell you! Not one tests positive for drugs they haven’t taken willingly when they do consent to drug tests..
One claimed she was spiked on pre drinking!! Brilliant !! That’s all your friends up for the suspects job!

as they roll off all the drinks they consumed in the short few hours their asses have been out in town.. it dawns on them that the Spiker has been themselves ..

Kate McCann is a twit

Rohypnol etc don't last long in the blood stream.
 
This story is awful. His 4 year old son has been left paralysed as he was sat on his mums lap in the front seat, and there were 3 other kids in the back. But weirdly, DM are reporting his name as Adam Bashir, when all other reports say his name is Ashim Bashir

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...illed-driver-maimed-son-crash-BMW-jailed.html
 
Kate Mc cans story has more holes in it that a bleeping cheese grater ..

I see highly intoxicated people weekly in my job and they all scream they have been spiked! It’s a the go to phrase .. that and I CAN DRINK WAY MORE THEN THIS..

and let me tell you! Not one tests positive for drugs they haven’t taken willingly when they do consent to drug tests..
One claimed she was spiked on pre drinking!! Brilliant !! That’s all your friends up for the suspects job!

as they roll off all the drinks they consumed in the short few hours their asses have been out in town.. it dawns on them that the Spiker has been themselves ..

Kate McCann is a twit
Exactly. It feels like a cautionary tale to keep young women in their place - the women are in a club, are rescued by their partners or friends and taken to safety, they are inevitably young white and pretty, they only had a couple of drinks etc etc.
Quite why strangers are doing this on mass is beyond me - women are overwhelmingly attacked by men they know not a stranger in a club.
 
This story is awful. His 4 year old son has been left paralysed as he was sat on his mums lap in the front seat, and there were 3 other kids in the back. But weirdly, DM are reporting his name as Adam Bashir, when all other reports say his name is Ashim Bashir

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...illed-driver-maimed-son-crash-BMW-jailed.html

Absolutely horrific. What on earth were they thinking?

Adam may just be an anglo nickname? Though the DM does often get basic facts wrong tbh
 
This story is awful. His 4 year old son has been left paralysed as he was sat on his mums lap in the front seat, and there were 3 other kids in the back. But weirdly, DM are reporting his name as Adam Bashir, when all other reports say his name is Ashim Bashir

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...illed-driver-maimed-son-crash-BMW-jailed.html
That's awful. So sad for the man who died and his children whose lives have been wrecked. I feel like the mum is culpable too, to a point, why would she accept that it's reasonable for her son to be sat in the front on her knee without a seatbelt. Awful.
 
The dad is a creep if nothing else. His new partner MB is about 20 years younger than him and has two kids with him. She must have got pregnant when she was only just 18.
The farm where it happened was an absolutely disgusting puppy farm for years, run by the same family. A year after the puppy farm was exposed and two men prosecuted (Neil's dad and brother) Neil applied for a licence to hold and sell up to 40 dogs on the same farm. There's been multiple fires at the farm too. I don't think they give a duck about operating safely. Just whatever makes them money quickly
I live a few miles away and there's a lot of crappy farms with bad practices, crappy dog breeding and not giving a duck about health and safety, letting kids run round the yards and not following safety when it comes to farm vehicles being driven.

. That poor wee lad and his mum.

Oh wow. I didn’t know about any of that. That changes things.
 
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