Oscar Pistorius

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I just don’t get why he would want to kill her! She wrote him a Valentines Card and even if they argued this is so extreme that it scares me.

I have travelled through South Africa and it is dangerous (was in a dangerous situation once myself and got out as locals helped and protected me) and my boss is from there and had been burgled ten times before she moved to the UK.

I know I would be terrified if someone would be in my house and if I would be less able to run even more so.

Maybe he das a lot of fear due to his disability that he managed to hide well or overcompensated with aggression.

I just don’t get why he would do this on purpose and wrongf convictions are so horrible that I think it needs to be super clear



Well, he “claimed” he believed that she was in the bedroom.

Of course it is only possible to say that he “claimed” as nobody can look into his head

trying to make sense of his state of mind or trying to find a reason is pretty fruitless. Most people who Murder someone, aren’t particularly sane or level headed are they? It was probably an Argument that escalated, he was maybe being an asshole to her so she went to the bathroom to get away from him and in his rage filled state he took his gun and shot her through the door. Some people just loose their tit like this, the red mist comes down and they do terrible things that make no sense, but my god, if you look at the photos of her from that night..... it’s absolutely heartbreaking. He didn’t just shoot her once and she died, he shot her multiple times, blowing her skull apart. It’s horrific,
 
trying to make sense of his state of mind or trying to find a reason is pretty fruitless. Most people who Murder someone, aren’t particularly sane or level headed are they? It was probably an Argument that escalated, he was maybe being an asshole to her so she went to the bathroom to get away from him and in his rage filled state he took his gun and shot her through the door. Some people just loose their tit like this, the red mist comes down and they do terrible things that make no sense, but my god, if you look at the photos of her from that night..... it’s absolutely heartbreaking. He didn’t just shoot her once and she died, he shot her multiple times, blowing her skull apart. It’s horrific,

I agree trying to find logic in someone’s murderous actions is bizarre....the logic of psychopath is something that doesn’t interest me in the slightest. You just end up playing to their ego, whether they admit or deny their crime. In the face unequivocal/strong evidence just convict them and don’t bow to anything that lends notoriety to them.
 
And his fecking crocodile tears in court. Well it was tears for him and his fall from grace NOT that be murdered a woman in cold blood.
If he had admitted it then that would go a little way (1%) towards some sort of closure for the family but he will never admit it.
He's not sorry. He's sorry he got caught.
The first person he called was his lawyer friend not the police or paramedics
He must've taken a while, once he'd murdered Reeva, to thinking logically about his next move.

Apparently Reeva crossed her arms to protect her head....so she had enough time to process she was going to be killed to try and protect her head....she would have screamed out but oscar continued.

It's now believed that oscar beat Reeva with his baseball bat before she managed to flee to the toilet.
 
We can’t look into his head and don’t know what he cried for.

I looked at a few more videos and find his version unlikely, but just don’t know why he would kill someone he has been with for three months and that gave him a card that said “I love you“. What could they have argued about that was so bad.

Even if she wanted to leave him and decided during the argument - would he be so enraged that he killed her? I can’t grasp it
 
We can’t look into his head and don’t know what he cried for.

I looked at a few more videos and find his version unlikely, but just don’t know why he would kill someone he has been with for three months and that gave him a card that said “I love you“. What could they have argued about that was so bad.

Even if she wanted to leave him and decided during the argument - would he be so enraged that he killed her? I can’t grasp it

I think the thing is, whether or not you believe he knew it was her in the bathroom originally (I think he did), he fired four times with exploding bullets so he clearly meant to kill whoever was in there.

Added to that is that she almost certainly would have screamed after the first shot, so at that point he should have at the very least realised he’d managed to shoot the “intruder” and stopped, even if he somehow didn’t realise it was her.

We can never know for certain whether he knew it was her in there, but his actions are proof he meant to kill whoever was in there, especially calling his lawyer first after and the sentence he got reflects that.
 
We can’t look into his head and don’t know what he cried for.

I looked at a few more videos and find his version unlikely, but just don’t know why he would kill someone he has been with for three months and that gave him a card that said “I love you“. What could they have argued about that was so bad.

Even if she wanted to leave him and decided during the argument - would he be so enraged that he killed her? I can’t grasp it

You obviously haven’t seen this kind of person, having worked in criminal justice I can believe it. I dealt with horrendous, unfathomable domestic violence cases. Just because it’s beyond your grasp doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, consider yourself lucky not to have been close to such incidents.

Your obsession with ‘knowing what is inside his head’ is bizarre and irrelevant. Proving mens rea in a fit of rage case is irrelevant, if there was premeditation it appears to be very sudden. You should concern yourself with what he actually did and his very poor/patchy explanation no doubt pieced together with his friends help in the aftermath.
 
You obviously haven’t seen this kind of person, having worked in criminal justice I can believe it. I dealt with horrendous, unfathomable domestic violence cases. Just because it’s beyond your grasp doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, consider yourself lucky not to have been close to such incidents.

Yes, I agree. I am just so astonished how extreme this is. Some cruelty I read about (beaten children, abused animals, etc) I just don’t grasp
 
I think the thing is, whether or not you believe he knew it was her in the bathroom originally (I think he did), he fired four times with exploding bullets so he clearly meant to kill whoever was in there.

Added to that is that she almost certainly would have screamed after the first shot, so at that point he should have at the very least realised he’d managed to shoot the “intruder” and stopped, even if he somehow didn’t realise it was her.

We can never know for certain whether he knew it was her in there, but his actions are proof he meant to kill whoever was in there, especially calling his lawyer first after and the sentence he got reflects that.

Yes, calling his lawyer was bizarre and true, she would have screamed after the first shot. And it is true she changed position
 
You’re a decent person obviously, unfortunately plenty aren’t like you.

I am maybe naive. I had ex-boyfriends betraying me financially. A former manager lying about my bonus

One thing that says guilty to me is the fact that Reeva went to the toilet in the middle of the night with her phone and locked the door.
who would do that unless she was escaping from him and planned to call for help.

So you think he killed her so she won’t tell anyone that he beat her?
 
I am maybe naive. I had ex-boyfriends betraying me financially. A former manager lying about my bonus



So you think he killed her so she won’t tell anyone that he beat her?
Usually DV killers whose spouse threatens to leave, kill so that no one else can have them, if they can’t. Even if partners manage to leave, there are cases where victims are stalked for months and ultimately killed if police haven’t put adequate protection in place. They dehumanise their partners and treat them as property.
 
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Canadian psychologist Dr. Brent Willock has written a book that finally explains to me what likely happened that tragic night. He says, as many of us have, that of course Oscar would have told Reeva that he had heard a sound, that he was grabbing his gun to investigate, etc. And of course he would then realize by her non response that she was not in the bed and therefore she made the sound in the bathroom. Furthermore, when he was screaming at the 'intruders' to leave, Reeva would have told him to calm down because it was only her in the toilet, and so Oscar would have gone back to bed. Of course all this would have happened...if Oscar's brain had been fully awake. Part of his brain was very alert while other key parts were still asleep (parasomnia). Dr. Willock's book has been endorsed by the world's leading experts in sleep disorders. It is called The Wrongful Conviction of Oscar Pistorius: Science Transforms our Comprehension of Reeva Steenkamp's Shocking Death. Highly recommended.

What a crock of tit......ever heard of adrenaline, that wakes you up big time!
 
Canadian psychologist Dr. Brent Willock has written a book that finally explains to me what likely happened that tragic night. He says, as many of us have, that of course Oscar would have told Reeva that he had heard a sound, that he was grabbing his gun to investigate, etc. And of course he would then realize by her non response that she was not in the bed and therefore she made the sound in the bathroom. Furthermore, when he was screaming at the 'intruders' to leave, Reeva would have told him to calm down because it was only her in the toilet, and so Oscar would have gone back to bed. Of course all this would have happened...if Oscar's brain had been fully awake. Part of his brain was very alert while other key parts were still asleep (parasomnia). Dr. Willock's book has been endorsed by the world's leading experts in sleep disorders. It is called The Wrongful Conviction of Oscar Pistorius: Science Transforms our Comprehension of Reeva Steenkamp's Shocking Death. Highly recommended.

No thanks re your recommendation.

...I prefer to use regular toilet paper.
 
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I believe there was an argument. Him being a hothead & control freak, lost it and in a blind rage reached for the gun ( I believe he kept in under the bed?) Reeva ran to the toilet to call for help, he went after her still full of rage & opened fire. He then realised what he had done & panicked, phoned his lawyer mate & the tears were for himself cos he knew he had seriously fucked up.
People do things when they're angry without thinking of the consequences. By then it's too late & lives have been changed forever. In this case unfortunately poor Reeva lost hers.
 
I have watched some of these docs and read things so much speculation and media embellishment tainted so many facts to be honest. It’s obvious that SA feels unsafe to many who live there, and causes anxiety and fear.

The police were not the best on the crime scene (perhaps due to lack of funding) they lost loads of evidence and parts of the actual door, things went missing and the allegation of being called out to a DV incident was nothing of the kind, it was an incident at a party where a woman had been asked to leave

Also the texts pointed out where they were arguing could be read in many different ways, given context or interpreted another way with no context

why she packed up all her clothes - she didn’t live there and they had only dated 3 months so not likely she was going to have her own wardrobe space

It did come across as though he was immature in relationships, had multiple women overlapping, was very insecure and easily upset, and equally excitable by a reckless lifestyle which involved guns. He did not seem to be a great boyfriend and had a critical side. I think he is a strange mix of someone who feels weak and insecure internally so pushes himself hard externally.

His version of events did not come across as completely unbelievable - he asked her to close the door and move the fans before she went to sleep and she didn’t, so when he woke up he was perhaps already panicking a little. If it was really dark, he felt unsteady and vulnerable and not fully awake, it sounded like he could have reacted out of fear and panic of hearing the bathroom window open.

I agree there are questions as to why she didn’t scream, I can’t remember if there was a timeline of how quickly the shots were fired after each other as she may not have had the chance to react in the way you assume (or see in films) - shock often causes you to freeze, going into a foetal position may have been instinctual and if it all happened very quickly, the shock and pain of the first shot confusing her completely. Also his timeline of how fast things happened will not be accurate he won’t have looked at a clock and what feels like 5 mins can actually be 2 mins

I suppose I don’t understand why if having a terrible row, she ran into a room where she couldn’t escape him rather than into the main house. It wasn’t clear whether either of them turned a main light on, she could have taken her phone to give some light on her way to the toilet. He strikes me as someone who is fussy about things like that

The one thing that made me 🤔 was that it showed he had been on his phone (or Reeva had) about an hour before he allegedly woke up to move the fans. So either she looked at his phone when he was asleep (and could have not liked what she saw) or he had already woken up and knew the fans hadn’t been moved so makes no sense why he started panicking the second time

So I conclude I don’t know and never will
I don’t think he rang his lawyer he rang the manager of the gated community to come help him because I think she was still alive at that point

Also as I clearly can’t sleep 😕

I remember thinking about it, what if it was a terrible miscommunication?

Oscar gets up to move the fans. Reeva goes to the toilet and he doesn’t realise (soft carpets, bed doesn’t squeak) both are half asleep

She gets to the toilet and hears Oscar shout there is an intruder. She is too scared to open the door and come out as she doesn’t know where they are in the house, so pulls the door closed and locks herself in. She doesn’t want to call out to him as she is afraid. She hears Oscar shouting from bedroom but he says he didn’t shout in the bathroom as to not give his position away so she may not have realised he came in, she didn’t call out as she was hiding and had no idea he thought she was the intruder, so didn’t alert him. She was unaware he was going to shoot and perhaps thought the intruder was shooting at her

I’m not saying he’s innocent he clearly intended to seriously wound or kill whoever was in that room
 
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We can’t look into his head and don’t know what he cried for.

I looked at a few more videos and find his version unlikely, but just don’t know why he would kill someone he has been with for three months and that gave him a card that said “I love you“. What could they have argued about that was so bad.

Even if she wanted to leave him and decided during the argument - would he be so enraged that he killed her? I can’t grasp it
It does happen though. In the uk alone 2 women a week are killed by their partners. There’s no rhyme or reason to it, some people are just domestic abusers.
 
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