Nigel Farage

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soph30 said:
The BLM movement is controversial. It's not just about being anti racist, it's got political undertones. Describing those who defend it as 'anti racist' is topical. I don't really want to go into the history of slavery here as it's a bit off topic, but that poster held below is quite negative and aggressive. It doesn't look like a peaceful anti racist protest, it looks pretty inflammatory. He's not criticising anti racism, he's criticising BLM.

''But Mr Farage , former leader of the Brexit Party, described the scenes as “terrifying,” likening protesters to a “paramilitary-like force.”

“This is what the BLM movement wanted from the start and it will divide our society like never before,” he said on social media. ''

That's not really a 'slur'. He's not commenting on a group of black people walking peacefully and saying they're terrifying, he's commenting on scenes like the one below.
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I don’t agree with BLM and nor do a lot of people I know, including some black people. Sad times that you can be accused of being racist because you don’t agree with aggressive, threatening, intimidating twats. BBC manipulated the photos a lot, I remember one in particular that shocked me was a black fella looking like a hero in a photo but the uncropped photo showed him brandishing a knife/machete. It was then that I realised I’d been a fool.
 
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Let’s find some cute pictures to balance out all this Sunday negativity ;)
 

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Furrytriangle said:
I don’t agree with BLM and nor do a lot of people I know, including some black people. Sad times that you can be accused of being racist because you don’t agree with aggressive, threatening, intimidating twats. BBC manipulated the photos a lot, I remember one in particular that shocked me was a black fella looking like a hero in a photo but the uncropped photo showed him brandishing a knife/machete. It was then that I realised I’d been a fool.
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Also just on this topic (maybe slightly off topic but it falls into the discussion around racism and intolerance) a load of businesses that were being smashed up/vandalised from the rioting, mainly in America, belonged to black people? There’s this sad picture of an old black lady crying because her shop was looted :(
Also it just creates division, telling black people who have grown up here and are as British as anything that they should hate most of the people in their own majority white country.
 
Foreigner here! I came to the Uk 30 years ago. My grand parents families were immigrants who had then resettled elsewhere.

I came to the UK on a working holiday visa before getting an ancestry visa. I then worked really hard, paid my taxes, never claimed benefits to finally be naturalised.

I’ve always loved the UK (London) for being so multicultural. Like someone else said the UK was built on immigration.

However what really upset me at my naturalisation ceremony there were people who couldn’t speak a word of English.

I know the process for citizenship has now changed but surely people living in the UK should at least be able to speak the language?
 
RoseintheSunshine said:
Foreigner here! I came to the Uk 30 years ago. My grand parents families were immigrants who had then resettled elsewhere.

I came to the UK on a working holiday visa before getting an ancestry visa. I then worked really hard, paid my taxes, never claimed benefits to finally be naturalised.

I’ve always loved the UK (London) for being so multicultural. Like someone else said the UK was built on immigration.

However what really upset me at my naturalisation ceremony there were people who couldn’t speak a word of English.

I know the process for citizenship has now changed but surely people living in the UK should at least be able to speak the language?
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Nobody hates foreigners or immigrants here don’t worry, this is why all this rhetoric’s so damaging. The discussion is around a ridiculous amount of immigration on a large scale.
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And as you say, people (not in need) who just don’t build anything, add anything to Britain, like Britain or make an effort.
 
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RoseintheSunshine said:
@soph30 i hear you and I get that. I suppose my point is that there’s immigration and then there’s ‘immigration’.
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It’s only ‘immigration’ if it’s on a massive scale as well, nobody cares about twenty or thirty people who come here, we’re talking about millions :) And you and your family were pretty pro Britain it seems so welcome! If you just hung out with others of your own culture ( I don’t mean keeping it and being proud of it and sharing it with others here) it would be different ;)
 
It’s interesting you mention ‘hanging out with your own culture’ I get that too. As I’ve said, I’ve lived in the UK 30 years, 20 years in London - no problem.

When I met my English husband, I moved out to a county where he lived and have struggled to make English friends. I’ve invited so many families for dinner, lunch or play dates and it’s never reciprocated. The ‘English’ families are cliquey and stick to their own and all the ‘foreigners’ hang out together moaning about the English who never include them. Its really interesting
 
Oh that’s interesting! That sounds pretty xenophobic, I’m sorry :(

Before I get a pile on from anti Nigers, the discussion is around mass immigration, not a load of wankers who were xenophobic to poor Rose 🌹
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At least you tried!
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Everryone’s always laughed at xenophobic Little Englanders. There’s a whole Little Britain sketch around it.
 
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I think the discussion is wider than just immigration ;0)

At the end of the day, people voted to Brexit (whether that be about jobs, immigration, self governance whatever). I voted remain but accept what the majority voted for.

As for Nigel - I found him interesting on IAC. Would I vote for him, no but that doesn’t mean I don’t hear what he’s saying.
 
PeteM said:
Of course, I didn't say that. But of instead of such "robust discussion" as "can't be arsed", why not specify what you think is particularly British.
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I don't think the discussion is really around Nigel and his fans saying we don't like immigrants/expats in Britain, or anything that isn't British, or that some migrants being here don't make Britain feel British. It's about some very specific migration situations that are just overkill. The comment you were responding to was saying it's okay that no English is heard on a South London train, or that mass, unbeneficial immigration is okay just because Britain was built around immigration. Nobody's objecting to the concept of immigration in Britain, or that it wasn't partly built on immigration.
It's a good question and I almost think someone who's not from a big multicultural city like me would be better at answering it. There's a lot about English ( I can't speak for the other UK countries) culture that's celebrated all over the world, from quaint Harry Potteresque things to classical architecture to our Tudor and Georgian history to British words and dialect (Cockney is dying out) to lovely country houses to high tea culture etc. I don't really feel that's first and foremost in big cities any more; they've just become a mishmash of too many cultures and too crowded. It wasn't like that in say the 80s.
I guess on a really base level people who have a British sense of humour and community spirit, which has held us together since the world wars. That's what people don't like about all of this and why Nige has gained his following. It's not very British to hear no English spoken on a train, or not to be able to joke with people in the shopping queue because they've only been here a few years and either don't speak the language well enough or understand British sarcasm.
Really interesting question though! I just think we need to stick to what makes us unique :)
 
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I don't think country houses or high tea have ever been first and foremost in any British city, particularly with pretty much all cities having a gap between the rich and the poor. What, relating to migration has replaced tudor houses, high teas (wtf even is a high tea?) and country houses? I can't see any changes to those things (except high tea, which I don't think has ever been a thing in Leeds, Bradford or Milton Keynes, as far as I'm aware).

Country houses still exist. The National Trust is still a thing. As far as I can see, we haven't bulldozed a load of Georgian architecture and built mosques.

Community spirit being affected by not being able to speak to someone in a queue isn't a thing. There have been people in this country for years who don't speak the language. I'm guessing that people who live in Barcelona or Paris don't feel that their community spirit is impacted when loads of Brits go over to visit and don't speak Spanish or French.

It isn't 1945, people are generally more self-involved and more insular than those times. That has nothing to do with migration.
 
RoseintheSunshine said:
It’s interesting you mention ‘hanging out with your own culture’ I get that too. As I’ve said, I’ve lived in the UK 30 years, 20 years in London - no problem.

When I met my English husband, I moved out to a county where he lived and have struggled to make English friends. I’ve invited so many families for dinner, lunch or play dates and it’s never reciprocated. The ‘English’ families are cliquey and stick to their own and all the ‘foreigners’ hang out together moaning about the English who never include them. Its really interesting
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It might be the easiest thing to see the problem as your nationality, but I wouldn't take it to heart. These things happen with British born citizens when they move to other cities and ofc we have a strong class hierarchy. Something as simple as a different accent can make others react to us very differently!
Can people understand you? Can you understand them? These things can cause people to just talk to their own crowd as otherwise it may be too much effort.
Someone from the North of England living in the south of vice versa may always be classed as a tourist by strangers every day even if they've lived in that area for decades.
 
Piff paff puff said:
It might be the easiest thing to see the problem as your nationality, but I wouldn't take it to heart. These things happen with British born citizens when they move to other cities and ofc we have a strong class hierarchy. Something as simple as a different accent can make others react to us very differently!
Can people understand you? Can you understand them? These things can cause people to just talk to their own crowd as otherwise it may be too much effort.
Someone from the North of England living in the south of vice versa may always be classed as a tourist by strangers every day even if they've lived in that area for decades.
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😂😂 I speak English and people can understand me perfectly and I understand them !! 😂😂 but I do think even the English stick to their own and yes the English are very class focussed. I had never experienced it living in London so I find it quite shocking and narrow minded but hey ho, nout as queer as folk 🙃
 
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