Nigel Farage

[soph30]

Ok, but most people associate Fred West with being a serial killer and not a nice man, so when a comparison is made with people who aren't murderers it's over the top imo. If you think that UKIP is far right then I don't have a problem with that, but most people would say for example the BNP was far right and quite rightly banned if they were dangerous so if UKIP were far right wouldn't they be banned?

UKIP doesn't even exist any more afaik as its only aim was Brexit. It's now Reform UK. So it's just calling Brexit far right

Nigel's flaw really is that he's power and money hungry and does stupid, greedy things. He's not perfect by any means. But he's not a monster.

 

[Clytemnestra]

Nigel's flaw really is that he's power and money hungry and does stupid, greedy things. He's not perfect by any means. But he's not a monster.

I'd argue selling your country down the river for personal gain, pretty much knowing it would make the rest of the population poorer is monsterous.

 

[Miss Begotten]

UKIP doesn't even exist any more afaik as its only aim was Brexit. It's now Reform UK. So it's just calling Brexit far right

Nigel's flaw really is that he's power and money hungry and does stupid, greedy things. He's not perfect by any means. But he's not a monster.

He is a disgusting, grasping racist bleep though.

 

[soph30]

Too much hyperbole again and not enough robust discussion. Pumpkin would be sad
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There's actually some topical news about fluffy if anyone's bored of discussing Brexit and racism- Coutts have said they didn't remove him for political reasons

 

[PeteM]

First point fair enough Third point nah white Irish aren’t a separate race from white British. Kind of off topic tho

Being somewhat flippant and diminishing the discrimination that Irish people have faced in the UK is never a good look. Anti-Irish propaganda in England goes back many centuries, usually centred around how supposedly thick they are, even though the likes of James Joyce, Yeats and Oscar Wilde et al proved somewhat otherwise, mastering a language that wasn't their mother tongue.

I think it's always good to have an understanding of an ethnicity you refer to. Of course, Nigel proved that he's ignorant about this when interviewed on RTE two years ago. But then he's never been one for detail - more going for base statements that don't have much to do with the truth when scrutinised.

'You haven’t got a clue’: RTÉ’s Claire Byrne challenges Nigel Farage over his knowledge of Ireland

RTÉ’s Claire Byrne challenges Nigel Farage over his knowledge of Ireland during conversation over what Brexit has done to Britain and Northern Ireland The former UKIP leader and TV personality said that Ireland should leave the EU and questioned why Irish nationalists fought so long for...

www.independent.co.uk

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Too much hyperbole again and not enough robust discussion. Pumpkin would be sad

Robust discussion doesn't mean calling people bellends, you know.

 

[soph30]

I swear ‘base statements that can be scrutinised for the truth’ like NIGE IS RACIST take up a lot of my words and Pumpkin Bae’s thread space so good you don’t like them now Pete
Not flippant about Irish struggles but Irish just isn’t a race or ethnicity? I didn’t say they haven’t faced discrimination
Not knowing the Irish phrase up the ra doesn’t mean you can’t be educated around Irish history. Nigel shouldn’t really be sticking his oar in on TV as a Brit though
Think I called you a bellend for saying something like “Do share why immigrants make any difference to motorway traffic” and I was like um they’re in the cars? But I’m sorry it wasn’t personal, just that was a slightly bellendish comment
Have a strawberry

 

[Lynno77]

Too much hyperbole again and not enough robust discussion. Pumpkin would be sad
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There's actually some topical news about fluffy if anyone's bored of discussing Brexit and racism- Coutts have said they didn't remove him for political reasons

I'm sure Coutts said they removed his account as his political values didn't align with theirs. If they did nowt wrong, why did Alison Rose resign....

 

[Spid]

I'm sure Coutts said they removed his account as his political values didn't align with theirs. If they did nowt wrong, why did Alison Rose resign....

It's not that hard to understand is it? Because she disclosed info about his account to the BBC!

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.the...15/coutts-accounts-closed-report-nigel-farage

 

[soph30]

But what about that documentation that said about his political leanings and that they didn’t suit the bank?

 

[Lynno77]

I love how patronising some people on this thread become when they hate Nige and want everyone else to! Haha

 

[soph30]

I love how patronising some people on this thread become when they hate Nige and want everyone else to! Haha

Well they can give their opinion just like anyone else but a lot of decent points are submerged underneath over the top statements and insults which his fans never stoop to really

 

[PeteM]

Well they can give their opinion just like anyone else but a lot of decent points are submerged underneath over the top statements and insults which his fans never stoop to really

Oh dear - the irony.

It's odd to continually defend someone who has said that Enoch Powell is their political hero and backs the "basic principle" of their rivers of blood speech, has commented that they wouldn't like to live next to a house of Romanians, has said that parts of the UK are like a foreign land and feels uncomfortable hearing people speaking in foreign languages whilst on a train in south London.
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I love how patronising some people on this thread become when they hate Nige and want everyone else to! Haha

People are free to like who they want. But many do seem to be taken in by posh voiced "blokes" who rant about the establishment when they are very much products of the establishment. Add to that his rampant xenophobia and it's hard to see how he's likeable.

However, I would like to have a pint with Nigel, but only to pour it over his head.

 

[soph30]

Oh dear - the irony.

It's odd to continually defend someone who has said that Enoch Powell is their political hero and backs the "basic principle" of their rivers of blood speech, has commented that they wouldn't like to live next to a house of Romanians, has said that parts of the UK are like a foreign land and feels uncomfortable hearing people speaking in foreign languages whilst on a train in south London.

The basic principle of the speech is just about uncontrolled immigration and defending your country and culture ://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech which is why he was careful to say he backs the BASIC PRINCIPLE and nothing that leans towards actual racism.
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The Romanians comment was about a group of blokes whatever their culture which just doesn’t happen with English blokes, but it does with migrant housing as this YouTube comment explains
And the other languages comment was saying about NO English being heard which is pretty shocking tbh, not about other languages being spoken so that’s just not accurate

 

[markcorriganscrisps]

Erm, there are quite often large groups of White English men in HMO's, hostels, temporary accommodation. It isn't housing exclusively reserved for Romanian men. I've worked in housing and I've worked in the community with (mainly male) ex-offenders, I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

[soph30]

Erm, there are quite often large groups of White English men in HMO's, hostels, temporary accommodation. It isn't housing exclusively reserved for Romanian men. I've worked in housing and I've worked in the community with (mainly male) ex-offenders, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Yeah but that’s British people in need, with societal problems, not as a matter of course. You say it yourself, you work in housing for desperate people (which is laudable, well done, and your contributions are great)! It’s pretty rare for a group of ten English men to be in a house privately renting unless they’re at the bottom of society and will cause problems. Landlords exploit migrants.

 

[markcorriganscrisps]

Yeah but that’s British people in need, with societal problems, not as a matter of course. You say it yourself, you work in housing for desperate people (which is laudable, well done, and your contributions are great)! It’s pretty rare for a group of ten English men to be in a house privately renting unless they’re at the bottom of society and will cause problems. Landlords exploit migrants.

But why would a house full of Romanian men be any more problematic than a house full of male students or British men renting (which, to be honest some tower blocks can essentially be as they're small single bedroomed flats)?

 

[soph30]

But why would a house full of Romanian men be any more problematic than a house full of male students or British men renting (which, to be honest some tower blocks can essentially be as they're small single bedroomed flats)?

Council run tower blocks have notorious social issues and they’re not just full of young men. A block of fifteen young men with the income or social issues to be housed in a tower block WOULD be a nightmare. And Romanians are of course migrants, which brings up other issues. Poor English, precarious income. It just doesn’t make a great social experience

 

[markcorriganscrisps]

Poor English, being a migrant and having precarious income would make them more difficult to live next to than a group of White British men?

Tower blocks do also house families and women, but I wouldn't necessarily say that the 'income and social issues to be placed there' is fair, a lot of people have no choice in the cards they're dealt. A lot of women fleeing domestic abuse, for example, are housed there. Single men (or women) who don't have kids and can't afford private rent live there. Yes there are people there with substance misuse issues, for example, but that isn't the entirety of the residents there.

 

[PeteM]

The basic principle of the speech is just about uncontrolled immigration and defending your country and culture ://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech which is why he was careful to say he backs the BASIC PRINCIPLE and nothing that leans towards actual racism.
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The Romanians comment was about a group of blokes whatever their culture which just doesn’t happen with English blokes, but it does with migrant housing as this YouTube comment explains
And the other languages comment was saying about NO English being heard which is pretty shocking tbh, not about other languages being spoken so that’s just not accurate

This country's culture is from other countries. There is hardly anything that is intrinsically "British". Enoch Powell was racist as hell, and anyone who endorses him in any shape or form is morally reprehensible.

Farage saying he didn't hear English being spoken at all for a few stops on a South London train is absolute bollocks, no doubt. It's certainly not what I've experienced on a train in South London, and I'm sure I've taken more train journeys in that part of London than "cuddly" Nigel. It's also ridiculous when people raise this as an issue. Why should people from a certain ethnic background speak in English if they're with people from the same background or talking to them on the phone? I await you chastising Brits abroad who do this in countries other than their own.

P.S. Using BLOCK CAPITALS doesn't lend any weight to a "point".

 

[soph30]

Top bit about there being nothing British can’t be arsed. Know we have a tricky history but
Enoch Powell may be racist (the worst I can find is just things about protecting our country from outsiders rather than actually having an issue with certain races. Know the irony with Britain’s colonial history) but Nigel just said he agreed with the basic principle of the speech. Enoch Powell is a person of his time anyway when people were less tolerant of anyone different. The basic idea is keeping our identity
It’s not that foreigners should try and speak English, but why are there SO many foreigners in a suburban (not tourist) area of London that he didn’t hear any English at all? We have to take him at his word
I just used capitals as an alternative to bold or italics
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I haven’t watched it I’m getting ready for my hair appointment, but Enoch actually responds to being called a racist here