Mr Bates vs The Post Office - itv

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I still think it’s crazy how they didn’t assume there was an IT fault when there were so many cases of apparent ‘theft’. Did they honestly think it was more likely that the system was bulletproof?

I’ve worked with IT systems before (not for the Post Office) and I’m confident we’d have assumed there was a bug that needed investigating if we were made aware of large volumes of money supposedly being lost.
 
Have the post office or/and IT system provider deliberately stolen all of that money or are we to believe they truly thought the sub post masters stole it?

Discussions by MPs on whether gov should get involved with reversing decisions made by courts? YES! THEY SHOULD! with rare cases such as this and thereafter on a case by case basis. Imo any of these politicians saying no are dodgy and possibly implicated.

600,000 for each victim and from gov (taxpayer) NO! 1 million each AND from the real criminals whether that be post office/ IT provider.
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Chita said:
And he's getting a knighthood too.
Their honours demean those given to worthy people.
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Can't stand the bleep, something very dodgy about him and I don't trust the monarchy not protect him from whatever sordid things he's done like they did with saville. Likely we'll find out when he's dead too 😖
 
Yes I agree with you @Piff paff puff . Looks like Fujitsu have let down businesses in the UK time and again. They will have to answer questions now and I hope they are made to contribute towards compensation to the post masters, as well as the post office too.

www.bbc.com

Calls grow for Fujitsu to pay for Post Office injustice

Ex-Post Office branch manager Sally Stringer is demanding Fujitsu pay towards compensation
www.bbc.com
 
Piff paff puff said:
Have the post office or/and IT system provider deliberately stolen all of that money or are we to believe they truly thought the sub post masters stole it?
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That’s what I’m wondering too. It seems too awful to think that they deliberately plotted to steal the money and used the sub-postmasters to do it, and let them take the fall, but I wouldn’t be surprised at this point. I assume it was a genuinely faulty system, but yes, why would they assume that hundreds of sub-postmasters were suddenly stealing huge sums of money?! Especially since it only started with the Horizon system and nothing dodgy happened when they used paper and pen.

So either they somehow genuinely thought hundreds of crimes were being committed all of a sudden and just ignored all evidence to the contrary, or they decided to throw them under the bus when they realised they could increase their profits by prosecuting them. I reckon it’s a bit of both. Probably started off thinking crimes were being committed and didn’t make the link to Horizon or use much critical thinking, then once they started mounting up they needed to save their reputation and just kept going and collected the money.

I really want to know what they knew/believed and when, because a child could figure out something was very wrong and it went on for years.
 
This has made the news in Canada.

Sadly it happens all the time that rich organisations or individuals ruin other people, irrelevant of if they're right or wrong. But the big difference here is they screwed over a huge number of people on the same thing so eventually it caught up with the post office.

It seems to have taken being the most popular TV show in the UK to affect some change even though the facts had already been in the national press. That is depressing.

All these other cases involving one or a few people that get fucked over by something or someone with deep pockets have next to no chance of getting retribution. They'll never enter the public consciousness, but it must happen every day. A very flawed system
 
Private Eye's previously published detailed report into the whole saga (they've been reporting on it for years) can be viewed on their web site

www.private-eye.co.uk

Special Report: Justice Lost In The Post

CONCEIVED in 1996 as one of the first private finance initiative (PFI) contracts, between the Post Office and the Benefits Agency on the one hand and computer company ICL on the other, the Horizon IT system had an unpromising start. It had been set up to create a swipe card system for payment of...
www.private-eye.co.uk

They also talk about it in this week's Private Eye podcast.

I suspect, since they've been covering it for years, they will have detailed coverage in the next issue due out next week.
 
you.38degrees.org.uk

Give Alan Bates an honour for exposing Post Office scandal

Paula Vennells said she had “listened” after over 1.2million people signed the 38 Degrees petition to strip her of her CBE due to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of postal workers. Now Alan Bates, the ex-postmaster who led the decades-long fight to expose the Horizon system scandal...
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I agree that Alan Bates needs a medal for his efforts over the years so am posting this petition to help him achieve recognition.
 
Happy Lady said:
you.38degrees.org.uk

Give Alan Bates an honour for exposing Post Office scandal

Paula Vennells said she had “listened” after over 1.2million people signed the 38 Degrees petition to strip her of her CBE due to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of postal workers. Now Alan Bates, the ex-postmaster who led the decades-long fight to expose the Horizon system scandal...
you.38degrees.org.uk you.38degrees.org.uk

I agree that Alan Bates needs a medal for his efforts over the years so am posting this petition to help him achieve recognition.
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Sod the medal, give him a knighthood and then elevate him to the Lords so that he can keep an eye on these bastards from within. I mean they did that with Doreen Lawrence? He's done a lot more good for others than "Sir" Ed Davey for example - another one that appears to be running and hiding right now.
 
I am following what’s being said in the enquiry this morning ( on the bbc). How can this man Stephen Bradshaw claim to have zero knowledge of a problem in the system despite being part of the Horizon team ( and employed in a number of roles within the team) at the time it was brought in .

The amount of arse covering in this whole debarcle is astounding and quite frankly disgusting.
 
Crumpet41 said:
I am following what’s being said in the enquiry this morning ( on the bbc). How can this man Stephen Bradshaw claim to have zero knowledge of a problem in the system despite being part of the Horizon team ( and employed in a number of roles within the team) at the time it was brought in .

The amount of arse covering in this whole debarcle is astounding and quite frankly disgusting.
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He’s absolutely covering his arse and throwing anyone he can under the bus. It’s embarrassing to watch.
 
Crumpet41 said:
I am following what’s being said in the enquiry this morning ( on the bbc). How can this man Stephen Bradshaw claim to have zero knowledge of a problem in the system despite being part of the Horizon team ( and employed in a number of roles within the team) at the time it was brought in .

The amount of arse covering in this whole debarcle is astounding and quite frankly disgusting.
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Where are you watching it on the BBC? Thanks.
 
kev1974 said:
Sod the medal, give him a knighthood and then elevate him to the Lords so that he can keep an eye on these bastards from within. I mean they did that with Doreen Lawrence? He's done a lot more good for others than "Sir" Ed Davey for example - another one that appears to be running and hiding right now.
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I agree.
Anything less than that is not enough.
Yep.
Get him in the Lords.
 
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