Married at First Sight UK #9 Bradley Namaste away from me

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Skellig said:
She is a woman and this isn't the thread for transphobia. It's about a TV show ? Anyway you do you.
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Ella is not a woman. He is a trans woman. There are fundamental differences.

And I don't hate Ella, or wish him any harm. I don't even want him to stop living his life the way he wants. But I will never accept that he's the same as a woman - that's not transphobia its scientific fact.
 
Yes, sorry. So confusing. I’ve just realised there’s a Thomas this year who was the one being discussed!
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I do think the fact that getting into relationships, or even having a shag, can be really difficult for trans people gets shoved under the carpet, when it must have a massive impact on their lives after transition. To talk about the problem gets labelled transphobic, but by transitioning a lot of people are signing up to a world of emotional pain really.
 
Perspicacia Tick said:
Ella is not a woman. He is a trans woman. There are fundamental differences.

And I don't hate Ella, or wish him any harm. I don't even want him to stop living his life the way he wants. But I will never accept that he's the same as a woman - that's not transphobia its scientific fact.
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Of course you don’t, and neither do I. I honestly hope his life is as happy and fulfilling as anyone’s can be.
But there’s a huge, fundamental difference between hoping that trans people are allowed to get on with their lives in the same way that everyone else does, and being compelled to deny reality and sitting silently by while women and children, lesbians and gay men are pushed aside to pander to a tiny, tiny subsection of society.
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Instafamousssss said:
It doesn’t bother me one bit to identify someone as whatever they’ve chosen to be identified as
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Nor should it. But what does bother me is that I should be compelled to comply with the denial of reality.
 
ahtisyourself said:
Am I right in saying we haven’t seen Tasha since she squared up to Erica? It’s such a weird format lately. There used to be dinner parties and commitment ceremonies like every second night and now there’s been neither for over a week, just dining out on stale storylines and dragging the arse of the new couples
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I agree with the format. It was Arthur and Laura that we didn't see much of last night, unless I missed it.
 
thegrumpos said:
Hold on, at no point has Nathaniel said she’s not good enough or to be honest even acted or implied that she isn’t. He’s said she isn’t what he’d usually be attracted to.
That doesn’t mean you aren’t good enough.

She’s such an entitled victim, it’s not a case of deserving better AT ALL. He just doesn’t fancy you!
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he's also said he's pansexual which I believe means he needs to have feelings before he does / can fancy you
 
Miss Begotten said:
It’s not ignorance to call Ella a man. It’s biological fact. Does science seriously make people feel uncomfortable?
Why should “we” be respectful to Ella? Is there something in particular about Ella that means that he is more worthy of respect than anyone else? Has Ella done a single thing to earn any respect ?
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Yeah, but it is ignorant to conflate sex and gender. One’s sex is biological, one’s gender is a social construct. You can’t just say “science” like that’s an end of discussion argument. If your entire argument is “science”, then how would you classify people who are born with XXY or other differing chromosomal combinations as “technically” or “scientifically” they have both XX and XY making them neither “male” or “female”?

Can we get back to MAFS chat instead of turning this into yet another “I get all my info from the Faily Mail” hate thread?
 
iamthecat said:
Yeah, but it is ignorant to conflate sex and gender. One’s sex is biological, one’s gender is a social construct. You can’t just say “science” like that’s an end of discussion argument. If your entire argument is “science”, then how would you classify people who are born with XXY or other differing chromosomal combinations as “technically” or “scientifically” they have both XX and XY making them neither “male” or “female”?

Can we get back to MAFS chat instead of turning this into yet another “I get all my info from the Faily Mail” hate thread?
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Those people are intersex, and intersex people make up an absolutely tiny part of the population. If gender is a social construct, then by your own admission gender is made up bollocks. You cannot feel your way into becoming the opposite sex. It is regressive, the absolute complete opposite of the feminist progression that some people seem to think it is.

Also, if you want the discussion to stop, then why continue the argument? Or is it only one side of the discussion you don't think should be happening?

I don't read the daily mail either, never have in my life. As the daughter of a refugee (ie someone who has known actual oppression), I hate it.

The discussion is relevant to the thread because IMO Ella is getting excused for behaviour that she wouldn't be excused for if she weren't trans.
 
Some people will call Ella a ‘she’, some will call Ella a ‘he’. Both will be wrong to the other party, each person thinking they are correct.

There is no need to be hateful and accuse people of being transphobic when they believe in science. I don’t believe for a second that every person who doesn’t recognise Ella as a woman is trying to troll.

I personally believe Ella to be a man, but in Ella’s company I would respect Ella’s chosen pronouns.
 
Furrytriangle said:
Some people will call Ella a ‘she’, some will call Ella a ‘he’. Both will be wrong to the other party, each person thinking they are correct.

There is no need to be hateful and accuse people of being transphobic when they believe in science. I don’t believe for a second that every person who doesn’t recognise Ella as a woman is trying to troll.

I personally believe Ella to be a man, but in Ella’s company I would respect Ella’s chosen pronouns.
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I'm more than happy to refer to Ella as she, as I have done throughout this thread. But if others don't want to do that that's their prerogative and shouldn't be policed. At the end of the day I can call her she all I like but she's still male and pronouns don't alter that.
 
iamthecat said:
Yeah, but it is ignorant to conflate sex and gender. One’s sex is biological, one’s gender is a social construct. You can’t just say “science” like that’s an end of discussion argument. If your entire argument is “science”, then how would you classify people who are born with XXY or other differing chromosomal combinations as “technically” or “scientifically” they have both XX and XY making them neither “male” or “female”?

Can we get back to MAFS chat instead of turning this into yet another “I get all my info from the Faily Mail” hate thread?
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Im not a Daily Mail reader so I’ll have to take your word for whatever hate filled nonsense it’s peddling.
You do understand that people who are born with XXY chromosomes, or other combinations thereof have absolutely no choice about their biology? They didn’t choose it just because they felt like it. And surely you can see the difference between a person with a chromosomal abnormality and a fully intact man demanding to be called a woman and expecting to be allowed into women’s spaces because he feels like it? I suppose you think lesbians should stop whining and learn to get over girl dick as well?
 
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