Madeleine McCann #7

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BeatsWorkin said:
Wasn't he linked to a missing German girl? That all went quiet. I wondered if they'd found a photo or an item of clothing of madeleine, but surely that would be enough to charge him? He was clearly in the area on 3rd May, a child sex offender and I do think the German police have something else on him as well.
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they initially said they hadn’t charged him because of something about where he lived and which German court, but that was a good few years ago now and surely with a case of this level you’d have sorted it. They did also imply with the initial announcement that they had evidence tying him to the case (or why announce it and announce they knew she was dead?) but then earlier this year they said they had emails tying him to the case and that was the first direct evidence.

I’ll be honest, I’m not convinced the Germans have tit other than that he was in the area at that time. This isn’t saying me he didn’t do it, but I don’t think they’ve got the slightest bit of real evidence he did or he’d have been charged already.
 
Nelly's mum said:
Yes, agreed, MM being abducted as she went looking for her parents puts the onus more on the parents for leaving her.
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This is why I genuinely think they indirectly caused her death no matter what scenario is the true one - they left her and if she wandered out to look for them and fell down a well then that’s 100% on them nobody else, if she was abducted either from wandering to look for them or from the apartment they have to share the blame yes but fundamentally it’s because of them leaving her in an unlocked apartment.

So given the judgement that lies with that is so strong and fairly given, I don’t think they have much of a leg to stand on complaining people think they did it - especially when they lied to the investigators and while people are skeptical of the blood found etc and say there’s no evidence found to incriminate them, save for the German sideline that I’ve mentioned I am skeptical of given nothing solid has happened, there’s also no evidence of an abductor and they are adamant said abductor was in their apartment (so you’d expect some evidence or traces).
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I think the key point for me is that they haven’t shown any remorse. Have they ever said they shouldn’t have left the children alone?
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Not as far as I'm aware.
If one of my children went missing, even if I'd been with them, I'd be beating myself up every single second of the day thinking I could have done something different. Nevermind leaving them home alone and something happening.
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I think the key point for me is that they haven’t shown any remorse. Have they ever said they shouldn’t have left the children alone?
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Astonishingly Gerry is bolshy enough to argue that ‘the abduction’ could still have happened even if they had been in the apartment with the children. The arrogance is off the charts.

‘What’s done is done’ he claims. Which is…. interesting to say the least.

And Kate says yes they felt guilty but only for a couple of days. Breathtaking.

 
PineappleQueen19 said:
Astonishingly Gerry is bolshy enough to argue that ‘the abduction’ could still have happened even if they had been in the apartment with the children. The arrogance is off the charts.

‘What’s done is done’ he claims. Which is…. interesting to say the least.

And Kate says yes they felt guilty but only for a couple of days. Breathtaking.

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This is the first I've ever seen this clip and it's angered me. Can't believe Gerry said "what's is done is done", like if you forgot to put the bin out. And the lesson should be dont leave your kids alone in a apartment. Shocked Kate only felt guilty for the first few days.
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I think the key point for me is that they haven’t shown any remorse. Have they ever said they shouldn’t have left the children alone?
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They have expressed some guilt (as per @PineappleQueen19 video) but nowhere near as much as the time they've spent in interviews justifying their decision.

The justifications they've used over the years include:

- They did checks every 15 / 20 / 30 minutes (the amount of time they say they left between checks has changed over the years) (and this wasn't true of every night btw)
- All 3 children were very sound sleepers (who know this was not true of Maddie as per the sleep chart in their home and Kate's testimony in other videos)
- It was no different to having a BBQ in the back garden while kids are asleep upstairs (erm one's garden is not a public space)
- They could see the children's bedroom window from their table (not true).

Now children do absolutely come to harm in their own homes, for example in the tragic case of Sarah Wells and Jessica Chapman, their parents were outside in the garden and the girls wandered off from inside the house and met the vile monster Ian Huntley. But just because it can happen doesn't give parents carte blanche to be neglectful.

The thing Kate and Gerry have never, ever been able to explain is why they did not take advantage of the Mark Warner babysitting service. At one point in the early days Clarence Mitchell put out the line to the media that it was because they didn't want a stranger looking after their children, but this story withered quickly because, of course, they had all three kids in the daily creche which was also run by strangers.

Personally, as I'd said, I believe Maddie died 24 - 48 hours before she was officially reported missing and that's why the McCanns couldn't have a Mark Warner employee in the apartment - the employee would see that there were only two children remaining, and the abduction story wouldn't pass muster.

I don't know what excuse the McCanns are currently running with on that issue. They don't get asked anymore, not since about 8 years ago when Gerry stormed out of a US (I think?) TV interview for being asked the question.
 
moldwarp said:
They have expressed some guilt (as per @PineappleQueen19 video) but nowhere near as much as the time they've spent in interviews justifying their decision.

The justifications they've used over the years include:

- They did checks every 15 / 20 / 30 minutes (the amount of time they say they left between checks has changed over the years) (and this wasn't true of every night btw)
- All 3 children were very sound sleepers (who know this was not true of Maddie as per the sleep chart in their home and Kate's testimony in other videos)
- It was no different to having a BBQ in the back garden while kids are asleep upstairs (erm one's garden is not a public space)
- They could see the children's bedroom window from their table (not true).

Now children do absolutely come to harm in their own homes, for example in the tragic case of Sarah Wells and Jessica Chapman, their parents were outside in the garden and the girls wandered off from inside the house and met the vile monster Ian Huntley. But just because it can happen doesn't give parents carte blanche to be neglectful.

The thing Kate and Gerry have never, ever been able to explain is why they did not take advantage of the Mark Warner babysitting service. At one point in the early days Clarence Mitchell put out the line to the media that it was because they didn't want a stranger looking after their children, but this story withered quickly because, of course, they had all three kids in the daily creche which was also run by strangers.

Personally, as I'd said, I believe Maddie died 24 - 48 hours before she was officially reported missing and that's why the McCanns couldn't have a Mark Warner employee in the apartment - the employee would see that there were only two children remaining, and the abduction story wouldn't pass muster.

I don't know what excuse the McCanns are currently running with on that issue. They don't get asked anymore, not since about 8 years ago when Gerry stormed out of a US (I think?) TV interview for being asked the question.
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I think they have actually answered the babysitting question- there WAS no babysitting service in the traditional sense but there was a crèche open until 10pm. The fact that they had no buggy to easily transport the tired/sleeping children back to the apartment (then potentially having to do 3x bedtime routines late at night) plus the fact that they didn’t want their established sleep routine disrupted meant they chose from the start not to use this service. Another two parents in the group had an 18 month old with them and did use a baby monitor (I actually don’t know how they think this makes things any safer as you’re not able to physically get to the child quickly despite hearing them. My biggest worry would be a fire breaking out and having to navigate getting back into the building to collect your child, I certainly couldn’t relax enough to eat dinner thinking about that)

Gerry has the typical bull headed arrogance and narcissism that exists in the nature of his profession. He has convinced himself that they are not at fault and I think for the most part, has convinced Kate too.
 
JarvisCockerSpaniel said:
I think they have actually answered the babysitting question- there WAS no babysitting service in the traditional sense but there was a crèche open until 10pm. The fact that they had no buggy to easily transport the tired/sleeping children back to the apartment (then potentially having to do 3x bedtime routines late at night) plus the fact that they didn’t want their established sleep routine disrupted meant they chose from the start not to use this service. Another two parents in the group had an 18 month old with them and did use a baby monitor (I actually don’t know how they think this makes things any safer as you’re not able to physically get to the child quickly despite hearing them. My biggest worry would be a fire breaking out and having to navigate getting back into the building to collect your child, I certainly couldn’t relax enough to eat dinner thinking about that)

Gerry has the typical bull headed arrogance and narcissism that exists in the nature of his profession. He has convinced himself that they are not at fault and I think for the most part, has convinced Kate too.
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The resort said there was a babysitting service but it was individual and you had to pay, £10 per hour - cited in tons of articles as the one below and the reason the McCann’s kept saying they didn’t want to leave them with a stranger

If the McCann’s said there wasn’t initially then that was yet another of their lies about leaving the kids alone before the resort evidently called them out and they switched to the not wanting to leave them with a stranger line.

Madeleine's parents didn't want to leave her with a stranger

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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From an article with someone at the same resort - kids club or a sit in babysitter.

https://amp.12ft.io/https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
 

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I just want the public money tap turned off so the police can’t have their annual trip to Portugal. No other missing child has had so much time and effort spent on them sadly. We will never know what happened to her; I think she died in that apartment. The McCanns and now the met police have taken hundreds of thousands of pounds of govt funds and donations under false pretences. They have defamed the Portuguese police. That at least should be stopped.
 
Vanelope said:
I just want the public money tap turned off so the police can’t have their annual trip to Portugal. No other missing child has had so much time and effort spent on them sadly. We will never know what happened to her; I think she died in that apartment. The McCanns and now the met police have taken hundreds of thousands of pounds of govt funds and donations under false pretences. They have defamed the Portuguese police. That at least should be stopped.
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BIB. It certainly should.

If even a tenth of what has been squandered on this one child had been dedicated to searching for other children who had disappeared since, there might have been a lot more happy endings for those children and their families. As it is, it has been used as a smokescreen for Madeleine's parents.
 
The mcanns have ruined lives accusing random people of being involved. They also used to hijack other people’s appeals for their missing their children had gone missing ( I think it went completely over their heads that these parents may resent them as they hadn’t left their children). Same when they made sure they were front and centre at marches. When have they ever helped or supported other families? They horded all the Donations for mortgage payments etc. if I had been in their position I would have set up a charity in maddies name or given a donation to an existing one which aimed to support parents and families and tried to reunite them with their missing children.
 
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