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VanterreDuPont said:
Can we have an honest discussion about class in our society and how it is baked into every interaction and British born and raised man, woman and child's perception of each other? Class in our country today is as such:

●Monarchy
●Aristocratic
●Peerage
●Business Elite (Normally belonging to the first 3 groups in some capacity also)
●Middle
●Working

I'd say you didn't have the Business Elite and Middle part of the class structure in the UK until as recent as the 18th Century when Empire trade and subsequent opportunities came up for educated men in outside colonies. Before then it was the aristocratic and the common man.

None of the first three groups are or have ever been associated with any identifiable socio-cultural 'Northern mannerisms'. Even as far as Scotland the landed gentry all sound like Southerners because they are historically English educated and raised pointedly to sound that way as a form of class solidarity. As our nation's dominant economic and political power is centralised in London and the immediate areas around it (the South) - the North/Midlands and smaller UK nations such as Wales and Ireland are often not considered real players in the economy. Not since the days of the industrial revolution when the North really had it's golden age. Therefore Southern perception has really always been that people from these places belong to a small middle class to large working but never more.

Famous and/or rich in contemporary Britain are not and have never been the same as being 'Upper Class'. In our country we are taught from childhood, essentially, that you are assigned your class at birth and tend to remain there most of your life. UC marries UC, Middle marries Middle and Working marries Working. This is because we associate certain cultural affinities and norms with each distinct group, even down to how they speak and their surnames.

So while, yes, all across the UK there are examples of wealth - the class structure is rigid and fame/wealth does not change your class in the same way it does in countries like America. The Beckhams are not considered an upper class family in Britain, they are extremely wealthy and famous but they are never perceived as 'upper class'. Neither would Michael Owen's family be.
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VanterreDuPont said:
Can we have an honest discussion about class in our society and how it is baked into every interaction and British born and raised man, woman and child's perception of each other? Class in our country today is as such:

●Monarchy
●Aristocratic
●Peerage
●Business Elite (Normally belonging to the first 3 groups in some capacity also)
●Middle
●Working

I'd say you didn't have the Business Elite and Middle part of the class structure in the UK until as recent as the 18th Century when Empire trade and subsequent opportunities came up for educated men in outside colonies. Before then it was the aristocratic and the common man.

None of the first three groups are or have ever been associated with any identifiable socio-cultural 'Northern mannerisms'. Even as far as Scotland the landed gentry all sound like Southerners because they are historically English educated and raised pointedly to sound that way as a form of class solidarity. As our nation's dominant economic and political power is centralised in London and the immediate areas around it (the South) - the North/Midlands and smaller UK nations such as Wales and Ireland are often not considered real players in the economy. Not since the days of the industrial revolution when the North really had it's golden age. Therefore Southern perception has really always been that people from these places belong to a small middle class to large working but never more.

Famous and/or rich in contemporary Britain are not and have never been the same as being 'Upper Class'. In our country we are taught from childhood, essentially, that you are assigned your class at birth and tend to remain there most of your life. UC marries UC, Middle marries Middle and Working marries Working. This is because we associate certain cultural affinities and norms with each distinct group, even down to how they speak and their surnames.

So while, yes, all across the UK there are examples of wealth - the class structure is rigid and fame/wealth does not change your class in the same way it does in countries like America. The Beckhams are not considered an upper class family in Britain, they are extremely wealthy and famous but they are never perceived as 'upper class'. Neither would Michael Owen's family be.
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😳…you okay?
 
Not Luca making a drama out of a girl he’s known a week saying another lads name. Then Gemma making it an even bigger deal for the Gemma show. I can’t deal with these kids 😂

He doesn’t even like her, he’s just got his eyes on the prize.

I also have really warmed to Davide, he seems a sweet man.
 
Luca is acting EXAAAAACCTLY like my abusive ex did. I’m glad Gemma is pushing back more than I did.

here’s how it usually panned out;

id do something pretty innocuous, he’d throw a strop JUST like the one Luca did. He’s attempt to guilt trip me and out of guilt I’d usually pander to him or do what he wanted to “make it up” to him. I was way too naive.

I’m glad that Gemma is pushing back. I don’t think she sees through the act yet, but at least she didn’t put up with his stropping.

that’s why Luca started smiling and laughing immediately after - it was never about him being upset. He just felt threatened and used a strop to try and manipulate Gemma.

hes such a narc sorry, but he is.
 
cee-bee said:
Luca is acting EXAAAAACCTLY like my abusive ex did. I’m glad Gemma is pushing back more than I did.

here’s how it usually panned out;

id do something pretty innocuous, he’d throw a strop JUST like the one Luca did. He’s attempt to guilt trip me and out of guilt I’d usually pander to him or do what he wanted to “make it up” to him. I was way too naive.

I’m glad that Gemma is pushing back. I don’t think she sees through the act yet, but at least she didn’t put up with his stropping.

that’s why Luca started smiling and laughing immediately after - it was never about him being upset. He just felt threatened and used a strop to try and manipulate Gemma.

hes such a narc sorry, but he is.
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Yes same, I wish 25 year old me was a little more ballsy back then!
 
JombleWomble said:
Luca's reaction was completely disproportionate but Gemma wasn't even facing him as she was apologising, which made it look so insincere. I'm not picking a side here, I think they've both behaved like arseholes 😂
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Completely agree , she was laughing so he probably felt like a dick and was embarrassed, I don't think it's as deep as the majority of the comments on here
 
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