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cmg94x said:
call me crazy but does young michael owen low key look like luca 👀 lollll





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all I ever see when I look at Luca is Herman Munster.
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Notredamn said:
There will be plenty of northerners who don’t like his accent, rest assured 😂 regional accents are UK-wide, not just divided into 2: the North and South.
Don’t really know about the class thing, as the working class cockney jack-the-lad stereotype is never depicted as wealthy. Upper, middle and lower classes live everywhere.
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Can we have an honest discussion about class in our society and how it is baked into every interaction and British born and raised man, woman and child's perception of each other? Class in our country today is as such:

●Monarchy
●Aristocratic
●Peerage
●Business Elite (Normally belonging to the first 3 groups in some capacity also)
●Middle
●Working

I'd say you didn't have the Business Elite and Middle part of the class structure in the UK until as recent as the 18th Century when Empire trade and subsequent opportunities came up for educated men in outside colonies. Before then it was the aristocratic and the common man.

None of the first three groups are or have ever been associated with any identifiable socio-cultural 'Northern mannerisms'. Even as far as Scotland the landed gentry all sound like Southerners because they are historically English educated and raised pointedly to sound that way as a form of class solidarity. As our nation's dominant economic and political power is centralised in London and the immediate areas around it (the South) - the North/Midlands and smaller UK nations such as Wales and Ireland are often not considered real players in the economy. Not since the days of the industrial revolution when the North really had it's golden age. Therefore Southern perception has really always been that people from these places belong to a small middle class to large working but never more.

Famous and/or rich in contemporary Britain are not and have never been the same as being 'Upper Class'. In our country we are taught from childhood, essentially, that you are assigned your class at birth and tend to remain there most of your life. UC marries UC, Middle marries Middle and Working marries Working. This is because we associate certain cultural affinities and norms with each distinct group, even down to how they speak and their surnames.

So while, yes, all across the UK there are examples of wealth - the class structure is rigid and fame/wealth does not change your class in the same way it does in countries like America. The Beckhams are not considered an upper class family in Britain, they are extremely wealthy and famous but they are never perceived as 'upper class'. Neither would Michael Owen's family be.
 
VanterreDuPont said:
Can we have an honest discussion about class in our society and how it is baked into every interaction and British born and raised man, woman and child's perception of each other? Class in our country today is as such:

●Monarchy
●Aristocratic
●Peerage
●Business Elite (Normally belonging to the first 3 groups in some capacity also)
●Middle
●Working

I'd say you didn't have the Business Elite and Middle part of the class structure in the UK until as recent as the 18th Century when Empire trade and subsequent opportunities came up for educated men in outside colonies. Before then it was the aristocratic and the common man.

None of the first three groups are or have ever been associated with any identifiable socio-cultural 'Northern mannerisms'. Even as far as Scotland the landed gentry all sound like Southerners because they are historically English educated and raised pointedly to sound that way as a form of class solidarity. As our nation's dominant economic and political power is centralised in London and the immediate areas around it (the South) - the North/Midlands and smaller UK nations such as Wales and Ireland are often not considered real players in the economy. Not since the days of the industrial revolution when the North really had it's golden age. Therefore Southern perception has really always been that people from these places belong to a small middle class to large working but never more.

Famous and/or rich in contemporary Britain are not and have never been the same as being 'Upper Class'. In our country we are taught from childhood, essentially, that you are assigned your class at birth and tend to remain there most of your life. UC marries UC, Middle marries Middle and Working marries Working. This is because we associate certain cultural affinities and norms with each distinct group, even down to how they speak and their surnames.

So while, yes, all across the UK there are examples of wealth - the class structure is rigid and fame/wealth does not change your class in the same way it does in countries like America. The Beckhams are not considered an upper class family in Britain, they are extremely wealthy and famous but they are never perceived as 'upper class'. Neither would Michael Owen's family be.
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Chile I haven’t got the time to read this essay
 
VanterreDuPont said:
Can we have an honest discussion about class in our society and how it is baked into every interaction and British born and raised man, woman and child's perception of each other? Class in our country today is as such:

●Monarchy
●Aristocratic
●Peerage
●Business Elite (Normally belonging to the first 3 groups in some capacity also)
●Middle
●Working

I'd say you didn't have the Business Elite and Middle part of the class structure in the UK until as recent as the 18th Century when Empire trade and subsequent opportunities came up for educated men in outside colonies. Before then it was the aristocratic and the common man.

None of the first three groups are or have ever been associated with any identifiable socio-cultural 'Northern mannerisms'. Even as far as Scotland the landed gentry all sound like Southerners because they are historically English educated and raised pointedly to sound that way as a form of class solidarity. As our nation's dominant economic and political power is centralised in London and the immediate areas around it (the South) - the North/Midlands and smaller UK nations such as Wales and Ireland are often not considered real players in the economy. Not since the days of the industrial revolution when the North really had it's golden age. Therefore Southern perception has really always been that people from these places belong to a small middle class to large working but never more.

Famous and/or rich in contemporary Britain are not and have never been the same as being 'Upper Class'. In our country we are taught from childhood, essentially, that you are assigned your class at birth and tend to remain there most of your life. UC marries UC, Middle marries Middle and Working marries Working. This is because we associate certain cultural affinities and norms with each distinct group, even down to how they speak and their surnames.

So while, yes, all across the UK there are examples of wealth - the class structure is rigid and fame/wealth does not change your class in the same way it does in countries like America. The Beckhams are not considered an upper class family in Britain, they are extremely wealthy and famous but they are never perceived as 'upper class'. Neither would Michael Owen's family be.
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Had to double check I was on the right thread then
 
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