Liam Payne #3

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Milking Keynes said:
I think the timeline is concerning. If he collapsed in the lobby area and showed evidence of drugs/alcohol, wouldn’t the first thing you do take him to a private room - off the lobby area - and contact the hotel medic to supervise while you call an ambulance. What was the point in taking him back to his room? Who was in the room at that time? I’m not coming up with conspiracy theories but surely there is a protocol in place in every hotel that should be followed if a patron is in an unfit state? This all looks sketchy at best especially now we know at least two members of staff were supplying the drugs.

So, from his semi-conscious state in the lobby, we go to a room where he falls to his death at the time of the 911 call that basically predicts his death from the balcony?
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The hotel workers are poorly paid and not trained to deal with someone high causing problems in the public areas. The most they can really do is put him in his room and call for medics like they did. They've probably had lots of similar situations that didn't result in a death. I get what youre saying but I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do any more than they did especially as it was the night staff on.
 
Dame Christine Bleakley said:
The hotel workers are poorly paid and not trained to deal with someone high causing problems in the public areas. The most they can really do is put him in his room and call for medics like they did. They've probably had lots of similar situations that didn't result in a death. I get what youre saying but I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do any more than they did especially as it was the night staff on.
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It was late afternoon, not night, when Liam fell.
 
Milking Keynes said:
I think the timeline is concerning. If he collapsed in the lobby area and showed evidence of drugs/alcohol, wouldn’t the first thing you do take him to a private room - off the lobby area - and contact the hotel medic to supervise while you call an ambulance. What was the point in taking him back to his room? Who was in the room at that time? I’m not coming up with conspiracy theories but surely there is a protocol in place in every hotel that should be followed if a patron is in an unfit state? This all looks sketchy at best especially now we know at least two members of staff were supplying the drugs.

So, from his semi-conscious state in the lobby, we go to a room where he falls to his death at the time of the 911 call that basically predicts his death from the balcony?
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100% this and I was kinda saying the same thing the other day, before getting a bit of shite back! Not a conspiracist but it just doesnt add up/make sense!
 
Dame Christine Bleakley said:
The hotel workers are poorly paid and not trained to deal with someone high causing problems in the public areas. The most they can really do is put him in his room and call for medics like they did. They've probably had lots of similar situations that didn't result in a death. I get what youre saying but I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do any more than they did especially as it was the night staff on.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t convulsing almost like seizures? You wouldn’t move a person who is having seizures on a normal basis due to the risk of choking and injury to themselves, even if they’d woken up and come round you would advise them not to move or at the very least seat them somewhere safe until medics arrived and you absolutely wouldn’t isolate them in a room on their own, balcony or no balcony. So why did they think it would be a good idea to do it to him? He was unconscious when they carried him back to his room by all accounts so they did that to him before he became aggressive and smashed up his room so there are no excuses IMO. They more than likely just wanted to protect the reputation of the hotel, because in a high end establishment full of guests, a convulsing celebrity guest high off his head on drugs isn’t going to bring them good reviews is it.
 
evoway13 said:
If he’d fallen onto concrete, the injuries would have been so traumatic that he would have had to be identified by tattoos. Looking at the image of his legs- his jeans have a dark stain around the lower leg and maybe suffered an open fracture of the left leg. Post mortem indicates a lot of internal bleeding - so ….??? Rib/spinal fractures. I’m glad he was out of it before he passed away
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I didn’t notice that about the leg. That’s interesting
 
MooBug said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t convulsing almost like seizures? You wouldn’t move a person who is having seizures on a normal basis due to the risk of choking and injury to themselves, even if they’d woken up and come round you would advise them not to move or at the very least seat them somewhere safe until medics arrived and you absolutely wouldn’t isolate them in a room on their own, balcony or no balcony. So why did they think it would be a good idea to do it to him? He was unconscious when they carried him back to his room by all accounts so they did that to him before he became aggressive and smashed up his room so there are no excuses IMO. They more than likely just wanted to protect the reputation of the hotel, because in a high end establishment full of guests, a convulsing celebrity guest high off his head on drugs isn’t going to bring them good reviews is it.
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And possibly protect staff who'd supplied the drugs!?
 
There’s lots that don’t make sense to me. A witness who said he seen him in the lobby said he heard him arguing loudly with a friend earlier that day and heard “primal” like screaming, who was this person? And then reports that there were prostitutes there from 10-4 and he refused to pay them and then an hour later he’s dead. Also reports he was shouting in the lobby offering a woman money who looked “uncomfortable” . The escorts said he wasn’t taking drugs during that time. Did all this happen in the lobby in the last hour or was he leaving the escorts in the room and coming up and down. Lots of stories don’t make sense
 
I thought the 'prostitutes visiting' had been debunked, and the women were the ones supplying him with the drugs he had requested. I'm sure I read on here that drug dealers use attractive women to deliver the drugs because they are less likely to be apprehended, and if they are, they can claim to be sex workers booked by the hotel guest.

I think the hotel staff were keen to get him away from the public gaze, but taking him to his room was a bad move. I doubt we'll ever know what happened between Liam being returned to his room and Liam falling from the balcony.
 
I truly think that the hotel were very aware of who supplied the drugs and potentially concerned about the repercussions regarding it hence why they didn’t ring the police/ambulance intially. Also I wonder if it’s because he was a celebrity too, if he was able to walk around and use his laptop he was also able to say ‘don’t call the police’. It just brings unwanted negative attention to both the hotel, and him. But I think they felt they had no choice once he was in the hotel room and they could hear him smashing things perhaps.
he was failed from all directions I think. But at the same time, if you know an addict you’ll know they will only get better when they want to. It’s just a sad sad situation.
 
Lurkerlove said:
I’m sorry if this has already been mentioned but has anyone seen Katie Waissel Twitter/X account? Looks like she’s about to take a deep dive!
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She's using Liam's tragic death to generate some publicity for revealing the truth behind the X Factor. Personally I think she should wait a bit longer before doing this. Let people grieve for Liam first. Just my opinion.
 
Murfy said:
There’s lots that don’t make sense to me. A witness who said he seen him in the lobby said he heard him arguing loudly with a friend earlier that day and heard “primal” like screaming, who was this person? And then reports that there were prostitutes there from 10-4 and he refused to pay them and then an hour later he’s dead. Also reports he was shouting in the lobby offering a woman money who looked “uncomfortable” . The escorts said he wasn’t taking drugs during that time. Did all this happen in the lobby in the last hour or was he leaving the escorts in the room and coming up and down. Lots of stories don’t make sense
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Also how come there are so many pics of him from that day just lounging about and doing normal things, but none of him being argumentative or convulsing or smashing things up. I think many of the details have been overblown for tabloid fodder tbh. Dead people can’t sue so sadly it’s open season where the press are concerned
 
ahtisyourself said:
Also how come there are so many pics of him from that day just lounging about and doing normal things, but none of him being argumentative or convulsing or smashing things up. I think many of the details have been overblown for tabloid fodder tbh. Dead people can’t sue so sadly it’s open season where the press are concerned
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Yes this! Very convenient there’s no video or photos of him supposedly acting crazy taken by the woman who saw him. But her account actually never says he’s acting aggressive - only the hotel on the phone to the emergency services. She says he was acting like a big star, that he fell over and was holding his laptop by the corner of it and smashed it. Absolutely none of it makes sense to me either. In her pictures he seems normal. Also surely you wouldn’t contaminate the scene by moving umbrellas around to try and cover him either? That bit has bothered me. How is that the first thought “Oh we moved things around so guests couldn’t see” but there’s someone dead and it’ll need to be reported and recorded? It seems the police thought it strange too as there was an article saying they’d made the staff go over and over accounts and act out what happened. I think there’s definitely more to it than has been reported as the hotel knew who had given him drugs. Which according to reports is a cleaner and another man who has now been fired. It was also initially reported the hotel manager arranged the women for him. The family friend interviewed by the DM said the hotel staff took advantage of him as soon as he arrived and that he didn’t have any cash and his credit cards weren’t working so would be unable to pay for drugs or women. It’s just so tragic and all of it seems to be so easily avoided which makes it even worse. The fact that the most people do these days to help is get their phones out to take photos rather than call an ambulance is horrendous 😔
 
troutpout69 said:
I’ve just read through all the threads and what’s so sad was how many people were saying it wasn’t going to end well with him and here we are! Also loads of people ripped into him and he was the butt of so many jokes. Poor bloke!
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I feel the same. I’m way too old to be a 1d fan. Just feel sad after last week and I can’t rationalise why. Never really paid attention to him before beyond the kid having a kid with Cheryl. I read through the earlier posts and lots of predictions of a bad ending. Lots of commentary over him clinging to his fame and how cringe he was. It’s just all so bloody sad and wasteful. Im sure those who loved him have done nothing but try to help him. I have experience with addiction- my dad is an alcoholic. It’s tough. I felt a bit ashamed this morning reading the posts. Hope he knew how loved he was despite being eaten up and chewed out he was by the cess pit that is celebrity culture.
 
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