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justcryitoutmama
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Long term lurker on another thread here… But I saw the anonymous message calling her smug and figured she must have a tattle page so couldn’t resist
Her courses are an absolute con. I bought the 0-5 and 6-9 while I was pregnant when she was banging on about being “gentle” and “responsive”, I genuinely didn’t think she was a CIO sleep trainer! The 0-5 doesn’t contain anything more than what you can find for free, the section on the 4 month regression was a joke, essentially saying it won’t be an issue if your baby can fall asleep independently but NEWSFLASH that is a crock of tit. My baby could fall asleep independently, we practised since he was about 6 weeks old because she made me believe it was the holy grail of baby sleep so I missed out on so many newborn sleepy cuddles
obviously the 4 month regression his us like a ton of bricks anyway. Fast forward to 6 months and I was relieved that I could start the next course and ‘fix’ his (perfectly normal) sleep with her magic methods only to find out it’s glorified (simplified!!!) Ferber. I felt so cheated! Not leaving them to cry you say Rosey? Lies. Not to mention the fact the courses clearly haven’t been proofread (so many grammar errors), are full of holes (give baby a comforter but take it away when they’re asleep so then they can’t recreate those falling asleep conditions on waking which is apparently paramount? Baby needs to be eating 3 solid meals a day, what 6 month old is? Many 7, 8, 9 month olds aren’t) and clearly not evidence based. Just absolute bullshit and it makes me so angry that she’s constantly pushing her courses down the throats of exhausted parents!
So if traditional sleep training isn’t your thing, don’t buy her course, give Lyndsey Hookway a follow on insta, she’s a paediatric nurse/health visitor/IBCLC (so actually qualified and knows the evidence, or lack of, inside out) and has written multiple brilliant books. Also secondstartotheright_sleep and littlenestsleep for normalising infant sleep and gentle tips. And if you do want to sleep train, don’t line that witch’s pockets, just look up Ferber on google
attaching her 6-9 suggested routine and settling methods in case anyone is interested
Her courses are an absolute con. I bought the 0-5 and 6-9 while I was pregnant when she was banging on about being “gentle” and “responsive”, I genuinely didn’t think she was a CIO sleep trainer! The 0-5 doesn’t contain anything more than what you can find for free, the section on the 4 month regression was a joke, essentially saying it won’t be an issue if your baby can fall asleep independently but NEWSFLASH that is a crock of tit. My baby could fall asleep independently, we practised since he was about 6 weeks old because she made me believe it was the holy grail of baby sleep so I missed out on so many newborn sleepy cuddles
obviously the 4 month regression his us like a ton of bricks anyway. Fast forward to 6 months and I was relieved that I could start the next course and ‘fix’ his (perfectly normal) sleep with her magic methods only to find out it’s glorified (simplified!!!) Ferber. I felt so cheated! Not leaving them to cry you say Rosey? Lies. Not to mention the fact the courses clearly haven’t been proofread (so many grammar errors), are full of holes (give baby a comforter but take it away when they’re asleep so then they can’t recreate those falling asleep conditions on waking which is apparently paramount? Baby needs to be eating 3 solid meals a day, what 6 month old is? Many 7, 8, 9 month olds aren’t) and clearly not evidence based. Just absolute bullshit and it makes me so angry that she’s constantly pushing her courses down the throats of exhausted parents! So if traditional sleep training isn’t your thing, don’t buy her course, give Lyndsey Hookway a follow on insta, she’s a paediatric nurse/health visitor/IBCLC (so actually qualified and knows the evidence, or lack of, inside out) and has written multiple brilliant books. Also secondstartotheright_sleep and littlenestsleep for normalising infant sleep and gentle tips. And if you do want to sleep train, don’t line that witch’s pockets, just look up Ferber on google
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Beepbopbooploopdoop
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Yes yes yes to all this! I was you not too long ago and STUPIDLY bought the 0-5 and 6-9. Honestly she is brilliant at making you feel like a failure. How she doesn't even know the bare minimum of normal baby sleep is beyond me considering her 'job'. Absolute piece of tit woman she is.Long term lurker on another thread here… But I saw the anonymous message calling her smug and figured she must have a tattle page so couldn’t resist
Her courses are an absolute con. I bought the 0-5 and 6-9 while I was pregnant when she was banging on about being “gentle” and “responsive”, I genuinely didn’t think she was a CIO sleep trainer! The 0-5 doesn’t contain anything more than what you can find for free, the section on the 4 month regression was a joke, essentially saying it won’t be an issue if your baby can fall asleep independently but NEWSFLASH that is a crock of tit. My baby could fall asleep independently, we practised since he was about 6 weeks old because she made me believe it was the holy grail of baby sleep so I missed out on so many newborn sleepy cuddles
So if traditional sleep training isn’t your thing, don’t buy her course, give Lyndsey Hookway a follow on insta, she’s a paediatric nurse/health visitor/IBCLC (so actually qualified and knows the evidence, or lack of, inside out) and has written multiple brilliant books. Also secondstartotheright_sleep and littlenestsleep for normalising infant sleep and gentle tips. And if you do want to sleep train, don’t line that witch’s pockets, just look up Ferber on google
Possibly fox and moon sleep?
Beepbopbooploopdoop
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Little nest sleep. I really like her account and she's also the one Rosie accused of ripping people apart on a Friday. She doesn't, she just takes apart the tit that Rosie and other CIO sleep 'consultants' say
I can’t believe those screenshots. She says all the time she doesn’t do strict routines and that moms should get out lots n b flexible but it looks like you can only leave your house for an hour in the morning and maybe briefly at the end of the day?! What the duck!
it’s way more cry-it-out than I thought it would be too!!! She’s such a liar!
it’s way more cry-it-out than I thought it would be too!!! She’s such a liar!
justcryitoutmama
Member
Yep. It’s nothing like what you would expect given all she posts and talks about. There must be tons of disgruntled pissed off parents who’ve wasted money but what can you do? Where do all her rave reviews come from?!
shoppingismycardio
Chatty Member
Check her Facebook page there are a few funny ones from disgruntled customers I’m actually shocked she left them up tbh! Its is mostly people kissing her arse tho
Long term lurker on another thread here… But I saw the anonymous message calling her smug and figured she must have a tattle page so couldn’t resist
Her courses are an absolute con. I bought the 0-5 and 6-9 while I was pregnant when she was banging on about being “gentle” and “responsive”, I genuinely didn’t think she was a CIO sleep trainer! The 0-5 doesn’t contain anything more than what you can find for free, the section on the 4 month regression was a joke, essentially saying it won’t be an issue if your baby can fall asleep independently but NEWSFLASH that is a crock of tit. My baby could fall asleep independently, we practised since he was about 6 weeks old because she made me believe it was the holy grail of baby sleep so I missed out on so many newborn sleepy cuddles
So if traditional sleep training isn’t your thing, don’t buy her course, give Lyndsey Hookway a follow on insta, she’s a paediatric nurse/health visitor/IBCLC (so actually qualified and knows the evidence, or lack of, inside out) and has written multiple brilliant books. Also secondstartotheright_sleep and littlenestsleep for normalising infant sleep and gentle tips. And if you do want to sleep train, don’t line that witch’s pockets, just look up Ferber on google
I’m so surprised this is the routine and methods she suggests.The way she lures people in is she implies she doesn’t do cry it out but effectively it is. It also seems like a strict and rigid routine.
thegirlwho2020
VIP Member
Wow - I mean she really does say she doesnt believe in CIO a lot - but there in black and white it shows she is obviously very pro it. I mean each to their own but I knew that route was never for me and i had an inkling she was pro it more than she lets on. I love the other accounts you mentioned so I think most of us are on the same page. I hate the way she thinks having more followers than other sleep accts justifies the way she talks about them. Shes just a witch lets be honest
shoppingismycardio
Chatty Member
what did little nest sleep even say about Rosie to incur her wrath? (Not that it seems to take much)
blocknroll
Chatty Member
CIO/ graduated CIO are legitimate sleep training methods. It’s not for everyone but no one should be shamed if they use it. What the problem is, is that just_chill_mama (and others) 1. Pretend their methods don’t use it when they do 2. Sell you something that you can Google very easily for yourself. Looking at those PDFs, there’s absolutely nothing you wouldn’t learn if you look up the Ferber method.
She is making sure all the vulnerable sleep deprived mums that follow Olivia know she is responsible for the 6 hours sleep. Interesting she says that Olivia paid for her course and it wasn’t gifted or a paid ad. She says she never had to pay for celebs to mention her and that it was all natural and organic. I don’t believe that I bet they pay at a discounted price or something sly. Influencers are devious.Just chill mama klaxon over on Olivia Bowen’s stories againChrist she’s an instahun stalker isn’t she.
foxcubs1000
Well-known member
She’s fawning over and congratulating a woman who just basically sold her child’s confidential, private medical information to millions. Disgusting.
justcryitoutmama
Member
Anyone else cringing so hard at her recent reels 
Toffeebythesea
VIP Member
So I used to find her sleep advice really useful when I had my daughter in 2016. Flash forward to my recent newborn and WOW she's a twit. She preys on rich or celeb pregnant women by commenting, or on celebs with newborns. She barely gives any free advice anymore. There are ssoooooo many amazing insta sleep coaches now who give you so much free stuff as well as AFFORDABLE sleep guides that are up to date and not so old fashioned and based on the real science of sleep (my new fav is cozybabysleep but we all love takingcarababies too). Long story short, she's pretentious and like others have said it's all about business rather than actually helping people.