Johnny Depp and Amber Heard #11

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Suecee said:
Growing up with a mother not dissimilar to AH, I cannot believe all women. This has nothing to do with dissing the sisterhood, but growing up tangled in the lies of a mentally ill woman.
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🥺 I feel you. This is one thing I have been so grateful to know from these threads, I thought it was rarer, thank you to all of you who are braving this out, it really helps. #metoo

tit, I need a tissue and a group hug and I feckin hate them! Someone tell me a Monty joke pronto!
 
Dotty Merton said:
🥺 I feel you. This is one thing I have been so grateful to know from these threads, I thought it was rarer, thank you to all of you who are braving this out, it really helps. #metoo

tit, I need a tissue and a group hug and I feckin hate them! Someone tell me a Monty joke pronto!
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Dotty Merton said:
🥺 I feel you. This is one thing I have been so grateful to know from these threads, I thought it was rarer, thank you to all of you who are braving this out, it really helps. #metoo

tit, I need a tissue and a group hug and I feckin hate them! Someone tell me a Monty joke pronto!
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Don't say I never give you anything Mrs M 😉
 

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Notworthy said:
As the Mother of a Son I'm 100% not on the believe women wagon. I'm on the investigate all allegations thoroughly with no preconceptions wagon. History is littered with miscarriages of justice because the people investigating decided the result and tried to make the evidence fit.
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I mean… history isn’t really littered with that many injustices for DV because in the U.K. it was only the 00s that domestic abuse was properly legislated for, and marital rape only became illegal in the 90s. If anything history is one big gaping silence on this topic because women had no real recourse open to them.

For centuries/millenia throughout the world it was acceptable, legal and expected of men to hit and control women through violence (Hallie Rubenfold explores this a lot in her books and podcast for anyone interesteded).

so if anything maybe teach your son to give women the benefit of the doubt, because domestic violence is by its very nature, hidden (and ergo doesn’t leave a huge evidence trail) shrouded in shame and the vast majority of women don’t just accuse people for the craic. Amber heard is a tiny, tiny minority.
 
When Whitney testified, among other things, she said that Johnny always carried a pocket knife,

What's the odds Amber's team claim that the pocket knife on the bed is his.

And that he used it to damage the bed while Amber was unconscious?
 
cee-bee said:
I mean… history isn’t really littered with that many injustices for DV
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What a novel view.

The history of the Lunacy Act of 1845 suggests you might be a tad wrong.

Oh and the film Gaslight specifically made the female character the one being gaslit in order to shock the audience. Because in practice, for obvious reasons, gaslighting was something done by women to men (sometimes for quite benign and useful reasons: like getting a drunken husband admitted to a lunatic asylum)
 
knickerbocker glory said:
I wonder why it's not done with a 50/50 selection?
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In the US you can pick your jury our of a jurors pool. So for example 50 jurors get summonsed and the attorneys choice which jurors they want to use. I think they get 10 challenges each to strike off a juror. It's a big business in America and in big cases you will have jury experts who will help a side pick the best jury for a case. They may be a body language expert etc.... and they will help pick jurors for the defence or prosecution.
 
cee-bee said:
I mean… history isn’t really littered with that many injustices for DV because in the U.K. it was only the 00s that domestic abuse was properly legislated for, and marital rape only became illegal in the 90s. If anything history is one big gaping silence on this topic because women had no real recourse open to them.

For centuries/millenia throughout the world it was acceptable, legal and expected of men to hit and control women through violence (Hallie Rubenfold explores this a lot in her books and podcast for anyone interesteded).

so if anything maybe teach your son to give women the benefit of the doubt, because domestic violence is by its very nature, hidden (and ergo doesn’t leave a huge evidence trail) shrouded in shame and the vast majority of women don’t just accuse people for the craic. Amber heard is a tiny, tiny minority.
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It depends on the period of history and also the country, what kind of legislation was in place and so on. So, one cannot issue blanket statements that "for centuries/millennia throughout the world" when it is not true. It is similar to the erroneous view that medieval people had bad hygiene or that they worked more hours than modern people or slept the same way we do (they had biphasic sleep mostly).

I'd recommend looking into the research carried out over recent decades. For example,
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

FEMALE PERPETRATION OF VIOLENCE IN HETEROSEXUAL INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS: ADOLESCENCE THROUGH ADULTHOOD

This article critically reviews 62 empirical studies that examine the prevalence of female perpetrated intimate partner violence across three distinct populations (adolescents, college students, and adults). All studies were published between 1996 and ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Quoting:
In recent years, researchers have begun to extend this body of research to examine the female perpetration of violence in intimate relationships. There is increasing evidence to suggest that women commit as much or more IPV as men (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10989615/, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0093854803030003004).


Recent empirical and theoretical reviews (Archer, 2000, 2002; Dutton, 1994; Dutton & Nicholls, in press; Felson, 2002; Fiebert, 2004; George, 1999, 2003; Nicholls & Dutton, 2001; Straus, 1999) provide compelling evidence that the rates of victimization and perpetration are similar among men and women in intimate relationships and the severity of violence and resulting harm is most often minor (Dutton, 1998; Ehrensaft et al., 2004; Johnson, 1995; Makepeace, 1986). Furthermore, evidence is amassing that contradicts the notion that women’s aggression is primarily in self-defense against abusive male partners.


This could also be an interesting read:


Dotty Merton said:
Do we know when/how they choose who stays and who is backups? backup incase one does a runner with an Alpaca? Bit of an odd system, stay and listen, but nahhh we might not use you! Do they get recompense for being there rather than work?
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I think it is also a backup for when one of them gets ill or gets compromised (is caught talking to people involved in the case or chasing the #AmberTurd hashtag on Twitter).
 
Dotty Merton said:
Do we know when/how they choose who stays and who is backups? backup incase one does a runner with an Alpaca? Bit of an odd system, stay and listen, but nahhh we might not use you! Do they get recompense for being there rather than work?
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Apparently they draw lots.

It isn't that odd of a system, as it's a long trial, and they have already lost one of the jurors due to illness.
 
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