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Bet he is feeling very bitter tonight, cause Dianne is out for dinner and drinks with all the other pros and he's sitting at home alone.
Caspar has publicly been pleased for Saffron. Seems he’s out with a group of them too, and no Joe.

He liked this on twitter yesterday. How much more cockycan one get..make up your mind J is either you want to be 'famous' or not. Apparently he is ' famous in his own right' in his head.

Also not to be mean because everyone on this planet has a battle with their mental health at some point. Some more than others.
I've noticed that for some commenters it's ok to 'bash' one person but not the other ( I call it critiquing what they put out there) to me it's ok to have criticism that's the only way to change if you need to or to remain the same. Not everything is bullying and when something is announced all the comments will come at once. Stop with the bullying word and just understand it's just an opinion. I can't stand any youtuber so is it fair to say I don't care for Saffron Barker so just like how I critique Joe I critique her... Why bring mental health into this....if so shouldn't this thread be affecting Joe's mental health too? It's just a big contradiction for those who openly critique others then worry when someone else is critiquing who you may like. No one is above critique and if they don't want to see saffron then so be it (the minions). The way they go about it is rude however I don't feel sorry for any of these lieing extra YouTubers. Saffron teenage fans are giving it back and the j+d fans plus are battling only with them. I say let all them vile teenagers battle it out to the end. Enough of teenage fans in general for everyone I can't stand them. So no don't feel sorry for saffron she knew this might happen no one forced her and they are simply critiques/opinions. We are too fragile these days I can't understand it. Free speech is no more
I don’t think anyone minds the fans critiquing Saffron and I doubt any of us are Saffron fans. It was stuff like threatening to ‘brake’ her legs and trying to actually get her fired before she’s even danced that was ott of them.

Bash away at her for her tit videos etc but I don’t see anyone on this thread threatening joe the way they have.
 
Caspar has publicly been pleased for Saffron. Seems he’s out with a group of them too, and no Joe.


I don’t think anyone minds the fans critiquing Saffron and I doubt any of us are Saffron fans. It was stuff like threatening to ‘brake’ her legs and trying to actually get her fired before she’s even danced that was ott of them.

Bash away at her for her tit videos etc but I don’t see anyone on this thread threatening joe the way they have.


I havent seen anyone threatening her life as of yet. Thats not nice but i still dont think its bullying thats just a nasty vile opinion. As i said all the teenage fans are disgusting. Worrying about her "mental health" over the usual nasty comments these children say well thats a stretch. WE all know her life is not in danger so why should we take those comments seriously. They are nasty but bringing up the mental health thing like how zoe brings up anxiety gets an eye roll from me. Thanks for your view
 
He liked this on twitter yesterday. How much more cockycan one get..make up your mind J is either you want to be 'famous' or not. Apparently he is ' famous in his own right' in his head.

Also not to be mean because everyone on this planet has a battle with their mental health at some point. Some more than others.
I've noticed that for some commenters it's ok to 'bash' one person but not the other ( I call it critiquing what they put out there) to me it's ok to have criticism that's the only way to change if you need to or to remain the same. Not everything is bullying and when something is announced all the comments will come at once. Stop with the bullying word and just understand it's just an opinion. I can't stand any youtuber so is it fair to say I don't care for Saffron Barker so just like how I critique Joe I critique her... Why bring mental health into this....if so shouldn't this thread be affecting Joe's mental health too? It's just a big contradiction for those who openly critique others then worry when someone else is critiquing who you may like. No one is above critique and if they don't want to see saffron then so be it (the minions). The way they go about it is rude however I don't feel sorry for any of these lieing extra YouTubers. Saffron teenage fans are giving it back and the j+d fans plus are battling only with them. I say let all them vile teenagers battle it out to the end. Enough of teenage fans in general for everyone I can't stand them. So no don't feel sorry for saffron she knew this might happen no one forced her and they are simply critiques/opinions. We are too fragile these days I can't understand it. Free speech is no more
The difference is though that I never once saw a threat of violence or even half the tit of hate towards joe that saffron is getting. I don’t like her, but it’s not nice to see a young girl recieve death threats and physical threats. I wouldn’t say it’s battling with them when people are saying they want to actually hurt/harm her, that’s going too far in my opinion...

Caspar has publicly been pleased for Saffron. Seems he’s out with a group of them too, and no Joe.


I don’t think anyone minds the fans critiquing Saffron and I doubt any of us are Saffron fans. It was stuff like threatening to ‘brake’ her legs and trying to actually get her fired before she’s even danced that was ott of them.

Bash away at her for her tit videos etc but I don’t see anyone on this thread threatening joe the way they have.
For someone who used to be with his friends pretty much 24/7, it’s crazy to see how much joe has isolated himself from them now. I understand during strictly because he was genuinely busy, but I honestly think he saw more of them during strictly than he has in the last 7 months since it ended
 
I havent seen anyone threatening her life as of yet. Thats not nice but i still dont think its bullying thats just a nasty vile opinion. As i said all the teenage fans are disgusting. Worrying about her "mental health" over the usual nasty comments these children say well thats a stretch. WE all know her life is not in danger so why should we take those comments seriously. They are nasty but bringing up the mental health thing like how zoe brings up anxiety gets an eye roll from me. Thanks for your view
I never mentioned mental health. I just laughed at how pathetic the fans were and said joe could reign them in a little by supporting a fellow youtuber.
 
As I mentioned before I was not aware of the 'death threats'
Some of the tweets have been awful. People preach about mental health and then have done nothing but tear her down since she was announced, saw someone tweet they were going to strangle themselves with fairy lights from saffron’s range 🙄 (Wendy is her mum btw)


I’m actually quite shocked that he hasn’t, even though he will be boiling inside I thought he would put on a false happy act for her. Even his friends are congratulating her


Youtube gossip you have in fact NOT said anything about mental health and I also did not say you did. You commented on my opinion that i was speaking about the " people preach about mental health" statement amongst other elusion of mental health worries by others over many a thread on tattle- i was not saying either you or bdy was saying that's how you feel. But you have since made it known you think its too far I agree. She was making a point to say how society in general nowadays talk about mental health so much and i was giving my opinion on that subject in general in relation to this topic. I hope that provides clarity. Also "mental health attack" is relative isn't it. Joe is such a soft touch that i can 100 percent guarantee to him this thread would not be good for his "mental health". Anyone would hate a difference of opinion of them self online. Physical attacks are getting out of hand. In that screenshot I have seen many a tweet on those lines previous year. Verbal attacks about his character and his " content" im sure someone out there would compare the two ( physical threats and verbal disdain) and thats my point. Opinions are mainly what it is. They have definitely gone too far and they have been nasty about Pasquale about Ashley and were saying violent things back then if she won as well. Ashley is still alive and kicking I notice the pattern and im just saying saffron take those really vile nasty comments with a grain of salt. Even if she did redo the same type of reaction videos saying im gonna brake her leg which i just saw the screenshot ( nasty fans) is really disgusting but has no meaning until someone tries to break her leg (get a restraining order girl! lol). I still understand where you are coming from but meh welcome to "famous land" Once they start actually tracking her down and following her call 911 saffron then ill worry about her " mental health" > For now very nasty comments which are in line with their pattern from last year with no meaning whatsoever --but i feel like we may agree to disagree and because of the type of person i am i welcome that and i truly understand what you mean i just dont happen to feel the same way. Carry on chicas. That was my one lil contribution on the chucking mental health around for comments you can just block x
 
As I mentioned before I was not aware of the 'death threats'



Youtube gossip you have in fact NOT said anything about mental health and I also did not say you did. You commented on my opinion that i was speaking about the " people preach about mental health" statement amongst other elusion of mental health worries by others over many a thread on tattle- i was not saying either you or bdy was saying that's how you feel. But you have since made it known you think its too far I agree. She was making a point to say how society in general nowadays talk about mental health so much and i was giving my opinion on that subject in general in relation to this topic. I hope that provides clarity. Also "mental health attack" is relative isn't it. Joe is such a soft touch that i can 100 percent guarantee to him this thread would not be good for his "mental health". Anyone would hate a difference of opinion of them self online. Physical attacks are getting out of hand. In that screenshot I have seen many a tweet on those lines previous year. Verbal attacks about his character and his " content" im sure someone out there would compare the two ( physical threats and verbal disdain) and thats my point. Opinions are mainly what it is. They have definitely gone too far and they have been nasty about Pasquale about Ashley and were saying violent things back then if she won as well. Ashley is still alive and kicking I notice the pattern and im just saying saffron take those really vile nasty comments with a grain of salt. Even if she did redo the same type of reaction videos saying im gonna brake her leg which i just saw the screenshot ( nasty fans) is really disgusting but has no meaning until someone tries to break her leg (get a restraining order girl! lol). I still understand where you are coming from but meh welcome to "famous land" Once they start actually tracking her down and following her call 911 saffron then ill worry about her " mental health" > For now very nasty comments which are in line with their pattern from last year with no meaning whatsoever --but i feel like we may agree to disagree and because of the type of person i am i welcome that and i truly understand what you mean i just dont happen to feel the same way. Carry on chicas. That was my one lil contribution on the chucking mental health around for comments you can just block x
I doubt you’ll be blocked. People are generally happy for people to have different opinions on here. I certainly am.
 
I doubt you’ll be blocked. People are generally happy for people to have different opinions on here. I certainly am.
oh no i mean saffron can just block those physical threatening tweets rather than let it affect her mental health. I dont have twitter to see the really bad ones i just see whats on here :D They physically threaten ashley last year and i think it affected her self esteem but in her stride she went on to do this waitress show. As much as i dont like saffron videos she should do the same. We are what we let in to affect us. Its hard as i know myself but at some point in life we have to say duck it and dont worry about it until obviously we actually do see the threat coming. She should go on a blocking spree and use it for self awareness which many of these young kids lack especially those nasty joe and dianne fans they are crazy. If they said something to me on twitter id go in they would be rethinking if my leg was worth breaking simple lol
 
It’s all good saying they haven’t actually done anything to her yet, but in my opinion that’s not the proper mentality to have. same with saying you can just block people who are abusive or harmful, the damage has already been done by that point as they are directly tweeting the girl and she has seen it all. Completely respect your opinion but just don’t agree which is fine! I can just imagine it being horrible for a 19 year old girl getting an incredible opportunity like this and being so excited about it, only to be torn down by a bunch of 15 year olds
 
It’s all good saying they haven’t actually done anything to her yet, but in my opinion that’s not the proper mentality to have. same with saying you can just block people who are abusive or harmful, the damage has already been done by that point as they are directly tweeting the girl and she has seen it all. Completely respect your opinion but just don’t agree which is fine! I can just imagine it being horrible for a 19 year old girl getting an incredible opportunity like this and being so excited about it, only to be torn down by a bunch of 15 year olds

From children who show their colours year in year out their words lose validity to me. . Saffron is definitely used to harsh comments especially from her scandals. The option to leave the public eye was there but the money is good so she swapped that for the comments. I understand and because they are 15 and she is 19 she should be well aware that she is older and wiser and shouldn't let children opinion affect her. no 12 yr old could affect my self esteem at 30 no way. Not worth her time but i know why you guys deem it that way. But that still brings me to the point that them reading this thread on tattle " the damage is done too" so where do we draw the lines that means we all should keep our non agreeing comments to ourselves whether physical threatening or not. Verbal attack of ones effort is also seen as mental health destroying so I dunno why them saying it directly to her or she seeing a whole thread on her makes any difference (thats what i was saying from the start--that people would say we are "mentally abusing them" and i say no we are not its opinions). we can go back to Joe now though cause this is his thread afterall.
 
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She will stick with Sugg...I have met Zoe and that twit of a friend of her furryish, nothing to either of them, no personality at all...everythings a joke though.....

I mean Deyes, duh...

I hope her fans are less toxic! On a side note, does this mean they're panicking that Dianne won't win now? 😏

I think if Dianne came from Oz to live here she is hard enough to be able to spot idiots, plus Joe is no fool...he may act it, but he's got good advisers.
 
It's Joe's own fault. He got far too big for his boots and thought he would become a big BBC presenter and have a pro Dancer as arm candy. He isolated himself thinking he would be friends with Stacey and Ashley etc. and that he would only use YouTube as a money spinner on the side. Thing is he is so up himself he thought and still thinks he is far more talented than he is.

Dianne may be as thick as two planks when it comes to anything that requires any intellectual thinking, but she is very street smart. She still has her own life, career and friends who are seperate from Joe, while he is clinging on to the last remnants of Strictly fame.

He needs to choose to do YouTube properly and produce quality content, or take the plunge and go into voice acting/presenting, like actually pay for mentoring. But he seems to have lost his mates, is losing subscribers at a spectacular rate and if keeps treating Dianne like a dog, he will lose her too. If hadn't become such a lazy, entitled head like his sister, I may actually feel sorry for him. But he has been showing true colors since Strictly and I actually think that if this tour crashed and burned, it might bring him back to reality and actually make him likable again.
 
What the duck 😂😂😂
 

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Oti's husband goes to virtually every live show, Quinny said he was very possessive of Oti and apparently she loves it. Had a good chat with him at the weekend at my brother-in-laws birthday meal he said of all the people he met through the show Marius was the weirdest and only one he didn't like. Also got some amazing gossip on a certain pro cheating on their significant other (or is it cheating if the partner knows about it and doesn't seem to mind). Karen's other half also goes to the live shows if he isn't working, Gorka told Quinny that there was quite a bit of tension last year as Karen had cheated on Kevin with David, who was in the bar after the live shows.

He said he hasn't seen Dianne since the second of September, he got angry with her and unfollowed and deleted photos on Instagram the week after. They had a chat and decided to stay friends and he followed her again after talking to her management (after being contacted by the tabloids) as he didn't want to damage her chances on the show as he still adored her, so kept liking her posts for a couple of weeks after. He thinks Joe's great for her, I hadn't really spoken to him before but actually he's not as full of crap as he appears to be when acting up for his mates.

Is Joe friends with Saffron, I know she follows him and Dianne but neither of them follow her. Don't think he's congratulated any other celeb's either, as have none of the other celebs from last year unless they know them, if you don't know them why would you congratulate them. Caspar is probably wanting to sign Saffron to one of his businesses, or maybe he actually knows her.

Caspar's getting on my nerves at the moment, 90% of his Instagram and YouTube output is Ad's, even tonight's meal, he's one who doesn't pay for a thing. Why would Joe go out for a meal with Caspar and gang, he doesn't rely on him for a living unlike Josh, Jack and the other hangers on, including Ambar's mates. Had Joe ever spent any significant time with Amber, she went to Strictly once, she was at his place once when Josh's brother was here and he went to the film viewing with her and a lunch before the premiere. Don't think I've ever seen her with Dianne, she didn't go to winter wonderland for Mikeys birthday at Christmas with them all, including Dianne and Britt.

I've a friend in the English department at Ambar's Uni, for the first two years of her degree she was your normal student, drinking, smoking, partying but down to earth. She came back for the third year a changed person, flashing the cash and up herself. As a University Professor myself I find it sad that people waste 3 years getting a degree (treating it as a reason not to grow up), then don't bother using it. If only people who really want to get a degree and will use it, came to our institutions, it could be much cheaper. I've already given 20+ references to students who are trying to gain employment in their chosen field and have worked so hard to make a better life for themselves. I wonder if Ambar's degree will come in handy as an Instamodel.

Sorry for the rant, it just drives me mad that some kids really get themselves into debt, study and work 2 jobs, to do something they have a real passion for and others party, live off mum and dad and spend their holidays abroad to cruise to a degree and not bother using it. And don't get me started on the lowering of grade boundaries because we will not get the students if we don't award at least a 2:1

Perhaps I should start a thread for Caspar and his gold digger girlfriend, I notice Jim Chapman has one where his gold digger girlfriend is discussed. Or maybe Instamodels in particular, short pretty enough girls who look nothing like they do without the photoshop, get themselves a social media boyfriend and reap the rewards.

*Casper has lost nearly as many subs as Joe this last month, what's the reason for this. I find him and his permanent money grubbing clickbaiting ad's as bad as Joe and his immature first love. I do feel for Joe, and others from last year with the Strictly season about to start. Many people who have taken part feel a kind of grief when the next celebs take their place, Simon Rimmer, Harry Judd, Ruth Langsford, Penny Stuart and the Rev have all found it hard. Part and Parcel of the show.
 
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Oti's husband goes to virtually every live show, Quinny said he was very possessive of Oti and apparently she loves it. Had a good chat with him at the weekend at my brother-in-laws birthday meal he said of all the people he met through the show Marius was the weirdest and only one he didn't like. Also got some amazing gossip on a certain pro cheating on their significant other (or is it cheating if the partner knows about it and doesn't seem to mind). Karen's other half also goes to the live shows if he isn't working, Gorka told Quinny that there was quite a bit of tension last year as Karen had cheated on Kevin with David, who was in the bar after the live shows.

He said he hasn't seen Dianne since the second of September, he got angry with her and unfollowed and deleted photos on Instagram the week after. They had a chat and decided to stay friends and he followed her again after talking to her management (after being contacted by the tabloids) as he didn't want to damage her chances on the show as he still adored her, so kept liking her posts for a couple of weeks after. He thinks Joe's great for her, I hadn't really spoken to him before but actually he's not as full of crap as he appears to be when acting up for his mates.

Is Joe friends with Saffron, I know she follows him and Dianne but neither of them follow her. Don't think he's congratulated any other celeb's either, as have none of the other celebs from last year unless they know them, if you don't know them why would you congratulate them. Caspar is probably wanting to sign Saffron to one of his businesses, or maybe he actually knows her.

Caspar's getting on my nerves at the moment, 90% of his Instagram and YouTube output is Ad's, even tonight's meal, he's one who doesn't pay for a thing. Why would Joe go out for a meal with Caspar and gang, he doesn't rely on him for a living unlike Josh, Jack and the other hangers on, including Ambar's mates. Had Joe ever spent any significant time with Amber, she went to Strictly once, she was at his place once when Josh's brother was here and he went to the film viewing with her and a lunch before the premiere. Don't think I've ever seen her with Dianne, she didn't go to winter wonderland for Mikeys birthday at Christmas with them all, including Dianne and Britt.

I've a friend in the English department at Ambar's Uni, for the first two years of her degree she was your normal student, drinking, smoking, partying but down to earth. She came back for the third year a changed person, flashing the cash and up herself. As a University Professor myself I find it sad that people waste 3 years getting a degree (treating it as a reason not to grow up), then don't bother using it. If only people who really want to get a degree and will use it, came to our institutions, it could be much cheaper. I've already given 20+ references to students who are trying to gain employment in their chosen field and have worked so hard to make a better life for themselves. I wonder if Ambar's degree will come in handy as an Instamodel.

Sorry for the rant, it just drives me mad that some kids really get themselves into debt, study and work 2 jobs, to do something they have a real passion for and others party, live off mum and dad and spend their holidays abroad to cruise to a degree and not bother using it. And don't get me started on the lowering of grade boundaries because we will not get the students if we don't award at least a 2:1

Perhaps I should start a thread for Caspar and his gold digger girlfriend, I notice Jim Chapman has one where his gold digger girlfriend is discussed. Or maybe Instamodels in particular, short pretty enough girls who look nothing like they do without the photoshop, get themselves a social media boyfriend and reap the rewards.

*Casper has lost nearly as many subs as Joe this last month, what's the reason for this. I find him and his permanent money grubbing clickbaiting ad's as bad as Joe and his immature first love. I do feel for Joe, and others from last year with the Strictly season about to start. Many people who have taken part feel a kind of grief when the next celebs take their place, Simon Rimmer, Harry Judd, Ruth Langsford, Penny Stuart and the Rev have all found it hard. Part and Parcel of the show.
Oh spill the tea, what did Dianne ex get so annoyed about that he deleted all traces of her from social media. Must of been something pretty big for him to have such a big reaction.

Live when you post, you always give such such an eloquently worded opininion and the insider gossip is also brilliant.
 
Oti's husband goes to virtually every live show, Quinny said he was very possessive of Oti and apparently she loves it. Had a good chat with him at the weekend at my brother-in-laws birthday meal he said of all the people he met through the show Marius was the weirdest and only one he didn't like. Also got some amazing gossip on a certain pro cheating on their significant other (or is it cheating if the partner knows about it and doesn't seem to mind). Karen's other half also goes to the live shows if he isn't working, Gorka told Quinny that there was quite a bit of tension last year as Karen had cheated on Kevin with David, who was in the bar after the live shows.

He said he hasn't seen Dianne since the second of September, he got angry with her and unfollowed and deleted photos on Instagram the week after. They had a chat and decided to stay friends and he followed her again after talking to her management (after being contacted by the tabloids) as he didn't want to damage her chances on the show as he still adored her, so kept liking her posts for a couple of weeks after. He thinks Joe's great for her, I hadn't really spoken to him before but actually he's not as full of crap as he appears to be when acting up for his mates.

Is Joe friends with Saffron, I know she follows him and Dianne but neither of them follow her. Don't think he's congratulated any other celeb's either, as have none of the other celebs from last year unless they know them, if you don't know them why would you congratulate them. Caspar is probably wanting to sign Saffron to one of his businesses, or maybe he actually knows her.

Caspar's getting on my nerves at the moment, 90% of his Instagram and YouTube output is Ad's, even tonight's meal, he's one who doesn't pay for a thing. Why would Joe go out for a meal with Caspar and gang, he doesn't rely on him for a living unlike Josh, Jack and the other hangers on, including Ambar's mates. Had Joe ever spent any significant time with Amber, she went to Strictly once, she was at his place once when Josh's brother was here and he went to the film viewing with her and a lunch before the premiere. Don't think I've ever seen her with Dianne, she didn't go to winter wonderland for Mikeys birthday at Christmas with them all, including Dianne and Britt.

I've a friend in the English department at Ambar's Uni, for the first two years of her degree she was your normal student, drinking, smoking, partying but down to earth. She came back for the third year a changed person, flashing the cash and up herself. As a University Professor myself I find it sad that people waste 3 years getting a degree (treating it as a reason not to grow up), then don't bother using it. If only people who really want to get a degree and will use it, came to our institutions, it could be much cheaper. I've already given 20+ references to students who are trying to gain employment in their chosen field and have worked so hard to make a better life for themselves. I wonder if Ambar's degree will come in handy as an Instamodel.

Sorry for the rant, it just drives me mad that some kids really get themselves into debt, study and work 2 jobs, to do something they have a real passion for and others party, live off mum and dad and spend their holidays abroad to cruise to a degree and not bother using it. And don't get me started on the lowering of grade boundaries because we will not get the students if we don't award at least a 2:1

Perhaps I should start a thread for Caspar and his gold digger girlfriend, I notice Jim Chapman has one where his gold digger girlfriend is discussed. Or maybe Instamodels in particular, short pretty enough girls who look nothing like they do without the photoshop, get themselves a social media boyfriend and reap the rewards.

*Casper has lost nearly as many subs as Joe this last month, what's the reason for this. I find him and his permanent money grubbing clickbaiting ad's as bad as Joe and his immature first love. I do feel for Joe, and others from last year with the Strictly season about to start. Many people who have taken part feel a kind of grief when the next celebs take their place, Simon Rimmer, Harry Judd, Ruth Langsford, Penny Stuart and the Rev have all found it hard. Part and Parcel of the show.

Sorry that second paragraph is information you got from Anthony? someone you’ve barely spoken to before? Huh? How does that work?

Both Joe and Caspar know Saffron. They’ve met her multiple times and have hung out at youtube events. Everyone congratulated Joe when he went just as they’re doing for Saffron as it’s a big thing for a youtuber to do and progresses the relationship between YouTube and mainstream entertainment. However like we’ve been discussing Joe has gone bitter pretentious so he he hasn’t said a word.

Caspar has always lived his life off freebies so that’s nothing new. I’m guessing the increase in ads is due to the fact that he’s making next to nothing on YouTube ad rev so replaced it with ads. Josh has also been doing a lot of ads. As for living off of him? Josh okay I’ll let pass...even then he mostly does his own thing and he pays for his own tit, but since when do Jack and co + Ambar’s friends live off Caspar? The duck. That’s just not true lmao. Jack does his own thing and Mikey does his own thing. You’re fumbling with excuses as to why Joe is locked in his cave these days. Both Ambar and Caspar didn’t go to Mikey’s birthday thing because that was during the fake drama with Josh. They’ve been together MANY instances before the ones you’ve listed as well.

How do you seem to have a connection to every single person in that crew? it’s very interesting lol I don’t remember where I said this, but I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Ambar has the rest of her life to use her degree, but the modeling...yes real modeling. She’s not actually an Instagram model. She is signed to an agency and works for legitimate brands and has done so long before Caspar’s existence in her life. She is going to be earning way more money this year modeling than she would in some other job with her degree. If anything it is going to pay off her debt quickly it’s this. If you’re a professor surely you would understand this. No ones going to use their degree right away just because others can’t. They’re going to use their best opportunities. Nice attempt at deflecting. Back to Joe lol
 
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