Jenny Apple

[oceanbaby]

The constant crying and filming is what significantly upset a lot of viewers. There were a few consecutive videos where the majority of film time was Jenny crying and sobbing. This is what started the negative feedback and some nasty comments which in turn upset Jenny again. I agree that filming yourself so distressed is not something most of us could even contemplate let alone do, it is just footage that most people do not need or want to see. However, it does seem to be a constant and regular occurrence in her journey so I guess Jenny believes it’s worthy of inclusion as it’s the real deal and that’s her true story, open and raw as it is.

It's crazy to me that someone would give Jenny (or anyone) negative feedback or nasty comments because she cried during her videos. They are her videos, and she can express herself however she wishes. They don't have to watch. Something seriously wrong with those people.

 

[Miriam3]

It's crazy to me that someone would give Jenny (or anyone) negative feedback or nasty comments because she cried during her videos. They are her videos, and she can express herself however she wishes. They don't have to watch. Something seriously wrong with those people.

She says she’s making these for her children to watch someday. I guess we all have varying opinions on what’s appropriate for children. Of course it’s up to Jenny how she’d like her children to remember her.

 

[Daisychain4]

It's crazy to me that someone would give Jenny (or anyone) negative feedback or nasty comments because she cried during her videos. They are her videos, and she can express herself however she wishes. They don't have to watch. Something seriously wrong with those people.

I agree, those people do not need to watch.
I am unaware just how hurtful and disrespectful those comments were as I choose not to read the comment sections under videos and I never leave comments.
I did watch Jenny’s response and she was very upset.
I am aware of the pain relief incident which created a lot of hype and upset many viewers, some actually very disheartened with Jenny’s response. I too was somewhat disappointed with Jenny’s reaction to that incident given people were just reacting out of love and support for her, not against her. True, they don’t have to watch.
To be honest, this is where I find it appropriate and fair to comment be it positive or negative towards a public social media vlogger. It’s a contained space and it’s a choice if you want to come here and read.

 

[Saydee]

It's crazy to me that someone would give Jenny (or anyone) negative feedback or nasty comments because she cried during her videos. They are her videos, and she can express herself however she wishes. They don't have to watch. Something seriously wrong with those people.

Agreed, Jenny can indeed express herself however she wishes, but her viewers can have opinions however they wish too. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with people?
The whole reason Tattle exists is so people can voice their opinions.

 

[PuzzlesAndWine]

seems to be a lot of over-analyzing things on here. all i see is a young mum going through the most incredibly difficult none of us could ever imagine. I don't question how she reacts or how people feel she should react. It is extremely sad to start seeing her sitting out of family events the latest being the mini-golf and she also missed Disneyland as it clashed with a hospital appointment. I was happy to hear her talk about her income - hell yes go and have a blast Jen and enjoy yourself girl, eat, drink and be merry! Anyway, fingers crossed for some good news which Jen is long over-due.

Well yes, of course it's sad, her whole situation is awful and I don't think one person on the planet would say it's not. It's great that you don't question anything, if that's what you do. Over-analyzing is what I do which is why I'm responding to your comment about it. I've watched her vlogs for a while because I like her and her family, think they are genuine, and want to hopefully witness some better news in her future.
In Jenny's case I didn't need to over-analyze anything. The 2 vlogs that got people stirred up were out of character for her channel and made me raise my eyebrows. I got flashbacks to T's dramatic setting up of the camera to film in immense pain, then the admonishing of the viewers to "be kind" etc. Was not a good look in my own little opinion. It also brought in a lot more subs to her channel that haven't followed her before and that led to some new negativity I don't think she wasn't used to.
But if you think about it, if you are going to use some big drama to draw in viewers, one type of viewer you are going to attract is someone who loves DRAMA and has an opinion. So good or bad, it comes with putting yourself out there and earning money from it no matter how wholesome or genuine you are.
Anyway, just because someone over-analyzes something doesn't mean they have ill intent or are just out to bash someone. (Not saying you meant that, just what I over-analyzed it to mean).

 

[oceanbaby]

Agreed, Jenny can indeed express herself however she wishes, but her viewers can have opinions however they wish too. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with people?
The whole reason Tattle exists is so people can voice their opinions.

Of course, it's just my opinion there's something wrong with them, but it's hard for me personally to see it any other way.

 

[Saydee]

“Symptomatic malignant pleural effusion is a common clinical problem. This condition is associated with very high mortality, with life expectancy ranging from 3 to 12 months.”

Malignant Pleural Effusion: Diagnosis and Management - PubMed

Symptomatic malignant pleural effusion is a common clinical problem. This condition is associated with very high mortality, with life expectancy ranging from 3 to 12 months. Studies are contributing evidence on an increasing number of therapeutic options (therapeutic thoracentesis, thoracoscopic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I specifically didn't mention studies incase Jenny is reading this. I know some folk tell Tiffany to read her threads on Tattle, or worse, direct mention folk to ask them if they have seen their thread on Tattle.
This is a good example though. Data suggests 3 to 12 months. Jenny has suffered with pleural effusions much longer than 12 months. This is why I tend to ignore prognosis's because each patient is unique.

 

[Make sense of it!]

If Jenny had have tolerated immunotherapy she may have got to NED. I’ve seen quite a few patients have complete responses to immunotherapy, but those responses aren’t always durable. Palliative treatment can work for years yes, but it’s a very small percent of patients. Disease usually becomes resistant.
My personal belief of why some patients live a few years and others perhaps just months? I think where tumours are located play a massive part. When disease invades the lung and heart lining fluid starts accumulating and it’s not good. Ascites, pleural effusions and pericardial effusions have a poor prognosis.
Thats not to say patients can’t overcome it, the right treatment may very well resolve those effusions of Jenny’s! I so hope so.
I know a couple of months ago that Jenny hasn’t asked what her prognosis is and she said she didn’t want to know either.
Oncologists use a scoring system which can offers a rough timeframe, but I’m a believer that those are just stats. Many live way past a prognosis.
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I understand. I fight my tears around my friends and family because I much prefer to cry when I am alone. I couldn’t record myself crying, never mind publish it to the www.
Jenny recently learnt that her health team watch her videos. I hope that would never impact their thinking. Oncologists as much as they are there to treat patients, they do consider quality of life too. Jenny also recently mentioned that a fellow patient died, and it shocked Jenny because Jenny is poorlier than what her friend was.
There is an obvious change in Kyle too. Previously Jenny would look to Kyle and ask if she was going to be ok? If he thought scans would be good? Kyle always calmed Jenny down and always reassured her. Recently he is telling Jenny he is scared for results etc.When Jenny discusses leaving things behind for the kids he isn’t stopping her or trying to distract her mindset.
I feel sad for them both.

Thanks for your reply.
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The constant crying and filming is what significantly upset a lot of viewers. There were a few consecutive videos where the majority of film time was Jenny crying and sobbing. This is what started the negative feedback and some nasty comments which in turn upset Jenny again. I agree that filming yourself so distressed is not something most of us could even contemplate let alone do, it is just footage that most people do not need or want to see. However, it does seem to be a constant and regular occurrence in her journey so I guess Jenny believes it’s worthy of inclusion as it’s the real deal and that’s her true story, open and raw as it is.
As it was pointed out in a discussion in another thread (and one of the reasons why this thread was started) was the point and fact that be it Jenny or Tiffany or any other vlogger sharing their cancer journey, the goal is to create an income and I believe this then puts into perspective the reason why people sharing their stories include ‘the good, the bad and the ugly’ … it’s all about what generates good returns. Regardless of who we enjoy following, who pulls on our heart strings, who shares their story better or who seems like a lovely caring family; they are doing it for money and their content reflects what attracts the $$$. Like it or lump it, Jenny Apple appears to be no different but at least she does appear to be honest and genuine, open and at most, transparent about her cancer journey.

Well said.
Just for a moment think about this, your in a hospital bed in agony, worst pain of your life, your alone (Kyle wasn't allowed in) you get out of the hospital bed, set up a camera and get back into bed to film yourself in agony THEN in a clearer pain free time later you actually edit the footage and make a video out of it for the world to see. Or you set up the camera in the car in a public parking lot and film yourself crying then once again actually edit the footage for strangers to see and at no point do you not think "maybe not" or "l won't post this" or this is triggering? I don't get it. The placement of a camera to intentionally film these emotions.

 

[Daisychain4]

Thanks for your reply.
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Well said.
Just for a moment think about this, your in a hospital bed in agony, worst pain of your life, your alone (Kyle wasn't allowed in) you get out of the hospital bed, set up a camera and get back into bed to film yourself in agony THEN in a clearer pain free time later you actually edit the footage and make a video out of it for the world to see. Or you set up the camera in the car in a public parking lot and film yourself crying then once again actually edit the footage for strangers to see and at no point do you not think "maybe not" or "l won't post this" or this is triggering? I don't get it. The placement of a camera to intentionally film these emotions.

I, like many of us here in these threads, have at some stage in our lives, experienced acute and significant pain. I can honestly say that the anxiety and despair that accompanies severe pain does not for one minute lend itself to anything remotely close to setting up a camera and taking a few little snaps.
Im with you, don’t get it at all. And incidentally, that for me is certainly not a reflection aimed solely at Jenny Apple. It’s a general statement aligned for anyone who is able to position a camera and make a video of themself while in acute pain. I have but one word … wow!

 

[Saydee]

I, like many of us here in these threads, have at some stage in our lives, experienced acute and significant pain. I can honestly say that the anxiety and despair that accompanies severe pain does not for one minute lend itself to anything remotely close to setting up a camera and taking a few little snaps.
Im with you, don’t get it at all. And incidentally, that for me is certainly not a reflection aimed solely at Jenny Apple. It’s a general statement aligned for anyone who is able to position a camera and make a video of themself while in acute pain. I have but one word … wow!

Agree with you both. In times of pain the last thing I would do is film it. I'd not want a partner filming me in pain either, infact I wouldn't be happy at all if a partner had a camera in my face while I was in pain.

 

[jenh526]

Agree with you both. In times of pain the last thing I would do is film it. I'd not want a partner filming me in pain either, infact I wouldn't be happy at all if a partner had a camera in my face while I was in pain.

Agree with this too. I was in the worst pain of my life a couple years ago waiting in an ER with pancreatitis. The only thing that kind of helped was kneeling on the floor half-bent over a cot, because the cool concrete felt good on my legs. It would never have occurred to me to get up and place a camera to film that.

 

[Turaj]

Agree with this too. I was in the worst pain of my life a couple years ago waiting in an ER with pancreatitis. The only thing that kind of helped was kneeling on the floor half-bent over a cot, because the cool concrete felt good on my legs. It would never have occurred to me to get up and place a camera to film that.

and if I were family or whoever was with me to video this they would hopefully decline. I don't understand this at all.

 

[PuzzlesAndWine]

and if I were family or whoever was with me to video this they would hopefully decline. I don't understand this at all.

I would love for one of the vloggers that has done the whole setting up the camera, filming in agony, editing the footage and actively leaving the content in the video to answer honestly about WHY they did it and HOW that even came into their minds while writhing in the level of pain shown to the audience. I'd even like to read thoughts from diehard fans who insist that it has nothing to do with money or views.

 

[suzeq]

I would love for one of the vloggers that has done the whole setting up the camera, filming in agony, editing the footage and actively leaving the content in the video to answer honestly about WHY they did it and HOW that even came into their minds while writhing in the level of pain shown to the audience. I'd even like to read thoughts from diehard fans who insist that it has nothing to do with money Idor views.

I would be interested in this insight as well. Being averse to being filmed at all, I actually can on one hand understand someone attached to their camera, especially alone with no support, deciding to position it and film their pain and thoughts. It is like a diary in that sense, being so used to memorialising their emotions and every aspect of their life. They'd certainly want to record what feels like an urgent matter.

I personally wouldn't want to do it. But, if I imagine back to the last time I was in A&E and in pain, waiting for what seemed like a long, long time, it might have felt comforting to be expressing my distress into a camera, not knowing how it was going to turn out.

I'd be interested in hearing a vlogger's perspective about this too.

 

[Saydee]

We only have to think about T. Major surgery and in critical care for recovery. The first thing T did was power on her camera/phone and said she didn't know where Matt & Amma was and she couldn't see properly!

 

[oceanbaby]

I actually can on one hand understand someone attached to their camera, especially alone with no support, deciding to position it and film their pain and thoughts. It is like a diary in that sense, being so used to memorialising their emotions and every aspect of their life. They'd certainly want to record what feels like an urgent matter.

I personally wouldn't want to do it. But, if I imagine back to the last time I was in A&E and in pain, waiting for what seemed like a long, long time, it might have felt comforting to be expressing my distress into a camera, not knowing how it was going to turn out.

I'd be interested in hearing a vlogger's perspective about this too.

I can understand it as well and, while you yourself are adverse to it, you give a good explanation of why some may find it helpful. The act of expressing your fears aloud, talking about your pain, and feeling like someone is hearing you would no doubt be comforting to some in those moments. I think it really helped Tiffany, something she mentioned many times, and it seems to help Jenny as well. Although Jenny may be coming at it more from the documenting angle, but I can also see it being comforting too.

 

[suzeq]

We only have to think about T. Major surgery and in critical care for recovery. The first thing T did was power on her camera/phone and said she didn't know where Matt & Amma was and she couldn't see properly!

Yes, but Tiffany was much more in "movie-maker mode", recalling her dramatic drives to A&E, even though her mum was next to her and would have been much more of a support rather than talking to a silently recording camera in that moment. Or video taping her struggle up her stairs as Amma rushes to push morphine into her mouth. Given her clickbait titles and dramatic thumbnails, I think she was viewing the whole thing cinematically and as a money making venture than as @oceanbaby describes Jenny, as more documentarian. I could see how upset Jenny was that she wasn't allowed sedation during the procedure as she was expecting. I can imagine her wanting to get out her frustration and upset as she was feeling it. In that regard, her videos are more authentic. I think Jenny probably has very few edits in her videos, or retakes.

Tiffany trying to video herself when she was so drugged up and blurry eyed that she had difficulty finding the right button to press...that one takes the cake for...I can't quite find the best adjective to use for that...

 

[PuzzlesAndWine]

I actually can on one hand understand someone attached to their camera, especially alone with no support, deciding to position it and film their pain and thoughts.

The act of expressing your fears aloud, talking about your pain, and feeling like someone is hearing you would no doubt be comforting to some in those moments.

That's one fair explanation. And I guess just because it isn't for everyone doesn't mean it wouldn't work for others. I will still always wonder though when it's put out on a platform that earns you money, attached to gofundme campaigns, affiliate links, and the need for sponsors. Saying I do it for the profit doesn't sound as good as to say I do it because it's comforting or for a diary, and you could certainly film and keep those videos private and still fulfill the "comfort/diary" part, right?

 

[Daisychain4]

That's one fair explanation. And I guess just because it isn't for everyone doesn't mean it wouldn't work for others. I will still always wonder though when it's put out on a platform that earns you money, attached to gofundme campaigns, affiliate links, and the need for sponsors. Saying I do it for the profit doesn't sound as good as to say I do it because it's comforting or for a diary, and you could certainly film and keep those videos private and still fulfill the "comfort/diary" part, right?

I do agree.
The thing that concerns me most filming these particular instances, is the fact that Jenny is very protective of her young children and goes to great lengths to hide away when she is distressed so her children do not see her in this state. To then film these events and include them in your video diary, is leaving considerably distressing footage to your children who will one day view it. Adding to this is the fact they will ultimately & probably view it after her demise, which means she will not be there to comfort them and talk them through it. I find that very difficult to understand and question if the benefit (presumed financial) outweighs the emotional and psychological scarring to her children.
As a mum and a daughter, I would be deeply distressed & saddened to know my children were seeing me in this very distressed state at a time when they are probably also grieving my loss. If my mum left video diaries with such distress included, I would probably destroy them as I would want to remember the best of the best, not the suffering. Sad point is, once you view it, it’s in your memory forever .

 

[Make sense of it!]

Well yes, of course it's sad, her whole situation is awful and I don't think one person on the planet would say it's not. It's great that you don't question anything, if that's what you do. Over-analyzing is what I do which is why I'm responding to your comment about it. I've watched her vlogs for a while because I like her and her family, think they are genuine, and want to hopefully witness some better news in her future.
In Jenny's case I didn't need to over-analyze anything. The 2 vlogs that got people stirred up were out of character for her channel and made me raise my eyebrows. I got flashbacks to T's dramatic setting up of the camera to film in immense pain, then the admonishing of the viewers to "be kind" etc. Was not a good look in my own little opinion. It also brought in a lot more subs to her channel that haven't followed her before and that led to some new negativity I don't think she wasn't used to.
But if you think about it, if you are going to use some big drama to draw in viewers, one type of viewer you are going to attract is someone who loves DRAMA and has an opinion. So good or bad, it comes with putting yourself out there and earning money from it no matter how wholesome or genuine you are.
Anyway, just because someone over-analyzes something doesn't mean they have ill intent or are just out to bash someone. (Not saying you meant that, just what I over-analyzed it to mean).

Well said.
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I would love for one of the vloggers that has done the whole setting up the camera, filming in agony, editing the footage and actively leaving the content in the video to answer honestly about WHY they did it and HOW that even came into their minds while writhing in the level of pain shown to the audience. I'd even like to read thoughts from diehard fans who insist that it has nothing to do with money or views.

Yes, yes and yes. It's on page 345 of the You Tube handbook section 2:1 "keeping it real and raw" that's what they all say!!
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We only have to think about T. Major surgery and in critical care for recovery. The first thing T did was power on her camera/phone and said she didn't know where Matt & Amma was and she couldn't see properly!

Yes but it had the desired effect, pull.you in emotionally and keep the views up $$$
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I can understand it as well and, while you yourself are adverse to it, you give a good explanation of why some may find it helpful. The act of expressing your fears aloud, talking about your pain, and feeling like someone is hearing you would no doubt be comforting to some in those moments. I think it really helped Tiffany, something she mentioned many times, and it seems to help Jenny as well. Although Jenny may be coming at it more from the documenting angle, but I can also see it being comforting too.

I can totally see how comforting this was to T and her bank balance
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I do agree.
The thing that concerns me most filming these particular instances, is the fact that Jenny is very protective of her young children and goes to great lengths to hide away when she is distressed so her children do not see her in this state. To then film these events and include them in your video diary, is leaving considerably distressing footage to your children who will one day view it. Adding to this is the fact they will ultimately & probably view it after her demise, which means she will not be there to comfort them and talk them through it. I find that very difficult to understand and question if the benefit (presumed financial) outweighs the emotional and psychological scarring to her children.
As a mum and a daughter, I would be deeply distressed & saddened to know my children were seeing me in this very distressed state at a time when they are probably also grieving my loss. If my mum left video diaries with such distress included, I would probably destroy them as I would want to remember the best of the best, not the suffering. Sad point is, once you view it, it’s in your memory forever .

Jenny's videos are for her children in the future, their future college fund that is