Jack Monroe #555 For JennyNumbers, wherever she may be
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Brian Butterfield
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MavisBeacon
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I agree that the patreon numbers look real, based on the public information about how many subscribers she had at the time. The huge bump in Jan 22 is entirely feasible given that she surged to 800+ subs off the back of the VBI/Nigella plug and that many of those would have chosen to sub up for a year as its cheaper. Right now she's got about 300
VeniVidiVicki
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I also suspect she billybullshitted her way through that weekend away for Harold’s mum’s birthday to such an extent that they rang him afterwards and told him what they thought of her.
I‘d love to know their conversations in the car on the way home.
I‘d love to know their conversations in the car on the way home.
I don't think so tbh, I think she's got a spending addiction and when she gets a lump of money in, spends compulsively on sideboards, make up, penhaligons, fancy designer clothes etc etc.
Then she panics and does a blog beg. Gets more money in. Repeat.
If you match her biggest blog begs against evidence of spending (eg DKL - Edinburgh trip & sideboards; Jan '22 - massive snowfall; HH2 - European trips) you can see this pattern, imho.
On a related note, HH2 gets more egregious and shameless every time I re-read it. It's like every time I re-read, something new and terrible reveals itself that I hadn't noticed before, like grifty Cormac McCarthy novel. Sheesh.
Archduchess of Luxembourg
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I've just been reading some of the comments on Xwitter about this and I can't see how she can come back from this. At the very least, she ought to be investigated on some level. Do you think she's been declaring any of this income to HMRC?
Lazarus
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DinosaurSenior
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She's the Al Capone of "food". All the crappy things she's done, and it'll be tax that takes her down.
Seaford Haggington
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A financial association with her would ruin your ability to get credit. Even a mobile phone contract or contactless debit card.
TbilisiPeach
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A quick note about gross income, taxable income, her net income, etc.
This question used to come up regularly in earlier threads. The simple answer is that all her income (Patreon, Paypal, royalties, fees for speaking gigs, etc.) is taxable. It all counts as income. So whatever figures we are seeing are always gross amounts and she will need to declare everything on her tax return. There are different ways of chopping the onion and sole traders operate differently than ltd companies, etc., but at the end of the day, it's all liable for tax.
We have no evidence that she's NOT paying tax, other than her own admission from a few years ago, when she was late filing, because of [insert your favourite excuse], which she'd def not have a go at if someone like Jacob Rees-Mogg said the same.
I personally have no particular opinion on whether she pays her tax or not. On one hand, she's massively chaotic and can't respond to hundreds of queries about missing Patreon rewards, on the other, she's organised enough to keep withdrawing her Patreon income.
This question used to come up regularly in earlier threads. The simple answer is that all her income (Patreon, Paypal, royalties, fees for speaking gigs, etc.) is taxable. It all counts as income. So whatever figures we are seeing are always gross amounts and she will need to declare everything on her tax return. There are different ways of chopping the onion and sole traders operate differently than ltd companies, etc., but at the end of the day, it's all liable for tax.
We have no evidence that she's NOT paying tax, other than her own admission from a few years ago, when she was late filing, because of [insert your favourite excuse], which she'd def not have a go at if someone like Jacob Rees-Mogg said the same.
I personally have no particular opinion on whether she pays her tax or not. On one hand, she's massively chaotic and can't respond to hundreds of queries about missing Patreon rewards, on the other, she's organised enough to keep withdrawing her Patreon income.
BeardyBap
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We can't know, of course, though we may have our suspicions. I really, really hope she hasn't.
FourSeasonSoupObsessive
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I’ve been having a mither on Patreon this morning and getting even crosser. It’s not just that she took the money, it’s the absolute bleeping audacity to not try to provide something -ANYTHING!- in return for it, not even bleeping once. There her Patreon sits, with its FEATU, and its singular crappy, self absorbed post, raking in tens, no, HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds to which she felt entitled while not lifting a finger to supply anything in return for what, FOUR YEARS?
I am contrasting it with other people on there and the gulf between what she did do with it, and what she could have done with it is shocking. There are food writers on there with much smaller audiences who are turning out pieces of content several times a week- in text, in video, with delicious looking pictures- that they’ve researched and produced and edited and posted. They engage with their audience. Their tiers range from £1 to maybe up to a tenner or so a month, and their rewards are things you‘d actually want- shout outs on their YT, exclusive or early content, signed copies of their books, access to event tickets. In short: they provide their labour in exchange for their Patreons‘ money.
Which is as it should be! I have a small selection of podcasts, writers and a charity that I sponsor through Patreon, and none of them have ever failed to deliver on what they’ve promised, and most of them deliver in excess of it.
It’s utterly shameful, what she has done. You layer that with the lies she told on top of it…how dare she? There are people out there knocking their pans in trying to build the opportunities that she pissed away, and yet I bet she’s sulking in the bungamansion, draped in expensive accessories, feeling that no one in the world was ever as hard done to as she.
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I am contrasting it with other people on there and the gulf between what she did do with it, and what she could have done with it is shocking. There are food writers on there with much smaller audiences who are turning out pieces of content several times a week- in text, in video, with delicious looking pictures- that they’ve researched and produced and edited and posted. They engage with their audience. Their tiers range from £1 to maybe up to a tenner or so a month, and their rewards are things you‘d actually want- shout outs on their YT, exclusive or early content, signed copies of their books, access to event tickets. In short: they provide their labour in exchange for their Patreons‘ money.
Which is as it should be! I have a small selection of podcasts, writers and a charity that I sponsor through Patreon, and none of them have ever failed to deliver on what they’ve promised, and most of them deliver in excess of it.
It’s utterly shameful, what she has done. You layer that with the lies she told on top of it…how dare she? There are people out there knocking their pans in trying to build the opportunities that she pissed away, and yet I bet she’s sulking in the bungamansion, draped in expensive accessories, feeling that no one in the world was ever as hard done to as she.
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MediumLoad
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Which is what Essex Girl said about her.
That guest never managed to save anything in a month where she was doing well so she had savings for a month where she had little or no income. The minute she got any money, she spunked the lot on tat.
From what we know of her since then, I doubt she's changed at all.
As for her being behind the Patreon leak? Nah, she's too thick and lazy, and everything she touches she makes an unholy mess of.
TbilisiPeach
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I'm certain this is all real. It really ties up with everything we've been speculating on for years on here. The info may be ill-gotten, but it's accurate. The only thing I don't believe is the claim that she's NEVER sent out anything. We have screenshots in earlier threads about rewards being sent out in the early days of Patreon. Her way of Patreoning is actually particularly stupid (there's a surprise). Sending out lots of physical rewards regularly (ONCE A WEEK for TSOB) is time consuming AND expensive (postage, printing). That's why most Patreon's work best with digital rewards, like podcasts, e-books, music, etc. and only occassional physical rewards for long-term or high-tier subscribers.
If she had fulfilled her Pateron as designed, the £130,000 over 6 years wouldn't have been that much, because something like £50,000 would have had to be spent on the actual rewards and the remaining money works out at around 20 hours per week on minimum wage. I suspect she would have to spend close to that time per week on keeping the Patreon rewards going - remember, it's not just the physical job of constantly printing and posting postcards, but also creating new recipes, photographing everything, writing scathing essays, etc. If she actually did any of this, her Patreon earnings would be justified and if anything, low.
Mr Krabs
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Forgot about that weekend. I seem to remember she invited herself along then insisted on doing all the cooking that weekend. I bet the family were thrilled because OH was dating a chef, only to spend their lovely family weekend being fed slops and having to listen to her honking on about trolls.
StatusWoe
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The same weekend she posted the (extremely facetuned) mini eggs jumper pic? Can you imagine all that hyper, exaggerated giggling?
My theory: Jack was in lovebombing mode until he disagreed with something, then she went into a narc rage and scared him off. Harold wanted someone 'deliciously ordinary' but he got deranged-ly awful. Maybe he found her doing ❄ in Dordrecht. Or maybe his family just hated her.
Yes, but people have heard of Al Capone.
Yeah it's a classic pattern of behaviour for individuals with a personality disorder or addiction, I have one in my life. Compulsively blow all cash on high ticket items (often also being v generous to others, tbf), then have literally NOTHING left, panic, and get on the phone to family and friends turning on the emotional manipulation and pleading poverty. Rinse and repeat. This is the pattern I discern with Jack, expect that rather than calling family and friends, she calls her flying monkeys and fans online.
It is a genuine behavoural disorder and can be very distressing and debilitating, difference is that Jack has, or at least had, the means and the network support to address it properly.
MavisBeacon
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Agree. The patreon physical rewards as promised were completely unsustainable as a business model. Much easier to not deliver them and just pocket the cash!
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