Jack Monroe #548 Recipes that come with a side of electrocution and burnt down house for pudding

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Silver Linings said:
It’s not what this particular forum is for, it’s triggering and upsetting without spoilers, and Jack is not currently claiming benefits as far as we know and if she was it’s none of our business.
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I get that it might be triggering and upsetting.

However, I do believe that it's a relevant conversation, given Jack's schtick. Or, at least, it's as relevant as any of the other topics endlessly discussed here.

I don't like the chats here about Jack's body and I don't like some of the body judginess here. I find that incredibly triggering and so I just scroll past a lot of it. That's my choice and I can leave if and when I want to. You have that choice too.
 
Re: benefits, I think there are cultural and generational issues at play in the UK also. It seems to me that a lot of people would genuinely go without something themselves before they would watch someone else getting something they perceive to be for free. And it's not necessarily to do with media demonisation either, my grandmother has been dead since the late 80s, way before that 'shirkers and scroungers' rhetoric was mainstream. Yet she frequently complained about her younger neighbours who "neither work nor want", whilst bemoaning the fact that she and my grandfather worked their whole lives. It's true that they did, but they were also beneficiaries of plentiful social housing, jobs for life and unions that actually made strides for the working classes then - my grandfather could count on time and a half or double-time overtime frequently, for example. Same with my dad. Whereas later generations had neither of these things. It seems like it was a real point of pride for the working classes up to a certain time, probably mid-late 80s, that you didn't accept handouts. But with the Invalidity Benefit and later Incapacity Benefit, which were relatively easy to get, a lot of people started thinking that duck it, they weren't going to kill themselves working when they didn't have to, and it's hard to blame them. It is also easy to see why people get annoyed though. I have seen people who are genuinely, extremely ill (such as a good friend, recently diagnosed with MS who is already barely able to walk) having to fight for a penny. I have also known more than a few people with conditions that only affect them badly for a few days every 6 months or so. And they are getting support group ESA and full-rate PIP and were able to access these with very few problems, probably because they know how the system is designed and how to get around it. Ironically, most of the people I know who fit this category are very middle-class and this may be because they have that innate confidence and ability to advocate for themselves. It's a sticky one and I don't judge anyone for feeling any kind of way about it tbh.
 
HotesTilaire said:
Yes! This was the free school meals chaos wasn’t it? She turned up in that Lady Di black sheep jumper at one point on breakfast tv, I thought I’d been in a time slip coz Anne Diamond was on TV-AM and I was late for school…
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Why Hotes shocked exclaim?
Thought TV-AM here again!

(Was just Jack looking fool.
Hotes not late for school).
 
Moderator said:
Maybe someone can start a benefits thread so this stays on topic. Best for all the posts on that to go on their own thread (spoilered or not). Thanks
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I really don't believe it's necessary to have a separate thread. Surely, we can accommodate some intermittent chat on this topic without splitting off into a million other spaces.

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No, discussion about benefits, etc. as a whole is bogging down the thread. A general off topic discussion over pages is not intermittent chat. Make a new thread to discuss benefits if a number of you want to continue the discussion. End of.
 
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TrolleyParton said:
This head-the-ball is so deluded that she probably thinks the public think of her as a Lady Di character. Were the greying undies on sideboards photos meant to be her Revenge Dress? :unsure:
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Ah yes, I remember it well- Diana getting out of that car at the Serpentine Gallery and the world’s media racing to take photos of her as she clambered onto a sideboard with a piece of her own hair (dyed a completely different colour to the rest) wrapped around her head where she’d used it to make a snazzy Rambo’s headband type accessory.

It’s uncanny.
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Valiofthedolls said:
Ah yes, I remember it well- Diana getting out of that car at the Serpentine Gallery and the world’s media racing to take photos of her as she clambered onto a sideboard with a piece of her own hair (dyed a completely different colour to the rest) wrapped around her head where she’d used it to make a snazzy Rambo’s headband type accessory.

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Beautiful artwork there @Valiofthedolls. Did you get a half GCSE by any chance?
 
Side issue (sorry, we are all tangenting today) but reading the NYT story on Kanye today featuring the utterly ineffective crisis management WhatsApp group at Adidas gave me flashbacks to the Hellmanns and Linda McCartney Instagram lives when we collectively mithered about the before/during/after of Jack's involvement with those brands.

What *do* you do when your pet celebrity goes rogue? Because none of these companies are getting it right, and frankly none of them should be getting away with it, either.
 
Hollaaa said:
Side issue (sorry, we are all tangenting today) but reading the NYT story on Kanye today featuring the utterly ineffective crisis management WhatsApp group at Adidas gave me flashbacks to the Hellmanns and Linda McCartney Instagram lives when we collectively mithered about the before/during/after of Jack's involvement with those brands.

What *do* you do when your pet celebrity goes rogue? Because none of these companies are getting it right, and frankly none of them should be getting away with it, either.
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I think it’s really difficult. I’d also like to add Veganuary to the list of shame here - happy enough to publicly distance themselves from her but also still using her recipes which I imagine contributed to the whole Linda Mc fiasco.
 
Hollaaa said:
Side issue (sorry, we are all tangenting today) but reading the NYT story on Kanye today featuring the utterly ineffective crisis management WhatsApp group at Adidas gave me flashbacks to the Hellmanns and Linda McCartney Instagram lives when we collectively mithered about the before/during/after of Jack's involvement with those brands.

What *do* you do when your pet celebrity goes rogue? Because none of these companies are getting it right, and frankly none of them should be getting away with it, either.
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Call in Our Graham to make it worse by gaslighting the Viggles?
 
MurielSnark said:
I really don't believe it's necessary to have a separate thread. Surely, we can accommodate some intermittent chat on this topic without splitting off into a million other spaces.

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No, discussion about benefits, etc. as a whole is bogging down the thread. A general off topic discussion over pages is not intermittent chat. Make a new thread to discuss benefits if a number of you want to continue the discussion. End of.
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I completely disagree. However, it's time for a new thread anyway and the conversation will go off in other directions, as it always does.
 
Regarding the air fryers and the money saving energy stats (which are a load of bollox imo).
We still have no idea where they came from.
Some of the figures are wildly over-exaggerated and would they meet the standards of the ASA's guidelines?
Are they guest's calculations or Curry's?
It's all gone very quiet, which for a collaboration is very strange.
You'd expect her to be pushing it as part of her contract. She's not really making any effort help Curry's sell air fryers.
 
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