Jack Monroe #548 Recipes that come with a side of electrocution and burnt down house for pudding

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MurielSnark said:
Thank duck this self-righteous pissant is off social media. The arrogance is just stunning.

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If you ever miss Jack content, just check out her posts from a year ago on archive.org. This time last year she was up for a Pink News award, crowing about the VBI, pretending to get into cycling and going on about the poor dog. Ugh what a twit. I’m glad she’s hiding away in the bungabunker.
 
Walkdengirl said:
I'm not a fan of her recipes, some if them are frankly bizarre and she also has a thing about using unusual ingredients to be quirky. She had a recipe for coleslaw made with baked bean juice that made me think of jack. My friend made it, and even the mention of it now over a year later makes her retch.
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I’m a fan of Nadiya in like a loved-her-on-Bake-Off sense, but I watched her new show last night and in one episode she makes a Jalfrezi with a cream of tomato soup and I immediately noped out. On the other hand she’s never pretended to be poor so I can live with it as a quirky hack if one feels so inclined.
 
Mr Krabs said:
What made me suspect a shopping addiction long ago was that even as a young single woman, she couldn’t live on £27k which was a decent salary back then. She was renting the executive flat, whatever the hell that means, which would have been pricey but doable. But she also had shifts in the nightclub and cafe and did 60 hour weeks. Clearly she needed a lot of cash to live on.

I also think this is why she thinks she’s the most poviest pov of all and worse off than literally everyone. Because she had to live within her means for a while and couldn’t go out and spunk money which is her coping mechanism.
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I truly believe she found herself in the tit back then due to overspending and just acquiring for the sake of it. We don’t know how long she lived there, but we do know she was living (almost definitely rent free) with a partner in that partner’s home up until about 3 weeks before she flounced from the fire service in Nov 2011. They split in the October, Jack immediately moved into the (unnecessarily large) luxury executive two-bed apartment, went off work with stress and then within 2-3 weeks, quit her job and went on benefits.

I also fully believe that Jack renting that overly fancy apartment and flouncing from her job were in large part so she could needless to say have the last laugh and SPITE her ex-partner/guilt trip her into taking Jack back.

It’s also incredibly telling that despite all her ridiculous pov cosplay and coming on/off benefits for short lived periods of minimum wage employment and self-employment in 2012 she managed to keep up the rent on two different £725 (until the October) then £675 from Oct onwards flats throughout 2012.

The tit seems to have REALLY hit the fan for her in 2013 where she lived in 5 different places, moving four times between June/July and Dec 31st, AFTER the £25k book advance, the Fortnum’s award, the Guardian column and all the other attention and other ££ showered on her. Oh and she had a full time job from late February 2013 on THE NEWSPAPER too, so she was earning a decent amount through 2013 but just financially fucked throughout.

Oh and she lived rent free with yet ANOTHER sugarmama that autumn 2013 (PoPo fiancée, a 4 month relationship tops, from start to finish) before that too went tits up and she had to move from there into the fourth of five places she lived that year- again rent free, this time a friend’s place they were selling and let her live in.

Luckily rich Ol Leggy with the big London townhouse showed up when she did in Feb 2014 to save the day and save Jack more of that pesky rent etc so Jack could squander even more of her money on…acquiring stuff that by the time Leggy got sick of her less than 18 months later allegedly (in Jack’s own words) took 7 Luton vans, several estate cars and 6 months to move back to Southend*

ETA *moved into another 2 bedroom flat she lied and claimed was a tiny cold hovel of a 1 bed where she slept in the lounge, even though both the Times and The NY Times visiting her there that autumn and outed it as being a 2 bed (and the Times as it having a grand piano!) , and about a year after moving there Jack herself outed as a 2 bed.
 
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DisgruntledGoat said:
I’m a fan of Nadiya in like a loved-her-on-Bake-Off sense, but I watched her new show last night and in one episode she makes a Jalfrezi with a cream of tomato soup and I immediately noped out. On the other hand she’s never pretended to be poor so I can live with it as a quirky hack if one feels so inclined.
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I think Chicken Tikka Masala was rumoured to have been made originally with a tin of cream of tomato soup!
 
DisgruntledGoat said:
I’m a fan of Nadiya in like a loved-her-on-Bake-Off sense, but I watched her new show last night and in one episode she makes a Jalfrezi with a cream of tomato soup and I immediately noped out. On the other hand she’s never pretended to be poor so I can live with it as a quirky hack if one feels so inclined.
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Just watched tonight's new Nadiya episode with a very beady eye.

I agree with fraus that some of her combo mashup recipes are a bit dodge. I suspect they're going for being a little maverick so that she's not simply re-doing Mary Berry or a dozen other TV cooks. And she's bringing in her Asian cooking styles into some conventional western dishes; some work and some are a bit odd.

However, it's worth noting, as I did tonight, that there's a team of three home economists plus one senior one in thr credits of the show so presumably recipe development and testing is a consultative team process.

Also, what I like about her shows is that she demonstrates and explains technique really well. Tonight she made a very good biryani and explained the reasons behind the method of cooking the rice and it made sense and I learned something new. Worth it to watch for that.

I also like the fact that her shows always profile some other chef or baker who's doing something interesting. Last week it was Cumbrian pepper cake which was gorgeous and highly traditional and regional and very interesting. Tonight was some dishy Welsh YouTuber who was doing some very cottagecore food porn over a fire.

My point is: Nadiya collaborates. With a team on her recipes and to showcase others who can benefit from her platform. And, in that, she's more likeable than Jack will ever be in my eyes. #TeamNadiya
 
Valiofthedolls said:
I truly believe she found herself in the tit back then due to overspending and just acquiring for the sake of it. We don’t know how long she lived there, but we do know she was living (almost definitely rent free) with a partner in that partner’s home up until about 3 weeks before she flounced from the fire service in Nov 2011. They split in the October, Jack immediately moved into the (unnecessarily large) luxury executive two-bed apartment, went off work with stress and then within 2-3 weeks, quit her job and went on benefits.

I also fully believe that Jack renting that overly fancy apartment and flouncing from her job were in large part so she could needless to say have the last laugh and SPITE her ex-partner/guilt trip her into taking Jack back.

It’s also incredibly telling that despite all her ridiculous pov cosplay and coming on/off benefits for short lived periods of minimum wage employment and self-employment in 2012 she managed to keep up the rent on two different £725 (until the October) then £675 from Oct onwards flats throughout 2012.

The tit seems to have REALLY hit the fan for her in 2013 where she lived in 5 different places, moving four times between June/July and Dec 31st, AFTER the £25k book advance, the Fortnum’s award, the Guardian column and all the other attention and other ££ showered on her. Oh and she had a full time job from late February 2013 on THE NEWSPAPER too, so she was earning a decent amount through 2013 but just financially fucked throughout.

Oh and she lived rent free with yet ANOTHER sugarmama that autumn 2013 (PoPo fiancée, a 4 month relationship tops, from start to finish) before that too went tits up and she had to move from there into the fourth of five places she lived that year- again rent free, this time a friend’s place they were selling and let her live in.

Luckily rich Ol Leggy with the big London townhouse showed up when she did in Feb 2014 to save the day and save Jack more of that pesky rent etc so Jack could squander even more of her money on…acquiring stuff that by the time Leggy got sick of her less than 18 months later allegedly (in Jack’s own words) took 7 Luton vans, several estate cars and 6 months to move back to Southend*

ETA *moved into another 2 bedroom flat she lied and claimed was a tiny cold hovel of a 1 bed where she slept in the lounge, even though both the Times and The NY Times visiting her there that autumn and outed it as being a 2 bed (and the Times as it having a grand piano!) , and about a year after moving there Jack herself outed as a 2 bed.
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F-O-R-E-N-S-I-C

Love this level of archival knowledge.

Seriously, the New York Times, which is famous for its obsessive fact-checking (or at least, they used to be) should pay the canal to give all their news the once-over before they hit that publish button. Or at the very minimum, they should have a few corrections on their profile of our Jack.
 
Mr Krabs said:
If you ever miss Jack content, just check out her posts from a year ago on archive.org. This time last year she was up for a Pink News award, crowing about the VBI, pretending to get into cycling and going on about the poor dog. Ugh what a twit. I’m glad she’s hiding away in the bungabunker.
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Do we know she is still there though?! Maybe she has.... Moved? Hahahahaha as if.

I was pondering about where she might be and what she might be doing earlier. Anywhere do residential teacher training?!! I mean, it's no more extreme than being abducted by aliens, is it?
 
MurielSnark said:
Quite.

I admire Dolly P for many reasons, not least her Dollywood theme park which employs thousands in a deprived area of the country and her Imagination Library. Also, unlike guest, Dolly actually does do a lot of quiet work behind the scenes, supporting gay artists, Black Lives Matter etc in all sorts of ways, including supporting businesses owned by minorities in towns like Nashville.

And...obviously...Dolly has musical chops, and can both sing and write songs and understands the music biz so that she's not preyed upon by mercenary producers and such.

And... Dolly has had a decades-long marriage to the same person without posting every small detail of her life for clicks online.

Jack isn't in the same universe as Dolly and neither are most of us ordinary folk.

If you haven't already heard it, Trolley P, I highly recommend this episode of Soul Music:
www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio 4 - Soul Music, I Will Always Love You

Written by Dolly Parton... sent stratospheric by Whitney Houston.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

It's a treat.
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Dolly is a Queen 💗 Guest is a rinsed bean.
 
MurielSnark said:
Just watched tonight's new Nadiya episode with a very beady eye.

I agree with fraus that some of her combo mashup recipes are a bit dodge. I suspect they're going for being a little maverick so that she's not simply re-doing Mary Berry or a dozen other TV cooks. And she's bringing in her Asian cooking styles into some conventional western dishes; some work and some are a bit odd.

However, it's worth noting, as I did tonight, that there's a team of three home economists plus one senior one in thr credits of the show so presumably recipe development and testing is a consultative team process.

Also, what I like about her shows is that she demonstrates and explains technique really well. Tonight she made a very good biryani and explained the reasons behind the method of cooking the rice and it made sense and I learned something new. Worth it to watch for that.

I also like the fact that her shows always profile some other chef or baker who's doing something interesting. Last week it was Cumbrian pepper cake which was gorgeous and highly traditional and regional and very interesting. Tonight was some dishy Welsh YouTuber who was doing some very cottagecore food porn over a fire.

My point is: Nadiya collaborates. With a team on her recipes and to showcase others who can benefit from her platform. And, in that, she's more likeable than Jack will ever be in my eyes. #TeamNadiya
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Yeah and to be fair she does explain very well why the addition of the soup works (the creaminess and sweetness against the heat of the spices) and I do actually believe that she makes this stuff and has learnt from her family - I know loads of second and third gen immigrants who do cool tit with weird substitution ingredients that their grandparents or parents used because they clearly couldn’t get hold of something they’d traditionally use so it makes sense,

I can appreciate it’s just not for me: I chose to be childfree so I can be a wanker who has time to cook every night and scour the internet for the most time consuming recipes lol.

Agreed on the home ecs and the slots for the other chefs, it all shows someone who’s lovely to work with, unlike Jack “Blacklist” Monroe.
 
DisgruntledGoat said:
Yeah and to be fair she does explain very well why the addition of the soup works (the creaminess and sweetness against the heat of the spices) and I do actually believe that she makes this stuff and has learnt from her family - I know loads of second and third gen immigrants who do cool tit with weird substitution ingredients that their grandparents or parents used because they clearly couldn’t get hold of something they’d traditionally use so it makes sense,

I can appreciate it’s just not for me: I chose to be childfree so I can be a wanker who has time to cook every night and scour the internet for the most time consuming recipes lol.

Agreed on the home ecs and the slots for the other chefs, it all shows someone who’s lovely to work with, unlike Jack “Blacklist” Monroe.
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I know loads of second and third gen immigrants who do cool tit with weird substitution ingredients that their grandparents or parents used because they clearly couldn’t get hold of something they’d traditionally use

That's why British food is so exciting right now. We've always been global and used ingredients from other countries and immigrants have been bringing their recipes into our cooking for centuries. But there's this new confidence and willingness to learn and experiment, instead of just appropriating other cultures and pretending it was always British (fish and chips for eg). It's a great era to work in food.

Jack has fucked up so many opportunities that could've either given her a really fulfilling career OR gone to someone more deserving if she hadn't occupied the space for a decade.

(I'm a foodie wanker too.)
 
MurielSnark said:
Just watched tonight's new Nadiya episode with a very beady eye.

I agree with fraus that some of her combo mashup recipes are a bit dodge. I suspect they're going for being a little maverick so that she's not simply re-doing Mary Berry or a dozen other TV cooks. And she's bringing in her Asian cooking styles into some conventional western dishes; some work and some are a bit odd.

However, it's worth noting, as I did tonight, that there's a team of three home economists plus one senior one in thr credits of the show so presumably recipe development and testing is a consultative team process.

Also, what I like about her shows is that she demonstrates and explains technique really well. Tonight she made a very good biryani and explained the reasons behind the method of cooking the rice and it made sense and I learned something new. Worth it to watch for that.

I also like the fact that her shows always profile some other chef or baker who's doing something interesting. Last week it was Cumbrian pepper cake which was gorgeous and highly traditional and regional and very interesting. Tonight was some dishy Welsh YouTuber who was doing some very cottagecore food porn over a fire.

My point is: Nadiya collaborates. With a team on her recipes and to showcase others who can benefit from her platform. And, in that, she's more likeable than Jack will ever be in my eyes. #TeamNadiya
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Sorry, need to know, was it this? https://lakesfreerange.co.uk/westmorland-pepper-cake/

Add 'collaborate' to words that Jack doesn't know nor understand.
 
MurielSnark said:
I know loads of second and third gen immigrants who do cool tit with weird substitution ingredients that their grandparents or parents used because they clearly couldn’t get hold of something they’d traditionally use

That's why British food is so exciting right now. We've always been global and used ingredients from other countries and immigrants have been bringing their recipes into our cooking for centuries. But there's this new confidence and willingness to learn and experiment, instead of just appropriating other cultures and pretending it was always British (fish and chips for eg). It's a great era to work in food.

Jack has fucked up so many opportunities that could've either given her a really fulfilling career OR gone to someone more deserving if she hadn't occupied the space for a decade.

(I'm a foodie wanker too.)
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Where did we steal fish and chips from?!

Also please can you and Disgruntled goat (can’t seem to tag or spoiler or anything!) be my neighbours…who love feeding neighbours….
 
I'm not actually here said:
Sorry, need to know, was it this? https://lakesfreerange.co.uk/westmorland-pepper-cake/

Add 'collaborate' to words that Jack doesn't know nor understand.
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It was this very same pepper cake indeed. And I think this is the same woman who makes them -- she is a baker local to the Lakes who produces them for tearooms, I think. She had an interesting story about how peppercorns were brought back from the Caribbean via a certain port on the north west coast and how they found their way into this fruitcake, along with the sugar, raisins etc. And now it's a true regional delicacy that nobody else makes.
 
MurielSnark said:
It was this very same pepper cake indeed. And I think this is the same woman who makes them -- she is a baker local to the Lakes who produces them for tearooms, I think. She had an interesting story about how peppercorns were brought back from the Caribbean via a certain port on the north west coast and how they found their way into this fruitcake, along with the sugar, raisins etc. And now it's a true regional delicacy that nobody else makes.
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Eat with Wensleydale... Oooh yummy. Cheese and fruitcake very traditional in the Yorkshire Dales too.
 
streby said:
A big telly is, to borrow a phrase from those higher up the economic pyramid, "an investment." Not in money terms, because televisions lose value fast, but as you said entertainment and education. Once you've bought that TV it's yours until it breaks and you can use it regardless of weather, illness, or whether you're a bit short that week. A nice television has somehow become the go-to for "poor people spending frivolously" when it's actually delivering a lot for the price.
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It's also responsible for a huge amount of cultural capital and can act as a jumping off point for self directed learning -

Sesame Street, including the Alphabet Song (with an X Y Zee) = learning that Americans pronounced some letters differently, that there were different spellings that sounded similar. And that anything American = parent was going to hate.

General pronunciation of English, French and Italian.

See a film on a Saturday afternoon = I'll read the book that's lurking in the shelves. Learning that a lot of things on TV were originally books (and could be better).

Film tropes.

First introduction to the Ship of Theseus Paradox.

Greek mythology. Ulysee-ee-ee-ee-ees. The Iliad and Homer's Odyssey. Whether through the medium of rabbits or with the chills of the Hydra's teeth soldiers (and therefore giving an idea of how to pronounce the names when read in a book I was bought after being transfixed by Harryhausen movies - because there wasn't anybody in the house who had a Scooby how to make sense of Ancient Greek).

Alexandre Dumas. One for all and all for one, Muskehounds are always ready...

Religion. For good, for bad, for indifference.

All of those 30s, 40s and 50s movies.

Programmes about Art and painting, even the design and lighting in programmes and films evoking eras and aesthetics.

Sarcasm. My first true language. Hyperbole, scathing comments, irony, infamy (infamy, they've all got it in fer me).

HG Wells, Jules Verne, Philip K Dick, Agatha Christie, Shakespeare.


It's how I knew about different countries, that other people's homes looked different, that other people had different lives that included jobs and education, music was more varied than anything heard indoors, that people spoke differently.


TV is the way I became able to pass for a vaguely functional human being. Because there wasn't any way I was going to be anything but a repeat of the previous generations without it there to give me a glimpse of something else, something more.
 
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