Jack Monroe #542 A dullard talking about Vienetta

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Hold on everyone, before the wheels come off the train totally and it derails and destroys the entire town!

I’ve grunked up to page 9 and we are going totally all in on ASDA/employment/THE POVERTY conspiracy theories and conflating too many things here.

Jack had three jobs in 2012 (four if you count the weekly “the newspaper” column she got given mid-year as a result of all her pompous old fart🌟STAR LETTERS 🌟)

She LEFT the fire service in November 2011 and went on benefits (she’d moved into the luxury Mews flat for £725 the month before). According to Jack’s “usual” timeline this is when she changed her name.

The earliest now-deleted blog posts from her are from March 2012 by when her name is already Jack Monroe.

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Then at the very end of March 2012 she got the pub job where she “wasn’t exactly using her degree”. She LEFT that mere weeks later, because the shifts they needed her to work meant she couldn’t claim top up benefits. She then went back on benefits for about five minutes (literally, days/a week or two at most-I’ll have to check).

In early May 2012 she even more briefly had a job in a folk music art coffee and cake shop, working 24 hours a week. That one was even more short lived as they put up with her for oh, about 24 hours and then told her never ever to darken their doors again, bewildering her as she’s so amazing she couldn’t understand why they fired her. She then went back on benefits.

In July 2012 she wrote Hunger Hurts then a couple of weeks later in August 2012 she “sold everything she owned”.

In Autumn 2012 she, again very briefly, got a job in a shop (which is where @MistyWindows hats are from). This one’s timeline is a bit more vague thanks to all the blog deletions, but again it was incredibly short-lived. I also remember @colouredlines posting about it.

By late November 2012 that job was long, long over with, she was back on benefits and she’d already launched “Bread And Jam” the tit craft business and subsequently (in/by early December) decided to come off benefits to be self employed and make that her full time job.

In late December 2012 she appeared in that ridiculous article in the NATIONAL “the newspaper” where she was “eking out a tiny income from her craft business.”
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Then in February 2013 she got the trainee journalist job at the Southend Echo, by which time her self employed business Bread and Jam was long long forgotten (never mentioned again after early January).

From what Jack has said elsewhere, her ASDA job was when she was a teenager.

There’s not some giant conspiracy theory that turns out Jack was working throughout THE POV. In fact, THE POV is almost entirely self inflicted because, by her own choice she moved to a far bigger and more expensive flat than she needed, then within weeks flounced out of her Fire Seevice job (having already been signed off sick with stress) THEN she kept going on and off benefits for an entire year to do these short lived jobs she couldn’t handle (or they couldn’t handle her!) or in a frankly bleeping ridiculous decision to become self employed off the back of a few hideous dresses and amateurish cross stitch and cufflinks purely because she’s not a Jeremy Kyle watching scumbag but wants to show her son that “Mummy Works”.

She’s moaned multiple times about her benefits “kept getting mixed up”. Well that’s exactly why.

One last thing- we are so desperate for new Jack content that we are jumping in with both feet when a year ago we would have been far more cynical. That “Asda person” on Xwitter could be totally making up ever working with her but we are just deciding it’s true.

It would be easy for any of us, if we were so inclined, to claim we’d worked with her and that she was a lazy twit and a nightmare- and when asked where list one of the dozens of jobs she’d claimed. “MY NAME IS DARREN AND I WORKED ON DEBENHAMS HOTPLATE WITH JACK MONROE!” “I FLIPPED CHICKEN ON HARVESTER GRILL WITH JACK MONROE!” “I FIRED JACK MONROE FROM THE FOLK MUSIC ART AND COFFEE AND CAKE PLACE!” “JACK MONROE FAKED HAVING A DEGREE IN MY PUB!” “I AM OLD CHIEF!”

(Edit to add ss of blog post with name already changed)

Thank you for all that you do. Any idea what the job is featured on the Instagram?

ETA: I have extracted the number from the barcode and have now commenced research into what the numbers mean...
 
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Aww Vali, I KNEW you were going to arrive here with all the receipts! I've been kind of dreading it because the tea was delish 😉 To be fair to squig all they said was "she worked in Asda and got moved to the warehouse", we did the rest ourselves.
Can anyone confirm the dispenser filling in the bordello?
 
But...if she left the fire service in Nov 2011 and wrote HH in July 2012, how does she fit 18 months of unemployment in the space of 7 months?!

Posting this quote from the G article again: "The blog might not have happened had she not been unemployed for 18 months, and been turned down for hundreds of jobs, many of them because she was considered "too old" at the age of 24"

(Unless it was before the fire service, and she forgot to mention that. Who the duck knows at this point)
She’s just lying as usual and journalists are not doing due diligence (as usual).

She’s talking about THE POVERTY but her entire timeline is fucked because it suit the narrative she’s spinning.

She left full time employment with the Fire Service in November 2011, and the first full time employment she got after that (AND that she thought good enough for her) was with the Southend Echo in Feb 2013. So 15 months.

According to her in later articles she applied for “over 300” jobs and there are even times when she gets super specific and says “342” jobs or whatever the duck it was. It’s just Jack’s lies. She didn’t want any of those jobs- she wanted a job she thought befitted her status. She spent the entirety of 2012 Cosplaying poverty in a fancy flat bleeping herself deeper into a hole by getting short lived job after job and coming on and off benefits. Eg

Then as the years move on and she has to attention-seek even more by 2018-19 she spent TWO YEARS IN THE COLD AND MOULD AND DAMP with NO FRIDGE AND NO LIGHTBULBS etc etc or LIVING ROUGH. She never mentioned being evicted before Greenbelt 2018 and now it’s multiple times. It’s just all lies!

I tend to go by her 2012-2013 now deleted blog posts to see what was really going on back then, and it’s nothing like she subsequently claims.

She’s just a fantasist, liar and attention seeking spoiled MC twit Cosplaying a period of TERRIBLE POVERTY and the Guardian and everyone else just lapped it all up

(In fact the only time she was “unemployed”/not working for 18 months was when she was on maternity leave and didn’t go back to work at the Fire Service til her son was 18 months old then flounced out 2 months later.)

Nothing she says makes sense, nothing adds up because it’s almost ALL lies and contradictions, plus she has a terrible bleeping memory, is arrogant AF and I’m coming to believe actually doesn’t give a duck that none of her stupid-ass stories add up because other than here and in blogs like AM nobody ever calls her out on them. FFS Shattenstone let her claim things in that interview that were completely contradicted a tit ton of articles she’d written/interviews she’d done for that same bleeping newspaper
 
Thank you Vali, I feel like I accidentally got everyone all riled up and then wasn’t sure what to do 😂 needed an adult

But honestly, what a load of bilge. A year of a few jobs not working out and she’s been wanging on about it for TEN YEARS.
I don’t think I’ll ever get over how ridiculous that really is.
 
Even Mr Motivation Man who posts the daily quotes with her tagged in sounds like he's having a little dig at guest.
Today's quote is "Stop being afraid of what can go wrong and start being positive about what can go right".
I think there is a plan in place to try to resurrect her career 🤡 and I can quite believe that she's terrified of the reaction it will get when it goes live.
There'll never be a right time guest 👋.
 
You don't realise how journalists simply don't check anything until you come into contact with it directly. Recently I knew someone 🧀🍕 who passed away, they had been well enough known to be mentioned in the papers. Even reputable newspapers got the place where they had died wrong, I mean as in wrong country. I know because I was there when they died! It almost seems more difficult to get that wrong than get it correct. This isn't the first incident like this I know of personally either

And so if you can't trust them to do even very simple easy fact verification, I have zero, zero confidence that they are capable of ( or can be bothered) checking things like dates someone was employed by a large organisation. For al I know Jack could have been an MP from 2010-2013 and I wouldn't trust the guardian to be able to verify that.

ETA oooh I'm "well- known"!!
 
She’s just lying as usual and journalists are not doing due diligence (as usual).

She’s talking about THE POVERTY but her entire timeline is fucked because it suit the narrative she’s spinning.

She left full time employment with the Fire Service in November 2011, and the first full time employment she got after that (AND that she thought good enough for her) was with the Southend Echo in Feb 2013. So 15 months.

According to her in later articles she applied for “over 300” jobs and there are even times when she gets super specific and says “342” jobs or whatever the duck it was. It’s just Jack’s lies. She didn’t want any of those jobs- she wanted a job she thought befitted her status. She spent the entirety of 2012 Cosplaying poverty in a fancy flat bleeping herself deeper into a hole by getting short lived job after job and coming on and off benefits. Eg

Then as the years move on and she has to attention-seek even more by 2018-19 she spent TWO YEARS IN THE COLD AND MOULD AND DAMP with NO FRIDGE AND NO LIGHTBULBS etc etc or LIVING ROUGH. She never mentioned being evicted before Greenbelt 2018 and now it’s multiple times. It’s just all lies!

I tend to go by her 2012-2013 now deleted blog posts to see what was really going on back then, and it’s nothing like she subsequently claims.

She’s just a fantasist, liar and attention seeking spoiled MC twit Cosplaying a period of TERRIBLE POVERTY and the Guardian and everyone else just lapped it all up

(In fact the only time she was “unemployed”/not working for 18 months was when she was on maternity leave and didn’t go back to work at the Fire Service til her son was 18 months old then flounced out 2 months later.)

Nothing she says makes sense, nothing adds up because it’s almost ALL lies and contradictions, plus she has a terrible bleeping memory, is arrogant AF and I’m coming to believe actually doesn’t give a duck that none of her stupid-ass stories add up because other than here and in blogs like AM nobody ever calls her out on them. FFS Shattenstone let her claim things in that interview that were completely contradicted a tit ton of articles she’d written/interviews she’d done for that same bleeping newspaper
Vali - ALL OF THIS ❤ ❤
 
Gawd, this "too old at 24" bullshit is so irritating. Completely aside from the fact that she would have no way of knowing she was being turned down for the job because she was "too old" unless the prospective employers had told her that, it was COMPLETELY bleeping ILLEGAL to discriminate on grounds of age since the Equality Act, which came into force on 1st October 2010, ie a full bleeping year before she left the fire service, so these employers would have been leaving themselves wide open, legally speaking, were it true. There's is no way this happened. We all know Jack was lying, but why the duck was the Guardian printing this stuff without so much as a basic fact-check? They wanted a pet pov, that's why, and they knew their readership were keen to be seen giving a duck about poverty but they couldn't very well be seen platforming any old Waynetta type. It's infuriating.

ETA - I got my first ever bar job at the age of 36. duck off with your bullshit Jack and just admit that you didn't want to do any job, full stop, never mind one that's so beneath you.
 
I think the hats are Macy's brand, but I cannot be certain. Might recommence sleuthing at a later date.

ETA: Another timeline. Feel like there is another one out there with sex work and rummaging through bins to survive, but might be misremembered.

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Hold on everyone, before the wheels come off the train totally and it derails and destroys the entire town!

I’ve grunked up to page 9 and we are going totally all in on ASDA/employment/THE POVERTY conspiracy theories and conflating too many things here.

Jack had three jobs in 2012 (four if you count the weekly “the newspaper” column she got given mid-year as a result of all her pompous old fart🌟STAR LETTERS 🌟)

She LEFT the fire service in November 2011 and went on benefits (she’d moved into the luxury Mews flat for £725 the month before). According to Jack’s “usual” timeline this is when she changed her name.

The earliest now-deleted blog posts from her are from March 2012 by when her name is already Jack Monroe.

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Then at the very end of March 2012 she got the pub job where she “wasn’t exactly using her degree”. She LEFT that mere weeks later, because the shifts they needed her to work meant she couldn’t claim top up benefits. She then went back on benefits for about five minutes (literally, days/a week or two at most-I’ll have to check).

In early May 2012 she even more briefly had a job in a folk music art coffee and cake shop, working 24 hours a week. That one was even more short lived as they put up with her for oh, about 24 hours and then told her never ever to darken their doors again, bewildering her as she’s so amazing she couldn’t understand why they fired her. She then went back on benefits.

In July 2012 she wrote Hunger Hurts then a couple of weeks later in August 2012 she “sold everything she owned”.

In Autumn 2012 she, again very briefly, got a job in a shop (which is where @MistyWindows hats are from). This one’s timeline is a bit more vague thanks to all the blog deletions, but again it was incredibly short-lived. I also remember @colouredlines posting about it.

By late November 2012 that job was long, long over with, she was back on benefits and she’d already launched “Bread And Jam” the tit craft business and subsequently (in/by early December) decided to come off benefits to be self employed and make that her full time job.

In late December 2012 she appeared in that ridiculous article in the NATIONAL “the newspaper” where she was “eking out a tiny income from her craft business.”
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Then in February 2013 she got the trainee journalist job at the Southend Echo, by which time her self employed business Bread and Jam was long long forgotten (never mentioned again after early January).

From what Jack has said elsewhere, her ASDA job was when she was a teenager.

There’s not some giant conspiracy theory that turns out Jack was working throughout THE POV. In fact, THE POV is almost entirely self inflicted because, by her own choice she moved to a far bigger and more expensive flat than she needed, then within weeks flounced out of her Fire Seevice job (having already been signed off sick with stress) THEN she kept going on and off benefits for an entire year to do these short lived jobs she couldn’t handle (or they couldn’t handle her!) or in a frankly bleeping ridiculous decision to become self employed off the back of a few hideous dresses and amateurish cross stitch and cufflinks purely because she’s not a Jeremy Kyle watching scumbag but wants to show her son that “Mummy Works”.

She’s moaned multiple times about her benefits “kept getting mixed up”. Well that’s exactly why.

One last thing- we are so desperate for new Jack content that we are jumping in with both feet when a year ago we would have been far more cynical. That “Asda person” on Xwitter could be totally making up ever working with her but we are just deciding it’s true.

It would be easy for any of us, if we were so inclined, to claim we’d worked with her and that she was a lazy twit and a nightmare- and when asked where list one of the dozens of jobs she’d claimed. “MY NAME IS DARREN AND I WORKED ON DEBENHAMS HOTPLATE WITH JACK MONROE!” “I FLIPPED CHICKEN ON HARVESTER GRILL WITH JACK MONROE!” “I FIRED JACK MONROE FROM THE FOLK MUSIC ART AND COFFEE AND CAKE PLACE!” “JACK MONROE FAKED HAVING A DEGREE IN MY PUB!” “I AM OLD CHIEF!”

(Edit to add ss of blog post with name already changed)
Very well said Valli, as usual you lead the troops. The thing that had the ring of truth to me is the squig posting under what appears to be her real name and knowing Jack’s a litigatious bitter horror bag who might go on attack mode over her very mild criticism.
 
You don't realise how journalists simply don't check anything until you come into contact with it directly. Recently I knew someone 🧀🍕 who passed away, they had been well enough known to be mentioned in the papers. Even reputable newspapers got the place where they had died wrong, I mean as in wrong country. I know because I was there when they died! It almost seems more difficult to get that wrong than get it correct. This isn't the first incident like this I know of personally either

And so if you can't trust them to do even very simple easy fact verification, I have zero, zero confidence that they are capable of ( or can be bothered) checking things like dates someone was employed by a large organisation. For al I know Jack could have been an MP from 2010-2013 and I wouldn't trust the guardian to be able to verify that.

ETA oooh I'm "well- known"!!

I wonder how much power they actually have to check things like that.

Obviously an MP role is different but take her fire service role, if she is just giving an interview about cooking and the pov, do the Guardian actually have the right to ring up Essex fire and rescue and find out when she was employed? Ditto Asda. When a new employer asks a previous one for a reference, you’ve consented to that and provided the details… without consent and a better reason than “she mentions leaving her job being why she had no money” I wouldn’t expect they could check tbh. Perhaps a confirmation she’d worked there at one point but no more unless they put an entire team on it and did an in-depth investigation of her grift or something.

The other contradictions that are public knowledge including the ones in various versions of their articles they should definitely have picked up on.
 
@colouredlines did a long deep dive through the Open House sale last year that’s well worth a read. As local Southend fraus who knew Jack at the time have confirmed, the DIRE predicament she found herself in was all just lies and attention seeking


Its jaw dropping. @Lazarus added Jack’s mum telling her not to sell her camera
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And there’s also this…
The “V ticket with camping she bought before leaving the fire service in November 2011”
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Except as @Cucumberthunder found within about 5 minutes, those tickets didn’t even go on sale until March 2012 when she was already on the bones of her arse with her heating turned off selling stuff and before she even got that pub job in late March.
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It’s ALL LIES!!!

As is this.
Check out the dates in the house sale timeline. 3rd august and she’s beside her fuckingself with all the attention plus her house sale pics are already in the Echo!
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Hunger Hurts: 30th July, FOUR days earlier.
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bleeping DISGUSTING DESPICABLE LIAR
 
@colouredlines did a long deep dive through the Open House sale last year that’s well worth a read. As local Southend fraus who knew Jack at the time have confirmed, the DIRE predicament she found herself in was all just lies and attention seeking


Its jaw dropping. @Lazarus added Jack’s mum telling her not to sell her camera
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And there’s also this…
The “V ticket with camping she bought before leaving the fire service in November 2011”
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Except as @Cucumberthunder found within about 5 minutes, those tickets didn’t even go on sale until March 2012 when she was already on the bones of her arse with her heating turned off selling stuff and before she even got that pub job in late March.
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It’s ALL LIES!!!

As is this.
Check out the dates in the house sale timeline. 3rd august and she’s beside her fuckingself with all the attention plus her house sale pics are already in the Echo!
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Hunger Hurts: 30th July, FOUR days earlier.
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I don’t think I have ever hated anyone more.
 
I wonder how much power they actually have to check things like that.

Obviously an MP role is different but take her fire service role, if she is just giving an interview about cooking and the pov, do the Guardian actually have the right to ring up Essex fire and rescue and find out when she was employed? Ditto Asda. When a new employer asks a previous one for a reference, you’ve consented to that and provided the details… without consent and a better reason than “she mentions leaving her job being why she had no money” I wouldn’t expect they could check tbh. Perhaps a confirmation she’d worked there at one point but no more unless they put an entire team on it and did an in-depth investigation of her grift or something.

The other contradictions that are public knowledge including the ones in various versions of their articles they should definitely have picked up on.
True, but all they’d have to do is read ONE of the minuscule number of articles about her at that point to this point (Xanthe Clay March 2013) to know when she left the fire service and that what they wrote in July 2013 was bollox/completely contradictory.
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It would be very satisfying if -- just once -- someone in Jack's real life responded to one of her litigious threats with: "Bring.It.On.Mutthafucka."

Lee Anderson sort of did, just by saying nothing much for a year and allowing the speculation on social media to fester.

I would love it if an ordinary civilian who's encountered her IRL just blurted it all out in a public space and then, when she threatens to sue for libel, says: "Fine. Do it."

Because Jack wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on in probably 99% of instances. There's a couple of tests that apply in libel cases. One of these is to prove whether or not the allegation is true. Jack might have a hard time proving some of her nonsense stands up to this test in court. Another is that the allegation must verifiably damage the person's reputatation -- another sticky point for JM.

Obviously any normal person would want to avoid litigation. But fuckin' 'ell, I'd relish seeing just one person take her on.
 
True, but all they’d have to do is read ONE of the minuscule number of articles about her at that point to this point (Xanthe Clay March 2013) to know when she left the fire service and that what they wrote in July 2013 was bollox/completely contradictory.
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Yeah that’s what I meant at the end, the contradictions are public knowledge because she (and they) have put them out there.

It was more mithering on the “checking dates someone worked at a large organisation” that I don’t think is quite as simple as it seems. If she said to them “the telegraph made a mistake/misquoted me” they could potentially ask the telegraph for their version of events (and now they could google and see there are 75 versions of events) but they have couldn’t gone off to Essex FRS to ask them to clear it up - they’d either have to take Jack’s word or the telegraph’s and it’s quite possible neither of those were true.
 
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