Ioan Gruffudd and Alice Evans #4 He’s just not that into you

[IHateHadargoyle]

I had a thought. He left her in January and got an apartment. In LA. So until the move for work to France, he's been living in the same city as her. And possibly BW living with him. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the bunny boiler reckons she knew nothing about BW until last week. So he must have some seriously protective friends. In the same city, moving in the same circles, but AE didn't know where he lived or who the woman was. Because if I'm right, if she knew where he lived, she'd be there at all hours, stalking, taking photos, stealing clothes off the line, etc. No-one just protects their own privacy in that sort of town, you need to have lots of other people helping. People who know but don't breath a word. That's very interesting. That's really very interesting.

I honestly don’t believe that BW was living there, although she may have visited. But I too have wondered about the BB”bunny boiler” stalking Ioan. In fact, I wouldn’t doubt if she doesn’t track where Elsie is on her phone when she visits.

 

[bluecandle]

I had a thought. He left her in January and got an apartment. In LA. So until the move for work to France, he's been living in the same city as her. And possibly BW living with him. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the bunny boiler reckons she knew nothing about BW until last week. So he must have some seriously protective friends. In the same city, moving in the same circles, but AE didn't know where he lived or who the woman was. Because if I'm right, if she knew where he lived, she'd be there at all hours, stalking, taking photos, stealing clothes off the line, etc. No-one just protects their own privacy in that sort of town, you need to have lots of other people helping. People who know but don't breath a word. That's very interesting. That's really very interesting.

Not sure if BW made the move to California yet (though I think she will after they leave France). Probably just visited between January and July when he left for France. I mean, if the girls were at the apartment visiting, which I believe the younger one was at least once or twice a week, you’d think they would’ve seen her things if she was living there and reported back to AE (I’m not one of the posters who thinks they’d keep it from her like some others do. I believe AE when she says the younger one is upset about him having a girlfriend, so I think seeing a woman’s things at Daddy’s house would’ve flipped her out and AE would’ve heard about it).

 

[EssieMay]

Now IG has NOT cut his kids off, just Alice.

Christmas will be interesting. I can see a big fight over who gets the kids for xmas. IG will be back in LA, maybe living with BW by then?

AE really is full of tit.

Where are you getting this from?

 

[Orphan_Black]

if you are appalled by Alice's behaviour some automatically think you are pro Ioan.

Yeah, I don't like Ioan. He comes across as vain, controlling and ill tempered. I feel bad that Alice is so besotted with the silly twit that she can't see it. So many red flags, years before they split, but rose tinted glasses hid them all from her.

Alice is strange and kooky, but, she seemed pleasant enough before he walked out, he really ripped out the centre of her universe and she needs to regain herself. It's a hard task, but she needs to be the strength her daughters need right now.

 

[EssieMay]

Kids may just be upset because they know AE will be upset if he has a girlfriend.
The eldest may be not talking to him, not because she hates him but because she knows its the only way to keep her mother's stress levels from going through the roof.
I mean, its pretty obvious AE leans on those girls WAAAY too much for it to be healthy for them. They are being forced to act as counsellors, drink filler-uppers and heaven knows what else.

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

Yeah, I don't like Ioan. He comes across as vain, controlling and ill tempered. I feel bad that Alice is so besotted with the silly twit that she can't see it. So many red flags, years before they split, but rose tinted glasses hid them all from her.

Alice is strange and kooky, but, she seemed pleasant enough before he walked out, he really ripped out the centre of her universe and she needs to regain herself. It's a hard task, but she needs to be the strength her daughters need right now.

I’m nosy as hell and am curious what those red flags were about Ioan. If you don’t mind enlightening me.

 

[bluecandle]

Kids may just be upset because they know AE will be upset if he has a girlfriend.
The eldest may be not talking to him, not because she hates him but because she knows its the only way to keep her mother's stress levels from going through the roof.
I mean, its pretty obvious AE leans on those girls WAAAY too much for it to be healthy for them. They are being forced to act as counsellors, drink filler-uppers and heaven knows what else.

Definitely possible, but equally possibly they’re just upset that their Dad left the house and is with someone other than their Mother now.

When I was the younger ones age, I didn’t have the reasoning skills to know they’d be better apart if they weren’t happy together. I just knew I wanted both of them with me and I resented everyone they dated and felt guilty if I happened to like one (and I felt that way even though neither of my parents did anything to make me feel like I should. Didn’t trash each other, didn’t act sad or angry around me). But I guess every kid and every circumstance is different.

AE is saying the older one is fine now, so hopefully she is and hopefully the younger one will be too. I’m sure you’re right and that AE does make it a lot trickier for them to process since she doesn’t hide her emotions (at least not on Instagram or Twitter, which she’s said they read)

 

[Marj24]

Yeah, I don't like Ioan. He comes across as vain, controlling and ill tempered. I feel bad that Alice is so besotted with the silly twit that she can't see it. So many red flags, years before they split, but rose tinted glasses hid them all from her.

Alice is strange and kooky, but, she seemed pleasant enough before he walked out, he really ripped out the centre of her universe and she needs to regain herself. It's a hard task, but she needs to be the strength her daughters need right now.

I don't know enough about Ioan to like or dislike him, I doubt he it's faultless but Alice's behaviour has been off the charts! I don't doubt she is hurting but she needs to protect her daughters. I can't see any scenario where her current behaviour is acceptable.

 

[Orphan_Black]

I’m nosy as hell and am curious what those red flags were about Ioan. If you don’t mind enlightening me. ☺

Just from scrolling through her insta;

-She repeatedly says how Ioan will be mad about her posting things, especially if he doesn't look Hollywood perfect in the snap. Most pictures are near identical of him. Criticising her about not getting his angles and colours right.
-There's a few videos on her insta where it cuts off just as you see Ioan being irate, or you actually hear him ask her to not post it.
-Many times she gets criticised by him for 'talking to much', even makes her move seats if it's annoying him, or just out right ignores her. (Yes she talks a lot, some people just do).
-He is so bloody vain, and stuck on his phone in so many photos/videos, ignoring family life around him. I think he cares more about public opinion than she does. All about his image.
-Always putting his wants over her needs, one example- last night together before he flies for filming for months and he goes to bed early.


I'm not excusing her madness right now, but, there was a lot of laughter in that home when Ioan WASN'T there, before he decided to leave his family, as in when he was off filming. When I first heard of all this it was easy to point fingers at AE and mock her madness. Looking into her life before this event paints her in a better light. She's just one of those people who does talk a lot, and has loads of energy, and craves attention. She's been given a platform now to get such attention and she's lapping it up as she thinks it's helping her, when it's not.

Ioan is playing it completely cool, not saying anything, and giving her enough rope to hang herself if that makes sense? He purposely posted a pic of him and BW with a snidey comment to get a reaction imo. Very sneaky, very manipulative. I get bad vibes from him all round. I don't know if he went as far as gas lighting her, but I definitely think there was an element of coercive control from his side.

Alice needs to calm the duck down, think logically, care for herself, care for her kids, realise she doesn't even want Ioan back as her partner, but he'll always be those two girls dad (Ioan needs to step up in that respect), and she needs to step away from both social media (and the drink it seems). She looked perfectly lovely a year ago, this whole saga is having a major effect on her physical health, and Alice, if you're reading this, Ioan ain't worth it. He's gone, good riddance.

In summary- he wasn't the prize catch she thought he was, sad yes, but, she's got 2 lovely daughters out of it, and if she could tone down the scathing attacks, stop making them front-row-centre to all the social media shenanigans, and realise the newspapers aren't on her side either, Daily Mail especially are fuelling this now, and I find it a bit sick on their part, her and the two E's, can have a wonderful life. Everyone will suffer whilst AE is still feeling this raw over things.

Again, not condoning her behaviour, still think she's bonkers, but, I get her anger. Woman needs help and Ioan needs to step up to his responsibilities as a father.

 

[SponsorMyLife]

Not sure if BW made the move to California yet (though I think she will after they leave France). Probably just visited between January and July when he left for France. I mean, if the girls were at the apartment visiting, which I believe the younger one was at least once or twice a week, you’d think they would’ve seen her things if she was living there and reported back to AE (I’m not one of the posters who thinks they’d keep it from her like some others do. I believe AE when she says the younger one is upset about him having a girlfriend, so I think seeing a woman’s things at Daddy’s house would’ve flipped her out and AE would’ve heard about it).

I don't even necessarily know if she would've visited him, getting in and out of Australia (before this week) was next to impossible, unless a person was granted a work permit, in which case most of them had to make it clear the trip was for 3 months or longer, and then they were required to do 14 days of hotel quarantine upon returning. She has a bunch of pictures from in and around Queensland between January and September-ish when she appears to be in France. No mention of quarantine, or posting pictures from LA (which she definitely would have, she seems to like to document things) , and a lot of references to various lockdowns QLD had over that time period.
She didn't post at all from the end of May to the beginning of July, but again, she wouldn't have been able to get out of the country, spend time in LA, fly back to Aus, quarantine and then be at an event at the end of July (it's possible, but next to no one was granted a travel exemption that wasn't for 3 months +, unless IG was able to get an exemption for her somehow).

 

[bluecandle]

I don't even necessarily know if she would've visited him, getting in and out of Australia (before this week) was next to impossible, unless a person was granted a work permit, in which case most of them had to make it clear the trip was for 3 months or longer, and then they were required to do 14 days of hotel quarantine upon returning. She has a bunch of pictures from in and around Queensland between January and September-ish when she appears to be in France. No mention of quarantine, or posting pictures from LA (which she definitely would have, she seems to like to document things) , and a lot of references to various lockdowns QLD had over that time period.
She didn't post at all from the end of May to the beginning of July, but again, she wouldn't have been able to get out of the country, spend time in LA, fly back to Aus, quarantine and then be at an event at the end of July (it's possible, but next to no one was granted a travel exemption that wasn't for 3 months +, unless IG was able to get an exemption for her somehow).

That’s really good information! Now I REALLY think they must’ve spent meaningful time together before the separation when he was in Oz, then. I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable going to another country for **2 months** to be with a guy I’d just been talking to on the phone up til that point, anyway. And if this really is the first time they’re hanging out beyond their interaction on set, announcing her as his girlfriend almost as soon as she got there seems kinda nutty. But who knows.

I wonder how they plan to move her to the US (if that’s the plan)? Ive watched 90 day fiancé and even couples who have been together for years have trouble getting approved for the fiancé visa. Seems it takes longer now than ever. I guess she could come on a work visa, but I think she’d have to show proof of a valid job offer. Otherwise it seems like they’re in for a lot of traveling back & forth and possibly quarantining if she’s only permitted to stay in the country for however long a visitors visa is (6 months at a time, I think?)

 

[Perplexity]

Just from scrolling through her insta;

-She repeatedly says how Ioan will be mad about her posting things, especially if he doesn't look Hollywood perfect in the snap. Most pictures are near identical of him. Criticising her about not getting his angles and colours right.
-There's a few videos on her insta where it cuts off just as you see Ioan being irate, or you actually hear him ask her to not post it.
-Many times she gets criticised by him for 'talking to much', even makes her move seats if it's annoying him, or just out right ignores her. (Yes she talks a lot, some people just do).
-He is so bloody vain, and stuck on his phone in so many photos/videos, ignoring family life around him. I think he cares more about public opinion than she does. All about his image.

I disagree with this really hard. Taking photos of someone they don’t like and posting them without their consent is crappy and intrusive. My husband knows I do not like pictures and videos to be taken of me, much less posted online, and I’m not remotely famous (or vain), I’m just very private. If he’s actually getting angry and asking her not to but she does it anyway, how does this make him the tit one? She’s supposed to love him! But the truth is she didn’t seem to care about his discomfort and just wanted the sweet dopamine hit from the SM attention.

Also the photos when he’s looking at his phone could just as easily be moments when he’s having a bit of peace and quiet and she couldn’t bear his attention not being on her - so what does she do but take his photo and post it online yet again, accompanied with a sarky comment. It’s horrible behaviour and I don’t understand anyone being fine with it. Is this considered ok in the world of SM to post pictures whether the other person wants them there or not? Photos of you in a private moment at home? Details of a private argument? It sounds absolutely exhausting.

And posting a photo of you and your new girlfriend on Instagram doesn’t fit any definition of coercive control I’ve ever read.

 

[Silver Linings]

(In the bottom one she’s talking about that poor costume designer.)

 

[welp]

This girl is nuts. She herself even follows that account

Newsflash Alice: Most people are here to watch the DRAMA

Man, with every tweet she turns more and more into Trump

That’s really good information! Now I REALLY think they must’ve spent meaningful time together before the separation when he was in Oz, then. I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable going to another country for **2 months** to be with a guy I’d just been talking to on the phone up til that point, anyway. And if this really is the first time they’re hanging out beyond their interaction on set, announcing her as his girlfriend almost as soon as she got there seems kinda nutty. But who knows.

Not saying it's the case here as I also support Alice's theory that they must be having something for a long time. But I have friends who introduced their new relationship before they even met them physically (they basically spend all day on Zoom), I find this completely nuts, but it seems common these days.

He didnt worke until August I believe, and didnt had the kids 50 % of the time from what Alice said. Sure, there are probably auditions for jobs and lawyer meetings for his divorce or just the normal socialising with friends, but I wouldnt be surprised if they are like my friends and spend almost the whole day in a Zoom LOL.

She has a bunch of pictures from in and around Queensland between January and September-ish when she appears to be in France. No mention of quarantine, or posting pictures from LA (which she definitely would have, she seems to like to document things) , and a lot of references to various lockdowns QLD had over that time period.
She didn't post at all from the end of May to the beginning of July, but again, she wouldn't have been able to get out of the country, spend time in LA, fly back to Aus, quarantine and then be at an event at the end of July (it's possible, but next to no one was granted a travel exemption that wasn't for 3 months +, unless IG was able to get an exemption for her somehow).

Not saying that's the case, but people dont always post on IG their current location.

But yeah, with how restrictions were in Oz I really doubt it too.

 

[What's your point]

I disagree with this really hard. Taking photos of someone they don’t like and posting them without their consent is crappy and intrusive. My husband knows I do not like pictures and videos to be taken of me, much less posted online, and I’m not remotely famous (or vain), I’m just very private. If he’s actually getting angry and asking her not to but she does it anyway, how does this make him the tit one? She’s supposed to love him! But the truth is she didn’t seem to care about his discomfort and just wanted the sweet dopamine hit from the SM attention.

Also the photos when he’s looking at his phone could just as easily be moments when he’s having a bit of peace and quiet and she couldn’t bear his attention not being on her - so what does she do but take his photo and post it online yet again, accompanied with a sarky comment. It’s horrible behaviour and I don’t understand anyone being fine with it. Is this considered ok in the world of SM to post pictures whether the other person wants them there or not? Photos of you in a private moment at home? Details of a private argument? It sounds absolutely exhausting.

And posting a photo of you and your new girlfriend on Instagram doesn’t fit any definition of coercive control I’ve ever read.

Yeh I am with you on this one. I am not a IG fan at all but I have to say I would be really pissed if my partner was putting photos of me on social media when asked not to. Maybe he does come across grumpy at times about it but you should only need to say once that you dont like it and after that it shouldnt happen.

 

[SponsorMyLife]

I disagree with this really hard. Taking photos of someone they don’t like and posting them without their consent is crappy and intrusive. My husband knows I do not like pictures and videos to be taken of me, much less posted online, and I’m not remotely famous (or vain), I’m just very private. If he’s actually getting angry and asking her not to but she does it anyway, how does this make him the tit one? She’s supposed to love him! But the truth is she didn’t seem to care about his discomfort and just wanted the sweet dopamine hit from the SM attention.

Also the photos when he’s looking at his phone could just as easily be moments when he’s having a bit of peace and quiet and she couldn’t bear his attention not being on her - so what does she do but take his photo and post it online yet again, accompanied with a sarky comment. It’s horrible behaviour and I don’t understand anyone being fine with it. Is this considered ok in the world of SM to post pictures whether the other person wants them there or not? Photos of you in a private moment at home? Details of a private argument? It sounds absolutely exhausting.

And posting a photo of you and your new girlfriend on Instagram doesn’t fit any definition of coercive control I’ve ever read.

I agree with you, there's certain boundaries even spouses should respect. Him not wanting his picture taken, or being on his phone, or falling asleep early the night before travelling is hardly massive red flags.

 

[NonDairyQueen]

It seems like she's trying to scare BW, and any other potentials, off Ioan. We all collect baggage as we age, but jesus christ, could you imagine having her on at you like that? Purposely making sure the kids will hate you? Always trying to call the shots and pull the strings? Christ no. If BW is with Ioan, then good luck to her as she hasn't walked into this blindly.

The way AE talks is so possessive, Ioan is hers and hers alone. Their marriage is just a bit of paper at this point, but, he is still HER HUSBAND. Jeez, Alice, go read this thread title again.

I don't think it will last. He's not worth the hassle with her in tow. But he won't go back to her. He'll dislike her even more for ruining his relationship and probably his career.

 

[SponsorMyLife]

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(In the bottom one she’s talking about that poor costume designer.)

So apparently any account on the flip side is an "I hate Alice site" - even though the costume designer is just telling her experience from being around Ioan on set.
She's even accusing people "on her side" of double crossing her for following her.

 

[NonDairyQueen]

I disagree with this really hard. Taking photos of someone they don’t like and posting them without their consent is crappy and intrusive. My husband knows I do not like pictures and videos to be taken of me, much less posted online, and I’m not remotely famous (or vain), I’m just very private. If he’s actually getting angry and asking her not to but she does it anyway, how does this make him the tit one? She’s supposed to love him! But the truth is she didn’t seem to care about his discomfort and just wanted the sweet dopamine hit from the SM attention.

Also the photos when he’s looking at his phone could just as easily be moments when he’s having a bit of peace and quiet and she couldn’t bear his attention not being on her - so what does she do but take his photo and post it online yet again, accompanied with a sarky comment. It’s horrible behaviour and I don’t understand anyone being fine with it. Is this considered ok in the world of SM to post pictures whether the other person wants them there or not? Photos of you in a private moment at home? Details of a private argument? It sounds absolutely exhausting.

And posting a photo of you and your new girlfriend on Instagram doesn’t fit any definition of coercive control I’ve ever read.

I agree. Posting photos and videos of someone without their consent is not on. Of course all the pictures of him are of him annoyed and on his phone. He doesn't want her putting pictures of him online! She does it to get attention from his old lady fans.

 

[welp]

Also, I do think that some of the accounts that are attacking Alice are just alts of people that previously argued with Alice and were blocked (I hope it's not what she believes and it's from Ioan and his girlfriend, but none of those accounts have given off the vibe to me), but definitely not as many as she believes (and I believe more people would argue with her if they wouldnt already know that her fanclub will harrass them, it's one reason why I never interacted on twitter with her). I'm using twitter for ages and have less than 50 followers. It's because I dont have it as a personal account (something that friends could follow), and I never post my own things but only comment occasionally under news tweets, you dont gain many followers this way usually, but her and her minions always dismissed people with not many followers. It's part of their SM addiction.

Also, them being triggered about one friend speaking out for Ioan and his GF after they were attacked with what they know is hilarious. Deb, Lin and all the others doing this unprompted, often with slurs, is totally fine though!

Ioan is an complete idiot. Not only the announcement and the likely cheating. Him being involved until a year ago with these sort of people and even married with one for ages always made me question him.