Harry and Meghan #33 When Needy met Greedy

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PennyCrayon said:
Thank you for post in that Bluebells. Interesting.

But here’s an idea, just get of your arses and go see how he is. If that’s all to much for you, send him some protection wether he wanted it or not (let’s face it British protection officers are very discreet and would hardly have made it obvious they were there). Thomas was like a rabbit in the headlights and left to stumble through. Maybe he made mistakes but there is no excuse for Harry not to have met him, the fact that he didn’t speaks volumes. Were they expecting Thomas to turn up for the wedding not knowing the protocol involved? The correct suit to wear? What was required in his speech? So, for all his mistakes I still feel he was thrown to the wolves.
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Sounds like Meghan, then Harry, nagged him and told him what to do from the start, but without including him or showing any kindness. The mess with her dad is all on Meghan.
 
NOID-phal said:
Sounds like Meghan, then Harry, nagged him and told him what to do from the start, but without including him or showing any kindness. The mess with her dad is all on Meghan.
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I also think it says a lot about Harry that he never even made the effort to go and see or meet him during the time they were courting. Who behaves like that? Did Sheagain actively dissuade because she was embarrassed of her father and where he lived?
 
The cynic in me thinks...
If the RF Sue's Smeg and h and the plastic fantasist...would that mean Charlie is actually sueing himself??
Win ,lose or draw does he still lose??
And...how can we trust an author about anything if he doesn't even know how old he is??Couldn't he just ask his mother as she was there at the time....
Has all his plastic remodeling melted his brain?..or does he use the same maths teacher as Smeg?
Is he appearing for the prosecution or the defense in the court case or both in the interests of fairness?
Has he received an advance for his book or will he end up owing them money?
...these and other questions will be answered very soon in our next installment of How to lose friends and alienate ppl...
 
MogTheCat said:
Here's the latest excerpt from the Sunday Times:

No workplace is perfect. In the rarefied world of the monarchy, the pressure could be insane. Such were the internal politics between Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Kensington Palace that even royal-watchers started snickering when it appeared the households were scheduling events and social media posts on the same day to outdo one another. “There has always been competitiveness between the households,” admits a senior aide. “That will never change.”

It could hardly have come as a surprise that leaks were happening. One courtier privately bragged to friends about their ability to place a story, positive or negative, in any publication with a click of their fingers, and another told a respected newspaper editor that he could “handle anything after putting up with one of Meghan’s temper tantrums”. Staff described the atmosphere inside the three households as “competitive”, “miserable” and “full-on”.


Responsibility for the problem didn’t rest completely with the household staff — some of it came from the princes themselves. The rift had begun when the Duke of Cambridge questioned the pace at which his brother’s relationship with Meghan was moving.

“A happy and content Harry is rare, so to see him practically skipping around was a delight,” a source still in regular contact with the brothers said. “But at the same time William has always felt he needs to look out for Harry, not as a future monarch but as an older brother. Their whole adult lives he’s felt he should keep an eye on Harry and make sure he’s not in trouble and on a good path.”

Back when Meghan and Harry were dating, William, having met Meghan only a handful of times, wanted to make sure the American actress had the right intentions. “After all, these are two brothers that have spent their whole lives with people trying to take advantage of them,” the source said. “They’ve both developed a radar to detect that type of person, but as William didn’t know a whole lot about Meghan, he wanted to make sure Harry wasn’t blindsided by lust.”

Some members of staff were whispering words of alarm into the Duke of Cambridge’s ear. Meghan was totally foreign to this group of advisers, who could sometimes be even more conservative than the institution they guarded.

This was the backdrop when William sat down with his brother to discuss his relationship with Meghan.

“Don’t feel you need to rush this,” William told Harry, according to sources. “Take as much time as you need to get to know this girl.”

In those last two words, “this girl”, Harry heard the tone of snobbishness that was anathema to his approach to the world. During his 10-year career in the military, outside the royal bubble, he had learnt not to make snap judgments about people based on their accent, education, ethnicity, class or profession.

Also, to remove Meghan from the equation, Harry was tired of the dynamic that had become established between him and his older brother. There had come a point when Harry no longer felt as though he needed looking after. There was a thin line between caring and condescending. Just because he went about his life differently from his brother didn’t make it wrong.

William may have felt he was acting out of concern, but Harry was offended that his older brother still treated him as if he were immature. “Harry was pissed off,” another source said. “Pissed off that his brother would ask such a thing. Some felt it was an overreaction. But then, this sums them up as people — William, the calm and rational one, and Harry, who can’t help but take things far too personally.”

“Harry has a heart of gold, but he’s incredibly sensitive,” a longtime family friend said.

Though another friend added: “Harry could see through William’s words. He was being a snob.”

Harry was taken aback, even angry, despite the fact that William was simply looking out for his brother. He didn’t really know Meghan yet. William was concerned that Harry had isolated himself from many of their old friends. “But perhaps he just didn’t want to accept that Harry had grown up and become his own man,” said a source.

At least two other family members also voiced concerns to each other over the pace at which Harry’s relationship had moved. Meghan had often been the topic of conversation and gossip among them. When she arrived in the prince’s life, one senior royal referred to the American actress as “Harry’s showgirl”. Another told an aide, “She comes with a lot of baggage”. And a high-ranking courtier was overheard telling a colleague, “There’s just something about her I don’t trust.”

Harry was “aware of the talk”, a close friend of his said. “He’s extremely protective of Meghan. He understands that a lot of people are against them, and he will do everything he can to keep her safe and away from getting hurt — even if that means distancing himself from those people.”

Harry didn’t care what his family thought or said. “Nothing was going to get in the way of his happiness,” a source close to Harry and Meghan said. “He knew Meghan was right for him. Their love was real, and their feelings for each other were genuine. Everything else was noise.”

In the months after William talked to Harry about the relationship, the two hardly spoke. The brothers went from always making time for each other to spending barely any time together. Harry had always loved popping across the grounds of the palace to see George and Charlotte, bringing them gifts that included an electric SUV for his nephew and a tricycle for his niece. But those visits had come to a virtual halt by the summer of 2017. In fact, Harry had spent less time with Prince Louis than the others because of the growing tension between him and his brother after Louis’s birth on April 23, 2018. The distance came from both directions. Harry spent less time going over to see the children, but the invitations from William and Kate were the first to dry up.

Though it was not necessarily her responsibility, Kate did little to bridge the divide. She was fiercely loyal to her husband and his family.

Once Harry and Meghan were married, the gap between the brothers only widened. William and Kate’s feelings seemed obvious to the Sussexes that summer and beyond. Among all the friends and family Harry and Meghan hosted at their house in Oxfordshire between May 2018 and March 2019, the Cambridges failed to visit. “The invite was there,” a source said.

It was a far cry from how Harry had envisioned his future. The younger prince once told a friend that he had an image of getting married and spending time with William and Kate, the two couples together, their children best friends.

The friction between the brothers was one of several reasons Harry wanted to base his family in Windsor. “He wanted to get away from the goldfish bowl that was Kensington Palace,” a source said. “Everywhere you turn, you’re surrounded by staff and family. He was at a point in his life where he was working with his brother, doing the foundation with his brother and living by his brother. It was too much.”

High-ranking aides across all three royal households were so alarmed by the press coverage and speculation on social media about a rift between the brothers and their wives that they began openly discussing the impact it could have on the monarchy if things weren’t righted.

‘The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will move to Frogmore Cottage on the Windsor estate early next year as they prepare for the arrival of their first child,” the palace announced in November 2018 of their new home, a stone’s throw from Windsor Castle and just yards from Frogmore House, where they had held their wedding reception and engagement photoshoot. “Windsor is a very special place for their royal highnesses and they are grateful that their official residence will be on the estate.”

Frogmore was perfect for Harry and Meghan, given its connection to Windsor — but it wasn’t next door to William and Kate and their children. That was enough to set off the narrative of “Duelling duchesses” that took flight two days later.

Refusing to address incorrect rumours only reinforced them. Traditionally, the palace has had no comment when it comes to rumours, but the Sussexes felt it wasn’t afraid to bend the rules if it was to correct a story about higher-ranking family members. (Case in point: a spokesman went on the record in July 2019 to deny claims by a cosmetic clinic that Kate had had “baby Botox”.) Harry and Meghan were frustrated by this approach.

Meghan would agree with the assessment that the duchesses were not the best of friends. Their relationship hadn’t progressed much since she was Harry’s girlfriend. Although Meghan might have understood Kate’s wariness to strike up a meaningful friendship, they were still no closer by the time she was a fellow senior working member of the royal family and the wife of William’s brother. Flowers for her birthday were nice, but Meghan would far rather have had Kate check in on her during the most difficult times with the press.

But they were not at war with each other either. There were awkward moments, such as the day the women happened to cross paths at Kensington Palace (in early 2017, when Harry and Meghan were still only dating), and although both were heading out to go shopping — in the same street — Kate went in her own Range Rover. The truth was that Meghan and Kate just didn’t know each other that well. Although some aides claimed at the time that they “talked and texted regularly”, by the time of Harry and Meghan’s wedding the sisters-in-law had spent only a handful of occasions together.

At the outset of her romance with Harry, Meghan had fully expected Kate to reach out and give her the lie of the land on everything an outsider to the Firm needed to know. But that was not how things turned out. Meghan was disappointed that she and Kate hadn’t bonded over the position they shared, but she wasn’t losing sleep over it. According to a source, Kate felt they didn’t have much in common “other than the fact that they lived at Kensington Palace”.

The press continued to save its harshest criticism for Meghan. One story had a “furious” Kate intervening after Meghan “bollocked” a member of her staff. The Kensington Palace staff member was rumoured to be the deputy communications secretary, Katrina McKeever, who had left the palace after five years to explore new opportunities. Even Kensington Palace didn’t understand the bizarre story. McKeever left on a good note with the Sussexes, who sent her a handwritten letter and huge floral arrangement when she left.

It was open season on Meghan, with many looking for anything and everything to criticise. “Duchess Different,” a close friend of Meghan’s said. “That’s what people have a problem with. She’s the easiest person in the world to work with. Certain people just don’t like the fact she stands out.”

“This is a script that wrote itself as soon as you knew that an American actress was coming into the royal family,” another aide added.

Meghan felt as though some of the commentary and tabloid stories were more than a culture clash; they were sexist and prejudiced. If a man got up before dawn to work, he was applauded for his work ethic. If a woman did it, she was deemed difficult or “a witch”. The double standard was exacerbated when it came to successful women of colour, often labelled demanding or aggressive.

Racism takes a different form in the UK from in America, but there is no mistaking its existence and how ingrained it is. A major theme of racism in the UK centres on the question of who is authentically “British”. It can come through in subtle acts of bias, micro-aggressions such as the palace staffer who told the biracial co-author of these words, “I never expected you to speak the way you do”, or the newspaper headline “Memo to Meghan: we Brits prefer true royalty to fashion royalty”. While the columnist was criticising Meghan for her Vogue editorials, there was another way to read it, which is that to be British meant to be born and bred in the UK — and be white.

There were reports that, before the wedding, Meghan had left Kate in tears following a bridesmaid fitting for Princess Charlotte. “Kate had only just given birth to Prince Louis and was feeling quite emotional,” a source said. There were reports that claimed Meghan’s “strict demands” caused Kate to cry.

A source, who was at the mid-May wedding fitting and has never discussed before what really happened, said stories about tears have been “puzzling” to those who were present. “Some of the children weren’t co-operating, and there was a lot going on. Everyone tried to help where they could, but it’s never easy with kids at fittings. There were no tears from anyone. And in the end, the fitting was fine. Kate and Meghan were both a little stressed but professionals in the room, and there were other people there.”

Those close to Meghan questioned whether someone from the palace or a former employee could have been behind the story, and wondered aloud why aides refused to set the record straight there and then. “There are people, whether they work with the family or are members of the family, that know that a lot of this stuff isn’t true, and aren’t allowed to say anything, like that ridiculous story about Meg and Catherine and the bridesmaids’ dresses,” a trusted confidant said. “That story was ridiculous and so false.”

At the time, though, a Kensington Palace aide said only that the women, who were both hurt by the accusations, were “very different people”.

Several aides across the royal households now confirm that there was no fitting that left the Duchess of Cambridge in tears.

The press continued to save its harshest criticism for Meghan. One story had her demanding spray-bottle air fresheners to spritz around “musty” St George’s Chapel (the Queen’s regular place of worship, which contains the Royal Vault) for her wedding day, horrifying Buckingham Palace officials. The truth was that the discreet Baies scented air diffusers for the chapel provided by Diptyque — much like the candles that Kate chose to scent Westminster Abbey for her 2011 nuptials — had been approved by all parties involved.
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1 Sentence stood out as having Meghan stamped all over it " Everything else was noise " She uses this same phrase in the video she did for the womens thingybob ,a phrase I've never heard before then
 
It has been said in various forums that some of the subjects read what we talk about and say about them so I hope maybe Harry and/or Meghan read here. I just say to both of them,stop being such stuck up selfish babies,you come across like 2 kids fighting over toys in the sandpit at the moment. Grow up and for heavens sake make peace with the family,especially with your grandparents Harry.They are 99 and 94 and havent much longer to go here...you will feel really really terrible about both of them when they die, remember how you still feel about your Mum after 20+ years...? Well this time round,with your grandparents it isnt the paparazzi that is to blame but your sweet self. Think on it.
 
Yorkiejules said:
Thankyou for a new Fred...I'm getting fed up now with h and m overload...it's getting ridiculous... everybody is writing a piggin book and we all know it's only for money..cashing in on the bank wagon of ex royalty...
Went for a test for Rona yesterday with hubs,he's negative ....and I'm
Inconclusive 🙈story of my life🤣🤣🤣
They can stick their test up their bottom cos I know they are as full of 💩as h and m.
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Well it’s far better to be inconclusive Yorkiejules ❤ than to be irrelevant like a certain couple who are going down the pan very quickly. :poop::poop:
 
Pippa M said:
It has been said in various forums that some of the subjects read what we talk about and say about them so I hope maybe Harry and/or Meghan read here. I just say to both of them,stop being such stuck up selfish babies,you come across like 2 kids fighting over toys in the sandpit at the moment. Grow up and for heavens sake make peace with the family,especially with your grandparents Harry.They are 99 and 94 and havent much longer to go here...you will feel really really terrible about both of them when they die, remember how you still feel about your Mum after 20+ years...? Well this time round,with your grandparents it isnt the paparazzi that is to blame but your sweet self. Think on it.
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This 👆👆 ....with 🔔🔔🔔🔔 on.
 
Article in Vanity Fair. I think they gave Meghan a cover pre- engagement. Judging from the photo they have picked to illustrate article they have rather gone off MM. Kate looks lovely. MM Far less so.

www.vanityfair.com

Kate Middleton Once Offered Meghan Markle Flowers to Try to Repair Their Relationship—But It Wasn’t Enough

A new excerpt from Finding Freedom reveals how the relationship between the two duchesses never flourished— even as tabloid rumors about their “feud” hurt them both.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com
 
antinoos said:
He looks like your Aunty Marge who never married, can change a clutch and breeds Pointers.
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PennyCrayon said:
Thank you for post in that Bluebells. Interesting.

But here’s an idea, just get of your arses and go see how he is. If that’s all to much for you, send him some protection wether he wanted it or not (let’s face it British protection officers are very discreet and would hardly have made it obvious they were there). Thomas was like a rabbit in the headlights and left to stumble through. Maybe he made mistakes but there is no excuse for Harry not to have met him, the fact that he didn’t speaks volumes. Were they expecting Thomas to turn up for the wedding not knowing the protocol involved? The correct suit to wear? What was required in his speech? So, for all his mistakes I still feel he was thrown to the wolves.
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It just doesn't ring true does it. To start with Thomas would have to have a suit tailored for him for the wedding, and Meghan being the sort of control freak that she obviously is, she would have wanted a say in how her dad was presented. After all she wouldn't want him turning up in something cheap or ill fitting he'd bought off the peg

So fitting for an approved suit of clothes for her dad should have taken place at least a month or two before the big day.

Then you have to consider rehearsals, protocols and making sure that he knew exactly what to do on the day. None of this story makes sense.

Personally I don't think that she ever wanted him to come and all of this was used to conspire against the possibility of it happening.
 
Lincoln34 said:
Article in Vanity Fair. I think they gave Meghan a cover pre- engagement. Judging from the photo they have picked to illustrate article they have rather gone off MM. Kate looks lovely. MM Far less so.

www.vanityfair.com

Kate Middleton Once Offered Meghan Markle Flowers to Try to Repair Their Relationship—But It Wasn’t Enough

A new excerpt from Finding Freedom reveals how the relationship between the two duchesses never flourished— even as tabloid rumors about their “feud” hurt them both.
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com
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You are not obliged to become best friends. If friendship develops then good, but if it does not you can hardly force it. When did Meghan take flowers to Kate?
 
Bluebells said:
Times Article - Book Extract about Thomas Markle

As Harry and Meghan were revelling in their engagement in November 2017, a newspaper published an article about her father, Thomas Markle, that it had been piecing together for months. The story showed pictures of his home atop a 120ft bluff in Rosarito Beach, a quiet Mexican resort town that overlooked the Pacific Ocean, and had details of his life, such as the red Ford Escape or silver Volvo he drove to his local Walmart to stock up on groceries or to the storage unit where he had bragged to the owner about his daughter who was on television. But there were no quotes, as any time a reporter approached him, he responded with the line prepared for him by palace officials: “I can’t speak out of respect for my family.”


Once the article came out with his home’s location, Thomas Markle had to deal with constant intrusions from reporters and photographers. Over the course of several phone calls, Harry and Meghan told him he should do his best to ignore all press. But, ultimately, he didn’t listen. With some encouragement from his other daughter, Samantha — Meghan’s half-sister, 17 years older than her, who managed to get a cut of the deal in the process — Thomas took up an idea from a photographer, Jeff Rayner. Rayner’s idea was for Thomas to pose for some pictures: reading a book about British history at a coffee shop, visiting an internet café to read the latest news stories about his daughter and future son-in-law and other setups.
The photos ran in outlets around the world but did little to help his public image. In fact, the person they seemed to help was Rayner, who banked at least $130,000 for his photo agency from their sales. Thomas took 30%.
It was photographer Jeff Rayner’s idea for Thomas to pose for some pictures

It was photographer Jeff Rayner’s idea for Thomas to pose for some pictures
JEFF RAYNER/COLEMAN-RAYNER
Just one week before Thomas was due to attend Harry and Meghan’s wedding at Windsor Castle in May 2018, the palace got word that a Sunday tabloid intended to run information that would expose the “candid” frames as fakes. At Harry’s instruction, the palace communications team, in consultation with the legal team, began working on a strategy to stop the publication of the embarrassing story.
First, though, Meghan needed to hear straight from her dad what had happened. According to a trusted confidant who was with Meghan as events unfolded, she told her father, “Dad, we need to know if this is true or not, because my team is going to try to stop this story running — if you are telling me it’s fake.

“If they do that, they’re going out of their way to protect you, Dad,” Meghan said over the phone. “You’re telling me you’re being victimised, right?”
He lied to Meghan. “Of course,” he promised, failing to admit he had participated in the staging of the photos.
“Every single time she was calling him, she was like, ‘Dad, I love you. I just want you to know I love you. Everything is fine. Just get here. We’ll have the wedding. We’ll celebrate. Don’t worry about any of this stuff. Let’s just put it behind us,’” the source said. “You want to believe the best, right?”
The source continued: “I’ve heard her say, ‘My dad never sought this out. I really believe that he’s the victim, and now I feel sad because I believe he’s been fully corrupted.’”
Before Meghan got off the phone to her father, she reminded him that a car would be arriving outside his door the next day to drive him to Los Angeles. From there, he was to make the transatlantic trip to London, where all the arrangements had been handled. He would be accompanied door to door, with chauffeured cars, personal security and a guide to answer any question. He wouldn’t have to worry about a thing.
Meanwhile, the communications staff at Kensington Palace did all they could to keep Thomas’s ill-conceived plan from exploding, collaborating with him to issue a report with the Independent Press Standards Organisation and a notice to UK newspaper editors about the situation. But to no avail: the morning after Meghan phoned her father, the headlines read: “Meghan’s dad staged photos with the paparazzi”. Screenshots from closed-circuit cameras made it clear he had staged each and every one.
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Harry and Meghan had told her father he should do his best to ignore all press
CHRIS JACKSON
Meghan was devastated by her father’s deception, but she was also concerned for his welfare. Thomas hadn’t demonstrated the best judgment, to be sure. But the wedding was only a week away. She was desperate to get him to London, where he would be protected from the press by palace escorts and protection officers.
She called her father right away, but he didn’t answer. She called again. And again, and again. She left some version of the same message each time: “Dad, I still love you. Nothing has changed. We’re going to get you safely to London. I’m sending a car to come and get you.”
Despite Meghan’s barrage of voicemails and texts, her father not only refused to get in the waiting car to the airport; he didn’t respond to a single message from his daughter.
“My God, my phone,” Meghan told a friend, explaining that she’d called her father at least 20 times.
“I’m assuming he’s getting my messages,” she added, worried.
Rather than knowing anything for certain, she and Harry were updated on her father’s plans (whether or not he was going to attend her wedding) through the tabloids and gossip websites. He contacted the American entertainment website TMZ to plead his case, explaining he was trying to “recast” his image after being “ambushed” by photographers. But to spare his daughter and the royal family any further embarrassment, he would no longer attend the wedding.
While in public the palace maintained a stoic silent facade, behind closed doors there were recriminations and anger. Having cut himself off from aides and his daughter, Thomas was feeding the press a seemingly never-ending stream of nonsensical statements. Palace courtiers were waiting minute by minute for the next bombshell to drop.

“It was very, very tough,” an aide said about the palace’s response to the Thomas Markle situation. “It’s very easy to blame the palace, but, my God, I’ve not seen any situation quite like it — where you’ve got a woman marrying a prince, and the father of the beautiful young woman is 5,000 miles away and just not playing ball, and not only not playing ball, but he’s up to silly games.”

Thomas claimed a furious Harry called him and hissed, “If you had listened to me, this would never have happened.” But no such conversation occurred. In another dramatic turn of events, just the day after saying he was not attending the wedding, Thomas told reporters that he couldn’t imagine missing such a historic event.

A wounded Meghan directed Kensington Palace officials to release a statement she wrote herself about the incident, calling it “a deeply personal matter” and requesting her privacy as they sorted it out. While she in no way wanted her family drama to play out so publicly, she felt forced to take some sort of action.

Thomas Markle’s absence meant that Prince Charles escorted Meghan down the aisle at her wedding
Thomas Markle’s absence meant that Prince Charles escorted Meghan down the aisle at her wedding
JONATHAN BRADY
Despite her father’s behaviour, she was nonetheless crushed by the thought of him not being there for the wedding. “As much as she was hurt and humiliated, she wanted him to be there and was willing to move on,” a close friend said. “Plus, she was worried about him: she honestly wasn’t sure if he was actually OK. His behaviour was bizarre.”

His bespoke suit and custom shoes were waiting at the Oliver Brown tailor in Chelsea, southwest London, and Harry had asked a military veteran to accompany Meghan’s father. “The treatment that Meghan’s mother, Doria, received when she arrived here is exactly what was planned for Thomas,” a senior aide added, noting that he would have been put up in a hotel and given a protection officer and assistant during his stay.

With only four days left before her wedding, though, Meghan received more devastating news from her father — again through a celebrity gossip website. Laying the blame firmly at the feet of the prying press, Thomas claimed the stress had caused him to have a heart attack. His doctors advised him that he needed surgery just two days before his daughter took her vows, to clear a blockage, repair damage and implant several stents. Short of some sort of miraculous recovery, he said, he would be in no shape to fly across the Atlantic and thus would not be attending the royal wedding.

Troubled, Meghan tried to text Thomas: “I’ve been reaching out to you all weekend but you’re not taking any of our calls or replying to any texts . . . Very concerned about your health and safety and have taken every measure to protect you but not sure what more we can do if you don’t respond . . . Do you need help? Can we send the security team down again? I’m very sorry to hear you’re in the hospital but need you to please get in touch . . . What hospital are you at?”

Ten minutes later she followed up with another. “Harry and I made a decision earlier today and are dispatching the same security guys you turned away this weekend to be a presence on the ground to make sure you’re safe . . . they will be there at your disposal as soon as you need them. Please call as soon as you can . . . all of this is incredibly concerning but your health is most important,” she wrote.

That evening Thomas sent a short response to say that he appreciated the offer of security but didn’t feel in any danger. Instead, he wrote, he would recover at a motel. Meghan asked for details but he didn’t reply.

Not a word about the subject had been spoken when Meghan brought Doria to meet the Queen and Prince Philip earlier in the day, but the situation still caused her to feel embarrassed about the public drama during their afternoon tea at Windsor Castle.


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Meghan placed some of the blame on herself. Having spent the past year and a half in the glaring spotlight, she understood what the pressure from the media was like. “He’s vulnerable,” she told a friend. “He’s been baited. A lot of the tabloid journalists have been coaxing him and paying him. I don’t know if he really even had a chance.”

Harry also blamed the media for the whole situation. “The pressure he was put under for six months before he finally cracked and started to participate,” a senior courtier said of Meghan’s father, “that’s what Harry’s angry about.”

One individual close to the couple summed it up this way: “There is a sort of aggressive intrusiveness and a reckless, irresponsible almost hostility to the media’s actions that’s deeply harmful. I don’t think the paparazzi are the same. I think that has changed. But the sort of ruthless malevolence of some sections of the media, and it is malevolent, is genuinely bad. What they’ve done to her father, drawn him out from his private life and forced him out into the open, and then waving cheques at him, it’s just absolutely terrible. He wanted to live privately. He would have continued to live privately. He would have been at the wedding if the media had left him alone as they were asked to. And there’s no public interest argument to excuse intruding into the private life of Thomas Markle.”


“If it wasn’t for Harry, Doria and her friends, Meghan herself says that she wouldn’t have mentally got through it,” a friend said. The night before the wedding, she sent her father one last text. He did not reply.

Sitting in a bath later that night, FaceTiming with a friend, the bride-to-be said she had left her dad a final message, adding: “I can’t sit up all night just pressing send.”
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Why was Thomas only starting his journey to the wedding a week before the event?
He had never met Harry, had no idea of protocol, no idea how his speech would go down, no fittings for his suit....and had already had health issues around his heart?
It would have taken almost 24 hours in transit............. from Mexico up to LA, then the LA to Heathrow flight of 12 hours...then time to get over the jetlag... for a sick elderly man! . this account is saying Thomas would have had about 4 days in London, before the wedding to get everything sorted..before the big day itself!!

I really think by the time he did the pap interview and photos, he had given up on actually attending the wedding! He should have been in London weeks before, if MeAgain had any intention of getting him ready to walk her down the aisle and give the traditional father of the bride speech! let alone be briefed on protocol, given proper suit fittings etc, let alone catch up with his daughter and meet his future son in law and inlaws!

Also...why were the set up photos of Thomas seen as so embarrassing? They were a bit ridiculous, it was obvious they were set up from the first instance...but they werent actually that bad....were they?
 
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A close friend of Meghan’s said. “That’s what people have a problem with. She’s the easiest person in the world to work with . Certain people just don’t like the fact she stands out.”
:p Perhaps ‘she‘ should be replaced with ‘I‘.
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Thats why she's had to draft her own Mother in as nanny to Archie as she can't keep the ones shes hired

Milliemoo99 said:
Why was Thomas only starting his journey to the wedding a week before the event?
He had never met Harry, had no idea of protocol, no idea how his speech would go down, no fittings for his suit....and had already had health issues around his heart?
It would have taken almost 24 hours in transit............. from Mexico up to LA, then the LA to Heathrow flight of 12 hours...then time to get over the jetlag... for a sick elderly man! . this account is saying Thomas would have had about 4 days in London, before the wedding to get everything sorted..before the big day itself!!

I really think by the time he did the pap interview and photos, he had given up on actually attending the wedding! He should have been in London weeks before, if MeAgain had any intention of getting him ready to walk her down the aisle and give the traditional father of the bride speech! let alone be briefed on protocol, given proper suit fittings etc, let alone catch up with his daughter and meet his future son in law and inlaws!
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I think he was told he wasn't welcome, her fake Mother could come alone as her sat alone in the big church would make her appear a sad,lonely lady, just as Megs lone walk up the aisle did ,but it never fooled me !

MoodyBlue said:
I do wonder if it was Prince Phillip that referred to Smeg as the ‘showgirl’.

it certainly sounds like something he would say 😂
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100% Philip !
 
Margo_Channing said:
Can the Royal family sue these petulant knobheads for deformation of character?!
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One of the petulant knobs is of their own making, he’s the bigger twit of the two because he could be doing so much with his privilege.

I’m not an upper crust sort , a courtier or a member of the establishment but I was I’d just want them to go away but I don’t see how that can happen, they are always going to be the millstone around the neck of the Monarchy.
 
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www.thesun.co.uk

Meghan and Harry's new book isn't a royal biography - it's a bloodbath

IT is easy to forget – and painful to remember – how united this country felt when Prince Harry married Meghan Markle in May, 2018. There were multiple reasons for our collective euphoria. Here was…
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The joke is ...as mentioned in this article...that it is a rehash of all the negative stories about Harry and Meghan.....that were written by the Daily Mail and the Sun......denied bitterly and forming part of the reason why Hasbeen and MeAgain are suing these particular papers for press intrusion!!

Either the whole book of ''Finding Freedom'' is grossly inaccurate and ALL of the sources quoted have got it wrong....or....all the negative stories in the Daily Mail and the Sun were correct?
Maybe there will be another court case on Monday, with H & M suing Scoobie and his co writer for inaccurate representation, and suing the Times newspaper group, for the way they have slanted the extracts.... They are going to have an awful lot of court cases to deal with......!!..

I suppose I should say.. if H & M could sail off into the sunset and live a completely private life...then I would wish them well.

The frustration comes from the arrogance of a pair who try to use the media and the legal system to benefit themselves....In the UK the palace and their PR systems obviously worked overtime to create the image of the beautiful and humanitarian biracial american actress that Harry was due to marry. They tried to shut down all the stories about her dad and the family schisms that existed.....

And none of this was good enough!!!
 
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