Harry and Meghan #32 Enough of your woke! By the end of the year you'll be broke!

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Blade Runner said:
Not backwards in coming forward are they? Lol
If they voiced those opinions over here, chances are they’d be accused of racism.
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I'm in the minority here.

This reporting is a crock of tit and no better than the tit markle spouts.

I do think sexism, racism and and ignorant prejudice because someone is different from you needs to be address and rejected by society.

I do agree that we should not celebrate slave owners and these statues need replacing. I do believe we need education regarding how we white people have treated people of colour and we need for socity to frown upon those who still treat a fellow human badly because their face doesn't fit. I agree it needs to be stopped once and for all.

While I don't agree with m&h jumping on the bandwagon because they clearly no valid reason otherwise to be in the press, and I can't see how we can correct and make good behaviour of previous generations, I can see the families of people who were hung, burned alive, murdered, raped, blamed for crimes they did not commit, beaten, refused housing and generally treated like tit do need some kind of deeply felt sincere apology.

And it needs to stop.
 
PennyCrayon said:
I’m sure though that she had to have fittings etc in order to get her grans dress altered. I would have loved to have seen her original dress. Needs must at the moment though.
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Oh without a doubt, but those fittings would be with a royal household staff member, who is within their bubble, not a shop who may not be open or can control the bubble as required.
 
poshspice88 said:
Hi, long time lurker here! Thank you for enlightening me over the past few months! As an American, I am embarrassed that Meghan Markle is from here. The moment I watched her performance during the engagement interview with Harry a few years ago my bs meter immediately went off. She’s what I call an eager beaver (mind you, not the kind of beaver you all referred to upthread, ha! But now that I think about it, that applies too!) Anyway, way too eager, way too talkative and interruptive. My reaction to it was, “slow your roll, girl!” She came off phony, it was uncomfortable to watch and I was suspicious of her. I actually never knew she was black until it was mentioned at the wedding. I assumed she was Hispanic, not that it matters, but everyone was making a big deal about her being African American and I was thinking, why?

To me, it was more jaw dropping that he was marrying an American, and I was not happy with his choice. I figured she was going to go in and try to single handedly attempt to modernize the monarchy with Oprah Winfrey chirping in her ear and that she would embarrass herself and finally slow down after a strong dose of reality. I never bought that she was a victim of racism.

I think most Americans are probably just beginning to see MM as problematic. Most don’t really know 25% of what is discussed on these threads. I’ve always had interest in the Royal Family and follow more closely than most. When we go through the grocery line and see headlines about MM and PH in magazines we assume most of it is false and breeze past it.

It wasn’t until they made the decision to leave the UK that I realized what a pair of entitled Douchebags they were. Eyes wide open now and I’m disappointed with Harry, Meghan not so much. They’re both trash.
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Welcome. I think you’re going to fit right in. It’s very interesting that you think that Americans are starting to see MM for what she is.
 
Ponponpon said:
Oh without a doubt, but those fittings would be with a royal household staff member, who is within their bubble, not a shop who may not be open or can control the bubble as required.
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True. I suppose it depends how far along her original dress was. Though I doubt it was a shop per se, it was probably a designers studio.

Norbs said:
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Welcome. I think you’re going to fit right in. It’s very interesting that you think that Americans are starting to see MM for what she is.
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I agree Norbs. The more the merrier.

Welcome @poshspice88, I look forward to your thoughts.
 
Ponponpon said:
May I believe, though lockdown would have prevented fittings etc so maybe that's why, if a change of dress occured, her gran's was altered.
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Reusing an old gown and in fact the whole Beatrice wedding has been an absolute masterclass from the Queen and the Royal Family.

Showing it can be arranged or at least finalised in just two weeks, and kept to a small scale, without pomp or ludicrous party venue afterwards - shows that even the RF can do things minimalist without spending bazillions of taxpayer cash, as well as giving hope to all the other people in the country whose weddings have been disrupted or cancelled by covid.

Reusing the gown - pleases traditionalists but also the environmentalists and campaigners against Fast Fashion.

Releasing just a few photos so we don't really know who exactly was there - great way to handle the Randy Andy problem. (yes I know he was there, but not releasing any photos with him on, neatly avoids most of the bad press he would have attracted at the moment). Also showed that whatever Airmiles has done, the Queen very much still cares about the grandchildren and although he might be persona non gratis now, Beatrice is still much loved and part of the family.

Not having Smeghanhead and Haznoballs there - good public re-confirmation that they are out of the firm and no longer desired or needed in it.

Best of all - lending Beatrice such a key tiara as the one that the Queen herself got married in - absolutely massive two fingers stuck up at Smeghan and Haznoballs. Very deftly done by Her Brendaness.
 
smellyfootballboots said:
I do think sexism, racism and and ignorant prejudice because someone is different from you needs to be address and rejected by society.
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I certainly agree with this sentiment. The problem is that the Harkles are part of the royal family and are supposed to keep quiet on political matters. The Queen has never been allowed to express an opinion as to whether she would prefer the Tories or the Labour party in power, they are supposed to stay neutral. Therein lies the problem because as soon as they become political they are not representing everyone.
 
smellyfootballboots said:
I'm in the minority here.

This reporting is a crock of tit and no better than the tit markle spouts.

I do think sexism, racism and and ignorant prejudice because someone is different from you needs to be address and rejected by society.

I do agree that we should not celebrate slave owners and these statues need replacing. I do believe we need education regarding how we white people have treated people of colour and we need for socity to frown upon those who still treat a fellow human badly because their face doesn't fit. I agree it needs to be stopped once and for all.

While I don't agree with m&h jumping on the bandwagon because they clearly no valid reason otherwise to be in the press, and I can't see how we can correct and make good behaviour of previous generations, I can see the families of people who were hung, burned alive, murdered, raped, blamed for crimes they did not commit, beaten, refused housing and generally treated like tit do need some kind of deeply felt sincere apology.

And it needs to stop.
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I don’t know why you think you’re in a minority here, not sure exactly what you’re suggesting. Anyway, I don’t want to derail this thread.
 
Blade Runner said:
Not backwards in coming forward are they? Lol
If they voiced those opinions over here, chances are they’d be accused of racism.
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Love it! Perhaps I should move to Australia so I can say what I think without some cock faced idiot saying I'm racist or whatever. As for Harry, best to remain silent and be thought an idiot than open one's royal trap and remove all doubt old chap!
 
Scotch Mist said:
I certainly agree with this sentiment. The problem is that the Harkles are part of the royal family and are supposed to keep quiet on political matters. The Queen has never been allowed to express an opinion as to whether she would prefer the Tories or the Labour party in power, they are supposed to stay neutral. Therein lies the problem because as soon as they become political they are not representing everyone.
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I don't agree when it comes to history. It is not a political matter but a societal one. If they Queen were to come out and apologise to her families former slaves then it would be a magnificent precedent for others to follow. It's not political but historical fact that needs rectifying.
 
smellyfootballboots said:
I'm in the minority here.

This reporting is a crock of tit and no better than the tit markle spouts.

I do think sexism, racism and and ignorant prejudice because someone is different from you needs to be address and rejected by society.

I do agree that we should not celebrate slave owners and these statues need replacing. I do believe we need education regarding how we white people have treated people of colour and we need for socity to frown upon those who still treat a fellow human badly because their face doesn't fit. I agree it needs to be stopped once and for all.

While I don't agree with m&h jumping on the bandwagon because they clearly no valid reason otherwise to be in the press, and I can't see how we can correct and make good behaviour of previous generations, I can see the families of people who were hung, burned alive, murdered, raped, blamed for crimes they did not commit, beaten, refused housing and generally treated like tit do need some kind of deeply felt sincere apology.

And it needs to stop.
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I think the vid was spot on. Most of this woke stuff is a crock of tit. The world knows things are fucked up in some places and we don't need a load of arsey bolshy wokists stirring up tit while sensible people are trying to change things from within without the need for fucked up rioting. He was right re her Immaculate Heart vid too. It never addressed education but was a rallying cry stirring an already bubbling over pot of tit urging young kids to basically rebel. She's sat in that mansion, and corona or not if those same kids they're rousing up came a-kicking their gates down demanding their share of the mansion and wealth gangan would have the SAS in there getting snarkles to safety.The snarkles can preach from their safe lofty perch above the chaos they're promoting because they know that they have a huge safety net of protection.
They are a pair of dangerous treacherous cunts and rather than the FBI investigating murky meg(as suggested by the sugar nuts) they should be investigating these two tit stirring plastic anarchists and metaphorically booting them up their lazy arses.
 
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smellyfootballboots said:
I don't agree when it comes to history. It is not a political matter but a societal one. If they Queen were to come out and apologise to her families former slaves then it would be a magnificent precedent for others to follow. It's not political but historical fact that needs rectifying.
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Unless she's kept slaves herself then I'm not sure that I agree. She's not more responsibie for her ancestors than anyone else is. She did set up the Commonwealth to build bridges for the crimes of the empire and Harry not seemingly being aware of that has undermined her attempts to do something positive hence the criticism he attracted for that video call.

We can all sit around and moan that the world is not an equitable place but life wasn't fair when I was a kid or when my grandparents were kids. In fact the world has always been a crappy place with people fighting, invading other countries and taking slaves (which has happened alot throughout history). The British were slaves to the Roman empire. Apologies are pretty meaningless when issued on behalf of someone else in my view. People should only apologise for their own misdemeanors.
 
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Scotch Mist said:
Unless she's kept slaves herself then I'm not sure that I agree. She's not more responsibie for her ancestors than anyone else is. She did set up the Commonwealth to build bridges for the crimes of the empire and Harry not seemingly being aware of that has undermined her attempts to do something positive hence the criticism he attracted for that video call.
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I agree with you Scotch Mist. The descendants of slave owners are not responsible for their forebears' actions, none of us are. If we were to expect the Queen to apologise for her forebears' actions then every German person, regardless of age or political persuasion, should apologise for the Nazis, every Japanese person should apologise for the Burma railway, every Scandinavian should apologise for the Vikings and their invasions, etc etc. The best anyone can do is learn from history and make sure wrongs aren't repeated. Meghan Markle needs to shut her cakehole and stop stirring up trouble.
 
Scotch Mist said:
I certainly agree with this sentiment. The problem is that the Harkles are part of the royal family and are supposed to keep quiet on political matters. The Queen has never been allowed to express an opinion as to whether she would prefer the Tories or the Labour party in power, they are supposed to stay neutral. Therein lies the problem because as soon as they become political they are not representing everyone.
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The thing is, the Queen herself has taken a stance in those matters (especially in her actions in younger years), as have Charles and I think Wiliam. Being anti-sexist (even though they certainly haven’t touched topic very well) and anti-racist has nothing to do with politics. Neither Tory, Labour or LibDem have a problem with that. Otherwise the BRF couldn’t support initiatives against climate change, wildlife protection or many other topics. The problem is HOW you go on about it. The Queen acted and while criticised had the power of the crown and showed herself as modern and open. Charles especially and Wiliam try to shine through action and by supporting positive change. It is very seldom they speak against something instead of highlighting how to do it better. All of them have supported anti-racist behaviour or flat out condemned racism. Harry and Meghan just use the racist card as a defence (instead of dealing with the actual racism Meghan encountered) and are now shaming the BRF and the UK. That burns bridges fast. They could have done a lot to shine a light on (institutional) racism and supported tons of great initiatives in the UK. But they were not really interested in doing the hard work. That’s for others.
 
smellyfootballboots said:
I don't agree when it comes to history. It is not a political matter but a societal one. If they Queen were to come out and apologise to her families former slaves then it would be a magnificent precedent for others to follow. It's not political but historical fact that needs rectifying.
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Why should the Queen do so? She's no more responsible for it than you and I. Past needs to be left just there - in the past, and learned from. I used to live in a regime that wiped things out from history books and allowed only the 'right' sort of agenda, censored everything. Believe me, you don't want that.
 
Margot1977 said:
Why should the Queen do so? She's no more responsible for it than you and I. Past needs to be left just there - in the past, and learned from. I used to live in a regime that wiped things out from history books and allowed only the 'right' sort of agenda, censored everything. Believe me, you don't want that.
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It's like fucken ould Pol Pot ... back to year zero and re educating us all by knocking the shite out of us.:m
 
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