Eurovision Song Contest 2024 #4

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monza said:
Don't know about your algorithms but based on my tiktok and songs trending there, France won 😂
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I'm glad France is getting some love. I thought the part where he stood back from the mic and just sang on his own was absolutely stunning.

Sometimes the simple stuff (much like when Duncan Lawrence won) really stands out and is very impactful.

Normally I don't tend to enjoy the standard French ballad that they like to send but they knocked it out of the park this time.
 
DanDanTheIceCreamMan said:
I'm glad France is getting some love. I thought the part where he stood back from the mic and just sang on his own was absolutely stunning.

Sometimes the simple stuff (much like when Duncan Lawrence won) really stands out and is very impactful.

Normally I don't tend to enjoy the standard French ballad that they like to send but they knocked it out of the park this time.
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France was the one song that I think was genuinely a good song not just a good Eurovision song. The same way I felt about Sam Ryder and Spaceman.

Don’t get me wrong, I love a good Eurovision song personally but I don’t think they have the same broad appeal as stuff like this year’s French entry hence the reflection in what trends on TikTok etc.
 
Tabitha D said:
TBH I do think Olly was always a bit “Emperor’s new clothes”. I never liked the way the founding members / songwriters of Years and Years were ditched so he could launch it as a solo project. It left a really bad taste for me, because those guys really were talented. I suppose it was the record company that pushed it, I guess those lads didn’t fit the “image”, being a bit geeky and all, but when they ditched them, the song quality dropped off a cliff.
And then when Olly rushed to the papers immediately after Sam Ryder very nearly won, to complain about how he (Olly) hadn’t been in the running for Eurovision. As if he would have won it, unlike sad failure Sam, or something. I thought at the time, really? - you’re choosing to do this now, like a spoilt brat at a party when another kid is getting more attention?
Then all the crowing about how he’d do the “gayest ever” Eurovision, as if this would mean he’d romp home with the trophy. He really did have high expectations of how he would do in the competition. Only to stage some grotty outdated cottaging scenario, with a feeble song, sung badly, and with staging that just didn’t have impact.
I’ve watched it back a few times, and it really was terrible. Borderline unwatchable. I know people who like him will say he didn’t deserve the nil public vote, but honestly, having watched all the acts, he was not better than anyone else.
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I agree, same with his acting. He basically played himself in It's A Sin, and pretty much everyone else outdid him. I think he is mostly hype and PR with very little substance
 
I think if he'd have competed before Sam Ryder (The Human Labrador Puppy) the UK public would've been delighted with his 49 points (even if it was zero public ones) - it would've just been the same old "nobody likes us, we'll never win blah blah blah".

Unfortunately for Olly, Sam proved that we absolutely could win (even though he didn't) if we send the right person with the right backing and the right staging.
 
DanDanTheIceCreamMan said:
I think if he'd have competed before Sam Ryder (The Human Labrador Puppy) the UK public would've been delighted with his 49 points (even if it was zero public ones) - it would've just been the same old "nobody likes us, we'll never win blah blah blah".

Unfortunately for Olly, Sam proved that we absolutely could win (even though he didn't) if we send the right person with the right backing and the right staging.
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I class Sam as having won to be fair. Nobody could win against Ukraine and their vote wasn’t about the music, Ukraine got the support to me and Sam won the contest hence us hosting it. (Though we have a history of stepping in to host so I don’t agree with those who say it was a fix to make sure we came second to host - I think even if we’d been last there was a good chance the contest would have been in the UK not Ukraine unless the second place was another of the big 5).

We can definitely win, just need to get someone decent again with good staging. Less Olly Alexander and more universal appeal - or just send Sam again for his chance to shine properly!
 
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I have Children Of The Universe by Molly Smitten-Downes in my head for days now. It was a great song, sad it didn’t perform better. And I was shocked to find out that it’s already been ten years.
 
Sam‘s song was ok imho; he has a great voice but that song was a typical jury fave. He placed only fifth with the audiences. He could have won over Ukraine if he had come at least second. I know that Ukraine got even more votes than usual because of the war, but the claim that Sam would have won if it hadn’t been for Ukraine, is a bit unfair. Moldova, Serbia and Spain all had more public points than him and thanks to the jury votes he managed to get second place over Spain by a mere seven points.
I‘m sorry, I just don’t like people dismissing a very successful Eurovision country like Ukraine, just because UK for once sent a song that juries found radio-friendly enough to vote for 😁
 
londongirl2001 said:
Sam‘s song was ok imho; he has a great voice but that song was a typical jury fave. He placed only fifth with the audiences. He could have won over Ukraine if he had come at least second. I know that Ukraine got even more votes than usual because of the war, but the claim that Sam would have won if it hadn’t been for Ukraine, is a bit unfair. Moldova, Serbia and Spain all had more public points than him and thanks to the jury votes he managed to get second place over Spain by a mere seven points.
I‘m sorry, I just don’t like people dismissing a very successful Eurovision country like Ukraine, just because UK for once sent a song that juries found radio-friendly enough to vote for 😁
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They are a very successful Eurovision country but I really don’t think they’d have won that year if it wasn’t for the war - whether it was Sam who won instead or someone else. The same for their elevated public vote again last year and this year, I doubt they’d have placed as well as they did either year without it.

The same way the UK are a very successful Eurovision country overall but there was no way in hell we were going to place well this year 😂. Saying one entry wouldn’t have done as well as it did isn’t dismissing Ukraine.
 
I mean, yes, 5 victories in 66 years is very successful (Germany for instance has won only twice), but UK‘s last win was in 1997 (!!) when much less countries took part.
Ukraine was already getting very good results - including wins- before 2022, within a relatively short time of participation, that’s all I’m saying 😁
 
londongirl2001 said:
I mean, yes, 5 victories in 66 years is very successful (Germany for instance has won only twice), but UK‘s last win was in 1997 (!!) when much less countries took part.
Ukraine was already getting very good results - including wins- before 2022, within a relatively short time of participation, that’s all I’m saying 😁
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I don’t think anyone was saying they weren’t tbf, just that they probably wouldn’t have won that year without the sympathy/political vote 😂
 
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