Elle Florence #14 From Brunette to Blonde to Reel a Big Fish, Marrying the Fisherman is Her One Big Wish

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Disclaimer: I’m fully vaccinated and I’m not an antivaxxer. I encourage everyone to take it if you’re generally healthy and has no family history of hereditary diseases or problematic genes.

I hate to be the devil’a advocate here, but I have to agree the raw data must be released to public.

I’m a HPV vaccine victim. It triggered an immune system disorder 8 years ago and I’m still taking meds every day to control the symptoms. I was told by my specialist that I have a gene that makes my 100x likely to have an bad reaction to vaccines.

There’s no gene test before they give you vaccines. There’s no data of people with hereditary diseases. Vaccine could trigger things you never know.
I took a higher risk of taking the Covid vaccines with no data on people like me. The government and these companies will not spend the resources evaluating individuals with different genes. They should release the raw data and let researchers dig in further.

I can never publicly say this because I don’t want to say I have a condition, and people will assume I’m an anti Vaxxer and I would be cancelled too lol.

She’s definitely wrong to compare her self with Nazi victims. If she’s just defending her “freedom” without any medical concerns, she’s a dumb ass.
 
shadespeare said:
As per the CDC, you can travel even if not fully vaccinated (source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-during-covid19.html).

I just want to be serious for a moment here. I am truly and utterly disgusted at this. Like thecatlass said above, that Elle has all but ignored every single other political event of the past few years but chooses this hill to die on is so, so, so horrifying. She wouldn't speak out against racism, but she sure as hell will speak out about vaccines?!

I am half Jewish. My mom was born in Argentina to Holocaust survivors. I truly mean this when I say I am deeply disturbed when anyone makes reference to the Holocaust to protest against vaccines. Don't use our bleeping genocide for your political talking points, Elle. There is so much generational trauma that affects us. To make even the faintest of parallels between the two is beyond the pale.

On a lighter note--if there can be a lighter note in all this--I hope she becomes more outspoken about being an anti-vaxxer. Then maybe people will start to see what we've seen all along: that she's a vapid, stupid, oxygen-wasting amoeba. I love that she's being so open about it now.

Her response here is disgusting. "Our ancestors [...] would want us to be united and free to ask questions openly." No. My ancestors would have simply wanted to live.
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My husband’s grandmother was born after the Holocaust to a Jewish mother whose husband and NINE children were murdered in Auschwitz.
My husband and I were just talking about it today — that his great-grandmother could endure being put in a concentration camp, then seeing all NINE of her children get shuffled away to gas chambers or beheaded right in front of her… and then afterward, to choose life and to choose building a second Jewish family and to raise them to build their own families. She chose LIFE, even after what she had been through.

Thanks, Elle, for being the voice of my great-grandmother in law who actually survived Auschwitz but lost her husband and nine children there. You speak for our murdered ancestors, huh? 😡
 
I’m triple vaxxed and NOT a scientist, researcher or #girlboss lawyer, but…

The screenshot Mama G posted is of someone’s comment on the article. The article itself is basically saying what @Nancyinthehouse is saying - raw, anonymized data should be released now rather than when the studies have concluded so stakeholders can use it for their own research and policy needs (like researching effects on specific populations) and, I’d assume, to dampen any potential public outcry over anecdotal evidence that might create vaccine hesitancy (i.e., the blood clot issue). The article is calling for greater transparency within an industry that has historically been rife with controversy. But Mama G and Elle are both peddling misinformation and a misreading of the original article with that screenshot.

Woof. And then to compare data on individuals who have VOLUNTARILY participated in vaccine trials and data gathered as a result of adverse side effects for example to WW2 Nazi experiments on innocent people?! HOLY tit NOT THE SAME. RFK Jr. is the most conspiracy theorist-y of all conspiracy theorists. He’s a wacko.
 
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thecatlass said:
I'd also like to add that Smelle must have some strong antivaxx feelings because this is probably the first time she spoke up about anything that's not directly related to her self-obsessed life and pearl scams. She conveniently ignored BLM and #metoo movements, she has no thoughts on Justin Trudeau's politics, only on his facial hair, she never addresses the homelessness crisis, the situation in Afghanistan etc. A lot has happened in the world since her channel gained some sort of traction but she always kept her mouth shut.
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PREACH.

I’ve lurked on here for a while and I shake my head at some previous posts made here who keep giving her the benefit of the doubt. That she’s harmless, it’s not a big deal she said she was a local business in Seattle, she shouldn’t have to talk about anything political/speak about social issues when that’s not the main focus of her channel, etc…

Ladies, if you still insist on giving Elle the benefit of the doubt after what she’s posted today, you’re just as bad as her bootlicker subscribers who buy her tit jewelry and feed into her delusions of beauty and grandeur. It is obvious she doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t directly affect or benefit her, whether it is monetarily or romantically.

I definitely believe that her current love interest has influenced her in some way to be anti-vaxx. Otherwise, I don’t think she or Ginette would give a rat’s ass about vaccines. Still not good, but definitely not anti. This is all speculation on my part but from what I’ve seen on his social media, I’m inclined to believe that he and his family lean right wing.

I also highly doubt Elle is immunocompromised or even cares about people who may be adversely affected by vaccines. That Instastory was just tone deaf and idiotic. She’s proven herself to be selfish throughout the years we’ve watched her and I doubt that’s changed since becoming “anti-vaxx” 😂.
 
Nancyinthehouse said:
Disclaimer: I’m fully vaccinated and I’m not an antivaxxer. I encourage everyone to take it if you’re generally healthy and has no family history of hereditary diseases or problematic genes.

I hate to be the devil’a advocate here, but I have to agree the raw data must be released to public.

I’m a HPV vaccine victim. It triggered an immune system disorder 8 years ago and I’m still taking meds every day to control the symptoms. I was told by my specialist that I have a gene that makes my 100x likely to have an bad reaction to vaccines.

There’s no gene test before they give you vaccines. There’s no data of people with hereditary diseases. Vaccine could trigger things you never know.
I took a higher risk of taking the Covid vaccines with no data on people like me. The government and these companies will not spend the resources evaluating individuals with different genes. They should release the raw data and let researchers dig in further.

I can never publicly say this because I don’t want to say I have a condition, and people will assume I’m an anti Vaxxer and I would be cancelled too lol.

She’s definitely wrong to compare her self with Nazi victims. If she’s just defending her “freedom” without any medical concerns, she’s a dumb ass.
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I have an autoimmune disease and had a huge flare up at my first dose. Nevertheless, it's better than dying of Covid.

I hear and totally see what you are saying. It's one thing to say "we would love to see the raw data" and another to invoke the Nuremberg Code as a dog whistle to compare vaccine mandates to Nazi experimentation which is beyond the pale. Nothing you have said is wrong, so don't worry.

As an aside, here is a huge treasure trove of data regarding adverse reactions to vaccines (Covid-19 vaccines included): https://vaers.hhs.gov
Here is another excellent source of Covid-19 data including deaths, cases, tests, hospitalizations, mortality risk, etc.: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-source-data
 
MissDeverauxDarling said:
LOL, the delusion from this fan and Elle is nauseating. There's nothing brave about her ignorant mother, nor is Elle compassionate or intellectual. Also don't understand the reference to those who came before us in the medical field... is Elle now a #girlboss scientist?
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Brave Spermbrows speaking up against Big Pharma 🙄 🤮

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who inspired Smelle to be antivaxx, Fisherman or no Fisherman. The fact is that despite high quality education, white collar job, middle class environment, she's still stupid enough to peddle the story about covid vaccine being a medical experiment.
 
I had to make an account because of this. I swore I would never comment here but I am coming out of lurking because this is just awful.

Elle's entire internet persona that she has created for herself is based upon "fashion," pearl scams, what she eats in a day, etc. She's been very careful over the years not to mention anything political. The fact that she posted this means she probably has some pretty strong anti-vaccine feelings. Yuck.

It's one thing to say we need the raw data. It's another to make a thinly veiled comparison to Nazi Germany...
 
Nancyinthehouse said:
Disclaimer: I’m fully vaccinated and I’m not an antivaxxer. I encourage everyone to take it if you’re generally healthy and has no family history of hereditary diseases or problematic genes.

I hate to be the devil’a advocate here, but I have to agree the raw data must be released to public.

I’m a HPV vaccine victim. It triggered an immune system disorder 8 years ago and I’m still taking meds every day to control the symptoms. I was told by my specialist that I have a gene that makes my 100x likely to have an bad reaction to vaccines.

There’s no gene test before they give you vaccines. There’s no data of people with hereditary diseases. Vaccine could trigger things you never know.
I took a higher risk of taking the Covid vaccines with no data on people like me. The government and these companies will not spend the resources evaluating individuals with different genes. They should release the raw data and let researchers dig in further.

I can never publicly say this because I don’t want to say I have a condition, and people will assume I’m an anti Vaxxer and I would be cancelled too lol.

She’s definitely wrong to compare her self with Nazi victims. If she’s just defending her “freedom” without any medical concerns, she’s a dumb ass.
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The original BMJ opinion is quite reasonable that the "raw data" redacted to honor privacy should be released. The response to that, which mum and Elle posted is a sneaky stretch claiming that without such data, the safety profile is unknown.

No, we do know the vaccines are generally safe!

Rare or idiosyncratic reactions, such not be known until either time or enough people get the vaccine. For example, the original Pfizer trial had about 44,000 participants and in terms of adverse effects:
" Four related serious adverse events were reported among BNT162b2 recipients (shoulder injury related to vaccine administration, right axillary lymphadenopathy, paroxysmal ventricular arrhythmia, and right leg paresthesia). Two BNT162b2 recipients died (one from arteriosclerosis, one from cardiac arrest), as did four placebo recipients (two from unknown causes, one from hemorrhagic stroke, and one from myocardial infarction). "

Or even the signal for myocarditis higher wasn't even seen in the original Moderna 30,000 people trial. There, 13 in each group of 15,000 (each for vaccine and placebo) had any kind of "cardiac reaction." Monitoring for reactions is really important and this is why a system of post approval surveillance exists.

It's impossible to expect a trial of 44,000 to pick up every 1 in a million possible rare reaction.

I think some people who lean on arguments of "safety" are really misleading because they don't consider the above that waiting to pickup every 1 in a million reaction is an impossible standard and those reactions 1 in a million will be magnified when 100 million people, some of whom with genetic predispositions which may or may not cause events, get the vaccine. Releasing the raw data is important but it will not have the relevant genetic testing that you're interested in because in the original trials, it looks like essentially no one had your type of reaction so there would have been no point in sequencing everyone's DNA...that sequencing would be a bigger ethical issue. Can you imagine if we had participant level data that male #1230 has a the gene for Huntington's, risk for autism, BCR, BRCA, etc and that was released to the whole world?

Those leaning on safety arguments also seemingly forget that there are risks in life with literally everything and people have a terrible risk perception especially with fear rampant during the pandemic. Odds of dying from covid massively outweigh dying from the vaccine for most people especially with earlier strains. I'd easily wager that odds of dying in a car accident or plane crash, such as from Seattle to Hawaii, outweigh serious vaccine adverse effects.
 
Love all these new posters. It shows that Elle really dropped a bombsh'Elle this time. I still think it's related to her attempts to lock down a man because it is so out of left field.

I think this is yet another freak out reaction to the fact she's aging, unwed, and childless. She has to know she's sabotaging her online following by making these posts. She spent years building that following and has a business built around exploiting it. It should shock us that she would damage that so much in order to snag a guy, but then you remember that she once walked away from her entire life to marry some thirsty guy who slid into her dm's after she posted a couple sideboob pics.

Elle, if you read here this may be one of those 'eve before Rick' moments. Life comes down to a few moments, this could be one of them. I bet if you could have turned back time and listened to people here instead of the ass kissers in your youtube comments on that night before leaving Vancouver to move to Florida, you would have done so. This could be another one of those 'last chance' before ruining your life again moments. If some of us are correct, and you are doing all this to impress Fisherman, you need to stop right now. You've already destroyed so much to try and get one of these men to stay with you. You've given them your cushy job, your Yaletown life, your Nordy trips . . . so many things that made you happy. Is this guy really going to make up for everything you've lost and may yet lose?
 
boredstrom said:
Love all these new posters. It shows that Elle really dropped a bombsh'Elle this time. I still think it's related to her attempts to lock down a man because it is so out of left field.

I think this is yet another freak out reaction to the fact she's aging, unwed, and childless. She has to know she's sabotaging her online following by making these posts. She spent years building that following and has a business built around exploiting it. It should shock us that she would damage that so much in order to snag a guy, but then you remember that she once walked away from her entire life to marry some thirsty guy who slid into her dm's after she posted a couple sideboob pics.

Elle, if you read here this may be one of those 'eve before Rick' moments. Life comes down to a few moments, this could be one of them. I bet if you could have turned back time and listened to people here instead of the ass kissers in your youtube comments on that night before leaving Vancouver to move to Florida, you would have done so. This could be another one of those 'last chance' before ruining your life again moments. If some of us are correct, and you are doing all this to impress Fisherman, you need to stop right now. You've already destroyed so much to try and get one of these men to stay with you. You've given them your cushy job, your Yaletown life, your Nordy trips . . . so many things that made you happy. Is this guy really going to make up for everything you've lost and may yet lose?
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Noooooo! She needs to see this through. We’ve all been through such a crappy winter. Let us have #WEDDINGMAS on a fishing dock. Don’t take this away from me!

Go, Elle, speed off in his fishing boat with the Love of Your Life du Jour, and don’t look back! Just make sure you vlog it for us!
 
LetThemEatLipstick said:
Noooooo! She needs to see this through. We’ve all been through such a crappy winter. Let us have #WEDDINGMAS on a fishing dock. Don’t take this away from me!

Go, Elle, speed off in his fishing boat with the Love of Your Life du Jour, and don’t look back! Just make sure you vlog it for us!
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Yeah, I admit sometimes I feel waaaaay too altruistic when I first wake up in the morning. I promise that by lunch I'll be back to cheering on Elle as she continues to produce the greatest show on youtube!
 
LetThemEatLipstick said:
Noooooo! She needs to see this through. We’ve all been through such a crappy winter. Let us have #WEDDINGMAS on a fishing dock. Don’t take this away from me!

Go, Elle, speed off in his fishing boat with the Love of Your Life du Jour, and don’t look back! Just make sure you vlog it for us!
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Yes, give us that fil'Elle-o-fish wedding with a Viking cosplay procession, no masks, and a proof of un-vaccination.
 
What an absolute crackpot! What context does Elle have to Nazi Germany to invoke "our ancestors" comment? Has she been never been inoculated in her life? The reason she is protesting is becuase she is not allowed into restaurants.

I am sure she is refusing the vaccine because she thinks it will affect her fertility and she wants her wedding and postcard family. Both the dingbat and her mom have zero medical or scientific background to be speaking on these issues. They don't want to take the vaccine, sure go ahead don't take it. Don't turn it into some kind of revolution.
 
notsoposh said:
What an absolute crackpot! What context does Elle have to Nazi Germany to invoke "our ancestors" comment? Has she been never been inoculated in her life? The reason she is protesting is becuase she is not allowed into restaurants.

I am sure she is refusing the vaccine because she thinks it will affect her fertility and she wants her wedding and postcard family. Both the dingbat and her mom have zero medical or scientific background to be speaking on these issues. They don't want to take the vaccine, sure go ahead don't take it. Don't turn it into some kind of revolution.
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Haha, I also thought Smelle probably believes in the vaccine-caused infertility claims. But why would Spermbrows subscribe to that too? Maybe she doesn't want to vaccinate herself in solidarity with Smelle, since they're conjoined twins born 30 years apart? In fact, Spermbrows should definitely get vaccinated as she's over 60, slightly overweight, and not particularly physically active.
 
thecatlass said:
Haha, I also thought Smelle probably believes in the vaccine-caused infertility claims. But why would Spermbrows subscribe to that too? Maybe she doesn't want to vaccinate herself in solidarity with Smelle, since they're conjoined twins born 30 years apart? In fact, Spermbrows should definitely get vaccinated as she's over 60, slightly overweight, and not particularly physically active.
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I still think they're both fully vaccinated but are posting this stuff in some hair-brained wine aunt effort to get Elle engaged, which would be the most Florence thing ever.

How funny would it be if after all this, Fishrman still decides not to marry her and then she meets some rich trustafarian hippie dude who is really into her sudden Phish-loving, patchouli-wearing ways until he sees her vaccine stuff . . . .
 
Bc I know Elle reads here. Here is some info about fertility and covid vaccines, by a real scientist (she's an epidemiologist). Covid vaccines do not affect fertility. BUT covid infection does have an impact on sperm count for time after infection.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/the-covid19-vaccine-does-not-impact?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozMDQyMjM1NCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDc0OTExMDQsIl8iOiJzQ2Y1aCIsImlhdCI6MTY0MzAzODA2NCwiZXhwIjoxNjQzMDQxNjY0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjgxMjE5Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.QVerJxWDXcyfLSA_WgGIUnwchaWRSI3U-CgD2mGZIc8


Also I'm sure she's kicking up a fuss bc she won't be allowed back into HI after she leaves now, they are requiring people to be vax and boosted soon to even come in. So her and mama G once they leave the state won't be allowed back in.

Public health is more important than you and your desires Elle! If you don't want to get vaccinated you will have to deal with the consequences. Can't go out to eat in a restaurant and can't get back into HI. Tough cookies! Most of us would like ourselves and our family/friends/neighbors with other conditions and disabilities to be able to keep living. She's such a selfish brat and clearly she gets it from Mama G.
 
Drasticactions said:
Also I'm sure she's kicking up a fuss bc she won't be allowed back into HI after she leaves now, they are requiring people to be vax and boosted soon to even come in. So her and mama G once they leave the state won't be allowed back in.
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Oh. Wow. I had no idea about this. You're probably right.

I still want to believe my wine aunt theory, but what you posted makes a LOT of sense as to why two purse hangers who really only post about their consumption on social media would suddenly care about something else. I mean deep down its still about an obstacle in their ability to lay on beaches and shop luxury promenades in two states, but if Elle manages to get a ring and Mama G can't be let back into Hawaii after attending the wedding, that would be a pretty big problem for them.

I'm not sure what they think their posts are going to do though. Is it just venting? They're not going to get any laws changed and it's gotta be hurting Elle's business.
 
boredstrom said:
I still think they're both fully vaccinated but are posting this stuff in some hair-brained wine aunt effort to get Elle engaged, which would be the most Florence thing ever.
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As much as I’d like to believe this, I have my doubts she is truly vaxxed. As someone has posted extensively before Elle and Ginette came out as anti-vaccines, Elle has not been seen eating in restaurants for a long time. While she has posted a lot less these days, she never fails to brag about her whereabouts, stuffing her face being one of them.

I know Elle is capable of doing insidious tit to get her naive fan base to buy her garbage, but I don’t think she’s at the level of, say, Ted Cruz or the anchors of Fox News who hide their vaccination statuses to their followers. 😂
 
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