Dangerous Dog Breeds #3

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JuneJuneHannah said:
Their inquiries so far indicated the attack was "out-of-character" and that the girl and dog had "a close, loving relationship".

Any of these dogs can turn at any point.
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Not really.
Dogs don't just "turn". There's always a reason. It could be pain, confusion, territoriality or getting a fright. And when dogs do attack - it is exceptionally rare that they attack their owners or immediate family. Prior to the scourge of XL Bully fatal attacks, the vast majority of fatalities were to people who were outside the family, or visitors to the home. There were always exceptions - most dogs are VERY uncomfortable around toddlers and small children and a lot of owners haven't got the first clue how to read their own dogs body language and signals that they are uncomfortable.

But statistically it is looking like XLs are attacking their owners in far greater numbers. The very people that are nurturing them, feeding them etc. I touched on this in a previous post but I do think a lot of these dogs are in pain, be that from the huge bulk they're carrying or from genetically inherited conditions such as hip dysplasia (very common in a lot of mastiffs which were initially used as crosses). Epilepsy is also common, and any dog that has a fit, no matter how small or insignificant is highly confused in the immediate aftermath and can lash out. In fact a small seizure that might even go unnoticed is probably worse, as the owner doesn't know that they are in a postictal (post seizure) state and that is extremely dangerous. A smaller dog attacking in this instance doesn't have catastrophic fatal consequences but it does when it's a dog as large and as strong as an XL. They have been "bred" without a care in the world for health issues, the absolute scum that breed them, do it purely for aesthetic purposes, the bigger the bulk, the better and to hell with the health of the parents.

In this case, this dog seems to be new to the family, some of the quotes were that the child had said "we got a new pet" and yet it was described as "huge" by eyewitnesses so this family took on a fully grown XL from persons unknown and kept it in a caravan? What the actual f*ck were they thinking?
 
Former_Antelopee said:
I don't really see why anyone needs a dog over 30kg but let's say 40kg. But maybe that's because I'm a fan of small dogs
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A lot of golden retrievers weigh in over 40kg, and are touted as the ideal family pet! I honestly couldn't cope with the amount of hair they shed though, they're double coated and have a lot of hair.

A lot of people will get a small dog because they think they're not as hard work as a bigger dog or as I hear a lot "because I have a small garden". (small dogs need walks too!) A lot of small dogs were originally working dogs and can be very, very high energy. Most of the terrier breeds would be like this, but the flip side is that breeds that have working origins are easy to train. Some of the toy breeds are a little harder to train as they were literally created as companions and little was expected of them except to be good lap dogs.
 
Rogue-rats said:
A lot of golden retrievers weigh in over 40kg, and are touted as the ideal family pet! I honestly couldn't cope with the amount of hair they shed though, they're double coated and have a lot of hair.

A lot of people will get a small dog because they think they're not as hard work as a bigger dog or as I hear a lot "because I have a small garden". (small dogs need walks too!) A lot of small dogs were originally working dogs and can be very, very high energy. Most of the terrier breeds would be like this, but the flip side is that breeds that have working origins are easy to train. Some of the toy breeds are a little harder to train as they were literally created as companions and little was expected of them except to be good lap dogs.
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Very true it would be hard to pick a weight upper limit I guess. I don't really like golden retrievers, working with dogs they are actually the breed I've nearly been bitten by the most. I've never actually been properly been bitten luckily.
I do think an upper weight limit would hopefully improve dog health though as it may stop owners having fat dogs if they are likely to be over a weight limit.
I mean the small garden small dog thing makes sense imo. Nothing to do with the walks it's to do with the space at home?
 
Former_Antelopee said:
Very true it would be hard to pick a weight upper limit I guess. I don't really like golden retrievers, working with dogs they are actually the breed I've nearly been bitten by the most. I've never actually been properly been bitten luckily.
I do think an upper weight limit would hopefully improve dog health though as it may stop owners having fat dogs if they are likely to be over a weight limit.
I mean the small garden small dog thing makes sense imo. Nothing to do with the walks it's to do with the space at home?
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Any garden will do, a small yard or a postage stamp sized piece of grass. It's not about exercise, it's about mental enrichment, toilet training and territory. A dog won't exercise itself in a big garden unless you're going to run around with them. A lot of people think that if they have a massive garden that the dog runs around all day while they're at work. Now with the advent of doggy cams it turns out they tend to doze most of the day on the back doorstep (if you're lucky) or pace up and down in the same pattern to relieve boredom or anxiety.

The most teeth I've seen have been from cocker spaniels and cockapoos. Cockers because they are so prone to resource guarding and their crosses inheriting it, and also lots are so badly bred from puppy farms that they are riddled with anxiety. Statistically cocker spaniels (behaviourists say any colour, but for me anecdotally goldens) are the breed most likely to bite people known to them. Since about the mid noughties they were a puppy farm favourite and slowly but surely their behaviours took a turn for the worse and a lot of people who were looking for a family pet thought a cocker spaniel would be a good fit as it was the "right size" ie not too small, but not too big. I know so many cockers that were rehomed because they showed aggression towards their own family due to RG, their crosses can be the same but not to the same extent. Most are food guarders, but some guard beds/couches and their owners.
 
It's been illegal to buy, give or transfer ownership of an XL bully in England since December last year, so they shouldn't have got it anyway!
As I've said previously I have a pocket bully (rescue) and although she is friendly and affectionate she is extremely quick to get over-excited and act accordingly. I had a few quite hard nips off her when we first got her. it's almost like she can get so excited (during play for instance) that she can't think straight. I work very hard to keep her arousal levels down and help her stay calm. I don't let anyone else walk her.
She's only 20kg and not even knee high on me and there are no kids in our household.

But I can imagine a scenario where maybe the little girl was playing with her XL, the dog got over-excited, knocked the kid over and in the excitement its prey drive took over. These dogs' pit bull ancestors were originally bred to bite, hold on and rag. It's an awful tragedy but could have been avoided.
 
Rogue-rats said:
Any garden will do, a small yard or a postage stamp sized piece of grass. It's not about exercise, it's about mental enrichment, toilet training and territory. A dog won't exercise itself in a big garden unless you're going to run around with them. A lot of people think that if they have a massive garden that the dog runs around all day while they're at work. Now with the advent of doggy cams it turns out they tend to doze most of the day on the back doorstep (if you're lucky) or pace up and down in the same pattern to relieve boredom or anxiety.

The most teeth I've seen have been from cocker spaniels and cockapoos. Cockers because they are so prone to resource guarding and their crosses inheriting it, and also lots are so badly bred from puppy farms that they are riddled with anxiety. Statistically cocker spaniels (behaviourists say any colour, but for me anecdotally goldens) are the breed most likely to bite people known to them. Since about the mid noughties they were a puppy farm favourite and slowly but surely their behaviours took a turn for the worse and a lot of people who were looking for a family pet thought a cocker spaniel would be a good fit as it was the "right size" ie not too small, but not too big. I know so many cockers that were rehomed because they showed aggression towards their own family due to RG, their crosses can be the same but not to the same extent. Most are food guarders, but some guard beds/couches and their owners.
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Yes but having a garden allows you to exercise/play with the dog in the garden if you really need to. I have a small garden and a small dog. I still walk my dog but he loves to play fetch with his ball, I can do this in my garden because he is small but if I had a bigger dog it wouldn't really be worth it. I still walk him twice a day but the garden allows me to stimulate him more than if I just had a small toilet area for him. Also my other dog if you gave him his ball (big ball) he'd happily play in the garden on his own exercising himself.
 
Former_Antelopee said:
Yes but having a garden allows you to exercise/play with the dog in the garden if you really need to. I have a small garden and a small dog. I still walk my dog but he loves to play fetch with his ball, I can do this in my garden because he is small but if I had a bigger dog it wouldn't really be worth it. I still walk him twice a day but the garden allows me to stimulate him more than if I just had a small toilet area for him. Also my other dog if you gave him his ball (big ball) he'd happily play in the garden on his own exercising himself.
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I can play throw the ball with my 30kg dog on the patio! It's more about the focus on the ball and the catch with him. One of the others barely heads down the back of the garden, she's just obsessed with following my husband everywhere and doesn't play with any toys. One is too old to barely go beyond the patio for a wee and the other is too busy trying to see if there's any food left anywhere that she can rob. All the same breed, and show a lot of the same mannerisms but all slightly different in their behaviours.

There are a lot of misconceptions around what different breeds need exercise wise. A 5kg JRT needs far more exercise and activity than a 50kg Bernese but most people think a big dog automatically needs a big space. Greyhounds make excellent apartment dwellers as they sleep 23hrs a day and need a 10 minute zoomie for exercise. All over the world people are capable of raising perfectly well balanced dogs in apartments with small balconies/terraces, once they are suitable ie the likes of a husky or a beagle would be driven demented in the confines of an apartment and be highly vocal too, but a greyhound or a king charles spaniel are perfect apartment dwellers. People need to look beyond big V small size and look at breed specifics and characteristics.
 
Rogue-rats said:
I can play throw the ball with my 30kg dog on the patio! It's more about the focus on the ball and the catch with him. One of the others barely heads down the back of the garden, she's just obsessed with following my husband everywhere and doesn't play with any toys. One is too old to barely go beyond the patio for a wee and the other is too busy trying to see if there's any food left anywhere that she can rob. All the same breed, and show a lot of the same mannerisms but all slightly different in their behaviours.

There are a lot of misconceptions around what different breeds need exercise wise. A 5kg JRT needs far more exercise and activity than a 50kg Bernese but most people think a big dog automatically needs a big space. Greyhounds make excellent apartment dwellers as they sleep 23hrs a day and need a 10 minute zoomie for exercise. All over the world people are capable of raising perfectly well balanced dogs in apartments with small balconies/terraces, once they are suitable ie the likes of a husky or a beagle would be driven demented in the confines of an apartment and be highly vocal too, but a greyhound or a king charles spaniel are perfect apartment dwellers. People need to look beyond big V small size and look at breed specifics and characteristics.
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Ok I understand what you said and agree. I just think it's more a personal preference for myself I couldn't have a big dog in my small house or an apartment just as they take up more room nothing to do with exercise requirements thinking about it now
 
Former_Antelopee said:
Ok I understand what you said and agree. I just think it's more a personal preference for myself I couldn't have a big dog in my small house or an apartment just as they take up more room nothing to do with exercise requirements thinking about it now
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I do like my bigger dogs. Not giant breeds, can't deal with the short lifespan.
For smaller sized pets I do love my cats. Mine give good lap cuddles.
 

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emmer_moans said:
BBC News - Man dies after dog attack in east London
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Man dies after dog attack in east London

Man dies after dog attack in east London
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Here we go again... At time of posting, there is not much info, breaking story ...
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It's been described by neighbours at a Pitbull or fighting type dog.
Sounds like she treated it like tit and it had previously been out of control as well.
www.mirror.co.uk

Woman charged with having banned pit bull that killed pal in her flat

Leanne McDonnell, 32, appeared at Barkingside Magistrates' Court accused of owning or being in charge of the dog that attacked Akif Mustaq in east London on Wednesday morning
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God, it went for a kid just days before
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Horror moment killer dog 'lunged at schoolboy' just days before fatal attack

WARNING, DISTRESSING IMAGES: Leanne McDowell, 32, appeared at Barkingside Magistrates Court on Friday after being charged with owning a dog dangerously out of control causing injury resulting in the death of Akif Mustaq
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