COVID-19 vaccine #5 and general vaccine conversation

[Momin_mama]

There’s already a covid thread.
Anyone heard from @ChineseAlan lately?

Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #105

Continue here…. Since the last thread covid is still here and ain’t going anywhere! *usual disclaimer to keep respectful of everyone’s views even if you don’t agree with them 😬😬* last thread https://tattle.life/threads/coronavirus-disease-outbreak-covid-19-104.23086/

tattle.life

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Thank you for this.

A friend of mine got a third vaccine less than 6 months after her last because of her medication. I assumed the same would be for my husband but he never got contacted and the pharmacist called this one a booster.

I assume they are the same jab - just the timings of them are different (possibly?)!

It does look like a booster and a 3rd vaccine are different. I do not know if they differ in the type of vaccine or the dosage. The NHS describes the booster as… “a coronavirus (COVID-19) booster vaccine dose helps improve the protection you have from your first 2 doses of the vaccine. It helps give you longer-term protection against getting seriously ill from COVID-19.”

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Oh you’ve sure showed us let me grab my coat.

No one here, absolutely no one, is using anyone’s death for any agenda. In fact, I think you’re the only one linking anything here. Haven’t you your own thread now?

Yes, they do and I expect they will use it to discuss us, just like the anti-CT thread is mainly used to discuss us rather than debunking anything.

There’s already a covid thread.
Anyone heard from @ChineseAlan lately?

Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #105

Continue here…. Since the last thread covid is still here and ain’t going anywhere! *usual disclaimer to keep respectful of everyone’s views even if you don’t agree with them 😬😬* last thread https://tattle.life/threads/coronavirus-disease-outbreak-covid-19-104.23086/

tattle.life

I see her the other day on the vegan guy's thread. Proberbly a bit covid weary like all of us and needs to back away for a while

 

[Supertramp]

I haven't seen that post, sorry, but I do question why a child's death is in the media at all? I'm just trying to see the bigger picture and how this "us vs them" mentality has increasingly thrived on social media in regards to the vaccine. On reddit for example, you have members literally celebrate and mock those who have died of Covid and haven't been vaccinated.

The point is, this thread is a seemingly safe space for members to discuss their experiences with the vaccine that weren't positive, hesitancy alongside outright refusal. This wasn't allowed in the "main" thread, and since then there is an "anti conspiracy" thread where people can post that they think anyone who isn't comfortable yet with this vaccine must be some "Bill Gates is going to plant a micro-chip in my body and the government is pro- eugenics" type. On the main covid thread I've seen so many posts of people saying that they won't follow restrictions now they have had the vaccine, despite this still posing risk, so many people jetting off on holiday... where is the name-calling and vitriol for that (not that there should be, but it's a bit hypocritical)

Well you can go back and look at the post then, cos it wasn't about the vaccine, it was a post about the death of an 11 year old girl, which she chose to share on an anti COVID vax thread - no proof, no suggested link, just fear based tit posting and doubling down on why THAT is an ok source to use to 'prove' concern about children getting vaccinated

I haven't said any of the stuff you just said at all, but what I am saying about posting news that only serves the propose to promote fear, literally just happened

The relevancy to this thread, about refusing the vaccine, is that using someone else's UNRELATED trauma to reinforce your concerns is bullshit

Oh also, duck all the vaccinated people who are throwing out the restrictions, not anywhere close to defending them - duck this garbage government too - but duck fake news and the idea that just because most people on here agree with refusing the vaccine, doesn't mean you have immunity from being called a piece of tit when you post lies

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

Well you can go back and look at the post then, cos it wasn't about the vaccine, it was a post about the death of an 11 year old girl, which she chose to share on an anti COVID vax thread - no proof, no suggested link, just fear based tit posting and doubling down on why THAT is an ok source to use to 'prove' concern about children getting vaccinated

I haven't said any of the stuff you just said at all, but what I am saying about posting news that only serves the propose to promote fear, literally just happened

The relevancy to this thread, about refusing the vaccine, is that using someone else's UNRELATED trauma to reinforce your concerns is bullshit

Oh also, duck all the vaccinated people who are throwing out the restrictions, not anywhere close to defending them - duck this garbage government too - but duck fake news and the idea that just because most people on here agree with refusing the vaccine, doesn't mean you have immunity from being called a piece of tit when you post lies

You're just being nasty for the sake of it now. If you have nothing constructive to add then just leave it be please.

 

[monga]

Well you can go back and look at the post then, cos it wasn't about the vaccine, it was a post about the death of an 11 year old girl, which she chose to share on an anti COVID vax thread - no proof, no suggested link, just fear based tit posting and doubling down on why THAT is an ok source to use to 'prove' concern about children getting vaccinated

I haven't said any of the stuff you just said at all, but what I am saying about posting news that only serves the propose to promote fear, literally just happened

The relevancy to this thread, about refusing the vaccine, is that using someone else's UNRELATED trauma to reinforce your concerns is bullshit

Oh also, duck all the vaccinated people who are throwing out the restrictions, not anywhere close to defending them - duck this garbage government too - but duck fake news and the idea that just because most people on here agree with refusing the vaccine, doesn't mean you have immunity from being called a piece of tit when you post lies

There's much,much worse stuff floating about ,there's a vid of a 13yrold boy dead on the floor of a hospital getting CPR after his vaccine if people wanted to push anything across, that's the sort of content they'd be posting ,but surmising over a newspaper article isn't that extreme in the grand scheme of things .

 

[blueblueindigo]

Well you can go back and look at the post then, cos it wasn't about the vaccine, it was a post about the death of an 11 year old girl, which she chose to share on an anti COVID vax thread - no proof, no suggested link, just fear based tit posting and doubling down on why THAT is an ok source to use to 'prove' concern about children getting vaccinated

I haven't said any of the stuff you just said at all, but what I am saying about posting news that only serves the propose to promote fear, literally just happened

The relevancy to this thread, about refusing the vaccine, is that using someone else's UNRELATED trauma to reinforce your concerns is bullshit

Oh also, duck all the vaccinated people who are throwing out the restrictions, not anywhere close to defending them - duck this garbage government too - but duck fake news and the idea that just because most people on here agree with refusing the vaccine, doesn't mean you have immunity from being called a piece of tit when you post lies

"Promoting fear" ahem, it's been widely publicised this year that children are at very low risk of severe illness & death from Coronavirus. The poster just screenshotted news from the Mirror, and speculated, just as the comments from the article seem to be doing the same. Once again I question why this tragedy was published in a tabloid. I also think at this stage in the game there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, just look at how our own government handled the blood clotting scandal. The point is, no one can draw conclusions, until more unfortunate data is available, just like how the vaccine/pandemic as a whole has disrupted some girls/women's cycles is still not conclusive despite reports.

Back to my main point, I just don't feel it's particularly productive to stomp out any critical discussion about this, especially when it creates such hostility. We have gone from criticising those with authority over this matter, to name-calling and worse those who we see as being on the opposite side.

 

[Yoghurtpots]

Well you can go back and look at the post then, cos it wasn't about the vaccine, it was a post about the death of an 11 year old girl, which she chose to share on an anti COVID vax thread - no proof, no suggested link, just fear based tit posting and doubling down on why THAT is an ok source to use to 'prove' concern about children getting vaccinated

I haven't said any of the stuff you just said at all, but what I am saying about posting news that only serves the propose to promote fear, literally just happened

The relevancy to this thread, about refusing the vaccine, is that using someone else's UNRELATED trauma to reinforce your concerns is bullshit

Oh also, duck all the vaccinated people who are throwing out the restrictions, not anywhere close to defending them - duck this garbage government too - but duck fake news and the idea that just because most people on here agree with refusing the vaccine, doesn't mean you have immunity from being called a piece of tit when you post lies

Wow so not only does the super woman want everyone vaccinated, including those like myself that are not at risk, the super woman also thinks that the people who have taken the experimental vaccine should keep being restricted! Are you saying then the vaccines don't work! Make your mind up. How about most normal people don't care whether or not somebody has had the vaccine and most normal people want to get back to normal. If you like living under tyranny there are plenty of countries to choose from where you can be completely enslaved and restricted, feel free to move there. Also if you really cared about children, you would be concerned that they are unnecessarily vaccinating them and putting them at risk of myocarditis and death. We will expect to see children die over this vaccine and we will discuss it. Occasionally the odd death will be unrelated as we sometimes get things wrong. Least its not 10s of 1000s though like what your precious UK government have done.

 

[Supertramp]

You're just being nasty for the sake of it now. If you have nothing constructive to add then just leave it be please.

Nah what about that is nasty, if the boot fits, wear it just admit that you wanna be happy using the sudden death of a girl to further your own agenda and we'll be done with it

There's much,much worse stuff floating about ,there's a vid of a 13yrold boy dead on the floor of a hospital getting CPR after his vaccine if people wanted to push anything across, that's the sort of content they'd be posting ,but surmising over a newspaper article isn't that extreme in the grand scheme of things .

Yeah and that's really sad, obviously - but it IS related to the conversation, and what she posted that I am calling bullshit on, is NOT

"Promoting fear" ahem, it's been widely publicised this year that children are at very low risk of severe illness & death from Coronavirus. The poster just screenshotted news from the Mirror, and speculated, just as the comments from the article seem to be doing the same. Once again I question why this tragedy was published in a tabloid. I also think at this stage in the game there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, just look at how our own government handled the blood clotting scandal. The point is, no one can draw conclusions, until more unfortunate data is available, just like how the vaccine/pandemic as a whole has disrupted some girls/women's cycles is still not conclusive despite reports.

Back to my main point, I just don't feel it's particularly productive to stomp out any critical discussion about this, especially when it creates such hostility. We have gone from criticising those with authority over this matter, to name-calling and worse those who we see as being on the opposite side.

Yeah and being skeptical is great, totally agree, but heavily implying that a tragic incident is in any way related to the topic of this thread - refusing the vaccine - isn't being skeptical of vaccinations, or the government, it's just trying to use a tragedy for your own agenda

And hey, if it comes out that y'all were right and that poor 11 year old child did pass away from vaccine complications, feel free to gloat away, but until then you're just fear mongering, trying to connect two disparate events because it fits in with your narrative it's called conformation bias

Wow so not only does the super woman want everyone vaccinated, including those like myself that are not at risk, the super woman also thinks that the people who have taken the experimental vaccine should keep being restricted! Are you saying then the vaccines don't work! Make your mind up. How about most normal people don't care whether or not somebody has had the vaccine and most normal people want to get back to normal. If you like living under tyranny there are plenty of countries to choose from where you can be completely enslaved and restricted, feel free to move there. Also if you really cared about children, you would be concerned that they are unnecessarily vaccinating them and putting them at risk of myocarditis and death. We will expect to see children die over this vaccine and we will discuss it. Occasionally the odd death will be unrelated as we sometimes get things wrong. Least its not 10s of 1000s though like what your precious UK government have done.

Lol I think there should still be certain restrictions because vaccines are a PART of the solution, not a bloody silver bullet - I still wear a seatbelt even though they aren't 100% effective at preventing death in accidents

 

[MensaBarbie1985]

I'm so glad this thread is here - I have found my people. This will probably be quite a long post as there's a lot I'd like to get out there...

My undergraduate degree is in psychology, my postgrad in clinical research; currently writing a PhD proposal about attitudes towards clinical research and in particular pandemic research. I have over a decade of experience of working in medical research (entirely for the NHS so no conflict of interest from 'big pharma') including approving various clinical trials. I have seen and worked on coronavirus research over the years, mRNA research, etc. Yet during this pandemic I have been repeatedly told that everything I have learned and everything I have worked on has been some sort of government conspiracy and 'I only know what I've been told'

I participated in the Novavax vaccine trial - had my first dose in October 2020 and second in November 2020. Had absolutely no side effects but have had a bit of a nightmare now that it isn't accepted worldwide in the same way it is in the UK. I travel a lot so plan on getting two doses of Pfizer to mitigate this - I have no qualms at all about having four doses of the vaccine. As you can see I am massively pro-vaccine but am also sick of conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers citing a 'difference of opinion' - the difference being I deal in cold hard scientific fact and they 'do their research' via bitchute (and don't get me started on citing the yellow card system as gospel!)

Back in July I got Covid; I don't know if I was just unlucky or whether too much time has elapsed since I had my second dose (considering boosters are being offered after 6 months). I can honestly say I've never felt so ill in all my life; I wasn't admitted to hospital but it was a close call. I am still suffering from breathlessness and extreme fatigue - before this I used to go to the gym 3-4 times a week and now I can barely climb the stairs. I've had a chest x-ray and bloods taken which has shown no lasting damage in that regard but there is now basically nothing anyone can do for me and no-one can tell when or even if I will get better

When the research on Covid started coming out I literally ticked every box to be considered 'low risk' - I'm 35, female, Caucasian, no underlying health conditions, regular exercise, health eating, non-smoker, even o rhesus negative blood type. There was actually an article in the Mail on Sunday with the headline 'If you are a 35 year old female you are more likely to be hit by a bus than suffer massively with Covid' - and I really truly believed that (although I always stuck to the guidance and was never blase about it). I honestly hate feeling like this and it winds me up so much when people refuse the vaccine because they believe it won't effect them badly if they do get it - there's just no telling

Sorry - rant over

 

[Purrrrrrr]

 

[blueblueindigo]

Nah what about that is nasty, if the boot fits, wear it just admit that you wanna be happy using the sudden death of a girl to further your own agenda and we'll be done with it

Yeah and that's really sad, obviously - but it IS related to the conversation, and what she posted that I am calling bullshit on, is NOT


Yeah and being skeptical is great, totally agree, but heavily implying that a tragic incident is in any way related to the topic of this thread - refusing the vaccine - isn't being skeptical of vaccinations, or the government, it's just trying to use a tragedy for your own agenda

And hey, if it comes out that y'all were right and that poor 11 year old child did pass away from vaccine complications, feel free to gloat away, but until then you're just fear mongering, trying to connect two disparate events because it fits in with your narrative it's called conformation bias


Lol I think there should still be certain restrictions because vaccines are a PART of the solution, not a bloody silver bullet - I still wear a seatbelt even though they aren't 100% effective at preventing death in accidents

Sorry, but you are acting like I posted those screenshots or even discussed them at the time. Still I don't think being hostile to that poster is warranted, and yes, jumping to conclusions about it being a vaccine related death isn't fair, but if you look at the comment section of the article, most Mirror users are speculating it was so it's hardly a unique position (right or wrong).

I just see where this conversation is leading? Things are constantly evolving, people can cherry pick what data or personal experiences to suit their own narrative/agenda I don't think anyone would disagree.

 

[Yoghurtpots]

Nah what about that is nasty, if the boot fits, wear it just admit that you wanna be happy using the sudden death of a girl to further your own agenda and we'll be done with it

Yeah and that's really sad, obviously - but it IS related to the conversation, and what she posted that I am calling bullshit on, is NOT


Yeah and being skeptical is great, totally agree, but heavily implying that a tragic incident is in any way related to the topic of this thread - refusing the vaccine - isn't being skeptical of vaccinations, or the government, it's just trying to use a tragedy for your own agenda

And hey, if it comes out that y'all were right and that poor 11 year old child did pass away from vaccine complications, feel free to gloat away, but until then you're just fear mongering, trying to connect two disparate events because it fits in with your narrative it's called conformation bias


Lol I think there should still be certain restrictions because vaccines are a PART of the solution, not a bloody silver bullet - I still wear a seatbelt even though they aren't 100% effective at preventing death in accidents

Omg the average age of death was 82 with 2 comorbidities. This is not ebola or some killer disease for most people. We have the data now. Its over. We have to move on. Our lives have been on hold for nearly 2 years, most peoples mental health has suffered, childrens mental health problems have doubled since 2019. People are losing their businesses, children are losing their education, child abuse has risen. We MUST move on. If people choose to stay at home and shield then they can but the rest of us, the majority of us want to get on with life now. Stepping out of your door every day poses a risk, most of us accept that and get on with life. If the lockdowns benefited your life in someway then ask yourself what your life was missing to make essentially, a prison, a better life. Most of us don't want that. Also boring now about using the death etc.. we know you don't care about children otherwise you would be standing up for them being unnecessarily jabbed and experimented on.

 

[monga]

Nah what about that is nasty, if the boot fits, wear it just admit that you wanna be happy using the sudden death of a girl to further your own agenda and we'll be done with it

Yeah and that's really sad, obviously - but it IS related to the conversation, and what she posted that I am calling bullshit on, is NOT


Yeah and being skeptical is great, totally agree, but heavily implying that a tragic incident is in any way related to the topic of this thread - refusing the vaccine - isn't being skeptical of vaccinations, or the government, it's just trying to use a tragedy for your own agenda

And hey, if it comes out that y'all were right and that poor 11 year old child did pass away from vaccine complications, feel free to gloat away, but until then you're just fear mongering, trying to connect two disparate events because it fits in with your narrative it's called conformation bias


Lol I think there should still be certain restrictions because vaccines are a PART of the solution, not a bloody silver bullet - I still wear a seatbelt even though they aren't 100% effective at preventing death in accidents

I was the one questioned why an 11yr old would’ve got the vaccine in the first place , that’s what we do here ask questions and debate amongst ourselves not charge in calling people names and forcing opinions, we’re all old enough to engage respectfully for the most part .

 

[Purrrrrrr]

I was the one questioned why an 11yr old would’ve got the vaccine in the first place , that’s what we do here ask questions and debate amongst ourselves not charge in calling people names and forcing opinions, we’re all old enough to engage respectfully for the most part .

Yes, I don't take offence at people questioning what I post. I expect it and if I get something wrong I welcome it but all this virtual signalling is icky, It has been 24 hours now and still like a dog with a bone. I expect they were triggered by my pointing out all the little smilies when they were beating their chest with grief

 

[Supertramp]

Sorry, but you are acting like I posted those screenshots or even discussed them at the time. Still I don't think being hostile to that poster is warranted, and yes, jumping to conclusions about it being a vaccine related death isn't fair, but if you look at the comment section of the article, most Mirror users are speculating it was so it's hardly a unique position (right or wrong).

I just see where this conversation is leading? Things are constantly evolving, people can cherry pick what data or personal experiences to suit their own narrative/agenda I don't think anyone would disagree.

So why are you out here defending them then, they've given up cos they don't have a leg to stand on

And if you're going to talk about data, your base isn't 'most mirror users' it's 'mirror commenters on that article' - cherry picking data is wrong though so if you're gonna defend that I don't know what to say

Yes, I don't take offence at people questioning what I post. I expect it and if I get something wrong I welcome it but all this virtual signalling is icky, It has been 24 hours now and still like a dog with a bone. I expect they were triggered by my pointing out all the little smilies when they were beating their chest with grief

Fine, take me out of it - so you admit that what you posted was wrong then, or are you still gonna defend it - much like a dog with a bone yourself

 

[Jen667]

I'm sorry you were hit with such a bad dose. I agree with everything you say. We all know that the chances of becoming seriously ill or dying if you're young and healthy are slim. But they're not impossible. I have a friend in her 40s who was very sick with Covid (slim healthy and was unvaccinated as this was early on in the pandemic and pre vaccination). She now has a permanently damaged heart and has gone from being able to comfortably run 10ks to needing to stop halfway up climbing her house stairs.

Someone i work with has a 9 year old in hospital with Covid. And we are still learning about the catastrophic impact of long Covid

 

[monga]

Yes, I don't take offence at people questioning what I post. I expect it and if I get something wrong I welcome it but all this virtual signalling is icky, It has been 24 hours now and still like a dog with a bone. I expect they were triggered by my pointing out all the little smilies when they were beating their chest with grief

Yes I know you don’t , like a good many others on a certain thread ,you’ve always been very welcoming and can debate things in an non aggressive manner that’s why I always liked that thread, although there are exceptions for people that charge in all guns blazing

 

[Yoghurtpots]

So why are you out here defending them then, they've given up cos they don't have a leg to stand on

And if you're going to talk about data, your base isn't 'most mirror users' it's 'mirror commenters on that article' - cherry picking data is wrong though so if you're gonna defend that I don't know what to say


Fine, take me out of it - so you admit that what you posted was wrong then, or are you still gonna defend it - much like a dog with a bone yourself

I think you're just embarrassing yourself the super woman. I think you wanted to come on and try and bully everyone into taking the experimental vaccine (lol) but actually got a little bit schooled. You have also embarrassed yourself by admitting that the vaccinated should be restricted as it doesn't work properly it seems like you are clinging on to purrrs comment as a way to feel morally superior but you just look really stupid. If you have nothing to say about the vaccine then scoot off to your thread which is probably just a thread discussing us very little science will be getting discussed there I imagine. Just little snippets of the paid Shillary Jones saying exactly what hes told to say by his big pharma bosses.

 

[Superdude]

There's still a lot of 'unknowns' with covid, which is why following the science and taking sensible precautions is needed. I'm aware many young fit people feel invincible, but nobody is. On the other hand I'm overweight, in my 50s and so could be more at risk, so of course I'll welcome a protective vaccine. Crazy some don't!