COVID-19 vaccine #15 & general vaccine conversation

[rainbowlemon]

They explained the 120 number:

"Using the larger figure, the authors observe that with 135 of 213 occurring within the first week – more than half – the risk in that week is greatly elevated. Among males aged 16 to 24 years, the risk was around 13-fold greater during the week after a second dose of Pfizer and 38-fold greater after a second dose of Moderna. For a second dose of Moderna where the first dose was Pfizer the risk was 120-fold greater."

For me personally I wish they made a Tiktok video.

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

They explained the 120 number:

"Using the larger figure, the authors observe that with 135 of 213 occurring within the first week – more than half – the risk in that week is greatly elevated. Among males aged 16 to 24 years, the risk was around 13-fold greater during the week after a second dose of Pfizer and 38-fold greater after a second dose of Moderna. For a second dose of Moderna where the first dose was Pfizer the risk was 120-fold greater."

For me personally I wish they made a Tiktok video.

In the limitations section - “…we studied myocarditis as diagnosed in clinical practice and could therefore not assess how many of these patients fulfilled all criteria for receiving a myocarditis diagnosis.”

 

[rainbowlemon]

So they did look at people who had been identified with myocarditis, but could not determine if ALL of the criteria had been met? You don't always need everything.

With the Framingham criteria for heart failure:

You need at least 1 major and 2 minor symptoms to be diagnosed from the full list of symptoms.

 

[Poddular]

In the limitations section - “…we studied myocarditis as diagnosed in clinical practice and could therefore not assess how many of these patients fulfilled all criteria for receiving a myocarditis diagnosis.”

Oh that's alright then.
Let's all look the other way and keep getting the jabs.
That we don't need and don't work.
And we are not children on here, Msanya36 is entitled to their views just as you are. Some could say your views are extreme and dare I say not accurate. You are not the vaccine police.

 

[Msanya36]

How can they when one side is told to shut up all the time.
I noticed once again no comfort from you for someone who has had reactions to the vaccines but you jump on anyone who might tell them to think about taking the vaccine

Thank you! For one I never told her what to do, OBVIOUSLY it's her choice! But she stated she's dreading getting it , therefore I responded she can say No!

I don’t see anyone telling people here they should be getting the vaccine and forcing their views on others. Oh I’m sorry are you keeping track of what I post or don’t post? Of course I wish anyone well.

You called me Extreme??? I'm a veterinary professional, merely telling her she can say no! And go look at the stats, the Covid vaxs are a failure by any stretch, don't blame me.

 

[Oohthedrama]

The longer I spend in a hospital setting,
the more I see this vaccine as a pile of bullshit.
And this whole pandemic, the fact it’s STILL causing such fucking drama I’m so over it…
I’ve watched people face heartbreaking diagnosis’s alone because there are “no visitors” allowed,
I keep editing and deleting this,
because I want to say so much more but can’t.
(Disclaimer; Not anti anything bla bla bla)

 

[monga]

The longer I spend in a hospital setting,
the more I see this vaccine as a pile of bullshit.

sorry.

Hope you're doing Ok x

 

[Msanya36]

And just to state the obvious - if you are immunocompromised, why would you hammer your immune system repeatedly with a vaccine? I presume you already know as an immunocompromised individual you are not going to mount the same cellular immuno response but also know you're going to be putting yourself under continous pressure every time and the very action of doing so again and again is going to weaken you if anything?

You do not know this persons medical history to be giving them advice like this.

Telling the person they have a choice to say no is hardly medical advice and stating the obvious there, OBVIOUSLY the choice is that persons,above all else!

 

[monga]

And just to state the obvious - if you are immunocompromised, why would you hammer your immune system repeatedly with a vaccine? I presume you already know as an immunocompromised individual you are not going to mount the same cellular immuno response but also know you're going to be putting yourself under continous pressure every time and the very action of doing so again and again is going to weaken you if anything?

If we're hitting 600 deaths per day atm it must wane pretty quick .

 

[Oohthedrama]

How can they when one side is told to shut up all the time.
I noticed once again no comfort from you for someone who has had reactions to the vaccines but you jump on anyone who might tell them to think about taking the vaccine

First hand saw a nurse who works as a CNM in palliative care have to leave her 4 kids at home (the youngest being 2) for 5 weeks as she lay in a hospital bed, and she told a handful of people why she was in because of stigma/fear of not being believed.
Hard to see and then see others who have no idea what they’re talking about be so judgemental of other’s choices.
Not on here, I haven’t read on here in weeks sorry
Edit… absolutely fucking sure it’s happening in here as well

Hope you're doing Ok x

thank you monga. I’m a
Can’t kill me apparently

 

[Msanya36]

First hand saw a nurse who works as a CNM in palliative care have to leave her 4 kids at home (the youngest being 2) for 5 weeks as she lay in a hospital bed, and she told a handful of people why she was in because of stigma/fear of not being believed.
Hard to see and then see others who have no idea what they’re talking about be so judgemental of other’s choices.
Not on here, I haven’t read on here in weeks sorry

A reaction?

If we're hitting 600 deaths per day atm it must wane pretty quick .

Where bouts are you? What country?

 

[monga]

A reaction?


Where bouts are you? What country?

UK lol !

First hand saw a nurse who works as a CNM in palliative care have to leave her 4 kids at home (the youngest being 2) for 5 weeks as she lay in a hospital bed, and she told a handful of people why she was in because of stigma/fear of not being believed.
Hard to see and then see others who have no idea what they’re talking about be so judgemental of other’s choices.
Not on here, I haven’t read on here in weeks sorry
Edit… absolutely fucking sure it’s happening in here as well




thank you monga. I’m a
Can’t kill me apparently

That’s good we want you back it’s too quiet without you x on the plus at least you missed the StGeorges day tributes

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Oh that's alright then.
Let's all look the other way and keep getting the jabs.
That we don't need and don't work.
And we are not children on here, Msanya36 is entitled to their views just as you are. Some could say your views are extreme and dare I say not accurate. You are not the vaccine police.

I don’t tell people what to do and what they should or should not get. Big difference there.

You called me Extreme??? I'm a veterinary professional, merely telling her she can say no! And go look at the stats, the Covid vaxs are a failure by any stretch, don't blame me.

Being a vet professional does not make you qualified to tell people they are better off getting infected with Covid-19. Nor is what you are saying accurate.

 

[Piff paff puff]

The longer I spend in a hospital setting,
the more I see this vaccine as a pile of bullshit.
And this whole pandemic, the fact it’s STILL causing such fucking drama I’m so over it…
I’ve watched people face heartbreaking diagnosis’s alone because there are “no visitors” allowed,
I keep editing and deleting this,
because I want to say so much more but can’t.
(Disclaimer; Not anti anything bla bla bla)

True frontline. Bringing the facts

 

[Msanya36]

Oh that's alright then.
Let's all look the other way and keep getting the jabs.
That we don't need and don't work.
And we are not children on here, Msanya36 is entitled to their views just as you are. Some could say your views are extreme and dare I say not accurate. You are not the vaccine police.

Why thank you kindly!!

The longer I spend in a hospital setting,
the more I see this vaccine as a pile of bullshit.
And this whole pandemic, the fact it’s STILL causing such fucking drama I’m so over it…
I’ve watched people face heartbreaking diagnosis’s alone because there are “no visitors” allowed,
I keep editing and deleting this,
because I want to say so much more but can’t.
(Disclaimer; Not anti anything bla bla bla)

Ssaammeee!

 

[monga]

In the limitations section - “…we studied myocarditis as diagnosed in clinical practice and could therefore not assess how many of these patients fulfilled all criteria for receiving a myocarditis diagnosis.”

That’s just a fancy way of saying they don’t know

 

[Msanya36]

I don’t tell people what to do and what they should or should not get. Big difference there.



Being a vet professional does not make you qualified to tell people they are better off getting infected with Covid-19. Nor is what you are saying accurate.

But in this case it IS actually better? People who've been infected especially now with Omicron are reporting if they undergo Antibody tests, immunity tests, the protection is FAR better??? And as for my profession, given that I've a B.Sc and have a ton of exams done in Immunology, Pharmacology, Biochemistry to name a few and am Qualified and by Law actually can advise the public on Vaccines, have administered them many times? Oh it is accurate tho, go look?? Where's your 90% immunity your were promised??

 

[monga]

But in this case it IS actually better? People who've been infected especially now with Omicron are reporting if they undergo Antibody tests, immunity tests, the protection is FAR better??? And as for my profession, given that I've a B.Sc and have a ton of exams done in Immunology, Pharmacology, Biochemistry to name a few and am Qualified and by Law actually can advise the public on Vaccines, have administered them many times? Oh it is accurate tho, go look?? Where's your 90% immunity your were promised??

You’ll be right up their st then with all those qualifications

 

[mcfeez]

Telling the person they have a choice to say no is hardly medical advice and stating the obvious there, OBVIOUSLY the choice is that persons,above all else!

You advised someone they'd be better getting covid while knowing nothing about their medical history -
"You've had enough and will have some immunity from 3 but you'd be far better off now just getting Covid itself as you will have a truer response plus can mount immunity to many parts of the virus?"

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

But in this case it IS actually better? People who've been infected especially now with Omicron are reporting if they undergo Antibody tests, immunity tests, the protection is FAR better??? And as for my profession, given that I've a B.Sc and have a ton of exams done in Immunology, Pharmacology, Biochemistry to name a few and am Qualified and by Law actually can advise the public on Vaccines, have administered them many times? Oh it is accurate tho, go look?? Where's your 90% immunity your were promised??

Are you a qualified Dr? Do you know every poster’s medical history and underlying health conditions? No.

You’ve administered vaccines in animals since you said you are a vet professional? Not the same for humans. Sorry but it simply is not true to say getting infected with Covid-19 is better than the vaccine.