Caroline Hirons #36 Why does Ava look like her mums prison lover?

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Who patently favours her daughter over her sons.
I think it's the opposite way (she used to hold her boys up as Kings and was very much BoyMum and said some really snotty and horrible things about bringing up girls vs bringing up boys, daddy's girls vs mummy's boys, generally stuff about how daughters are a pain) but she knows Ava has TikTok value that her boys don't.
 
I think it's the opposite way (she used to hold her boys up as Kings and was very much BoyMum and said some really snotty and horrible things about bringing up girls vs bringing up boys, daddy's girls vs mummy's boys, generally stuff about how daughters are a pain) but she knows Ava has TikTok value that her boys don't.

Agreed, I wonder how the boys feel about her. I just can’t imagine the dynamic in that house. Ava I’m sure makes some dosh from ‘influencing’ but the boys (and DIL if they are still together?) live off Hirons by all accounts. Bet they are too scared to say a word to her in fear their allowances will be taken away! I often wonder how her kids partners deal with being part of that family.
 
I’m intrigued about the financials of how her company / companies work. Does anyone know?

Skin Rocks sells the want-to-be-elite “high end skincare” which is actually ”formulated” by toddlers with a degree.

And Cazza herself sells the ShitKits?

Via her self named website which is now just a tab on the Skin Rocks site but has its own url.

So is it a separate company? Does the money from that go to her and not to ShitRocks?

I know she owns ShitRocks with her business partner but are the ShitKits separate? If so, how does she pay the people in the office for the work they do on the ShitKits? And how does she monetise her own identity on socials (including the freaks group) for the benefit of both?
 
How can she go on a live and moan about ppl not being presentable on a zoom call?? In every event/live she’s done she looks like she’s ran through a jumble sale with miss sized clothes and a birds nest of hair that’s never seen a hairbrush!!! And don’t get me started on those veneers that are a totally different shade at the top to the bottom set that she couldn’t afford to do. Also Ava…the great unwashed. Always wearing a wife beater vest looking like she could do with a good scrub and greasy slick backed hair!!! Shes is a true narcissist projecting her failings onto others!!!
 
I’m intrigued about the financials of how her company / companies work. Does anyone know?

Skin Rocks sells the want-to-be-elite “high end skincare” which is actually ”formulated” by toddlers with a degree.

And Cazza herself sells the ShitKits?

Via her self named website which is now just a tab on the Skin Rocks site but has its own url.

So is it a separate company? Does the money from that go to her and not to ShitRocks?

I know she owns ShitRocks with her business partner but are the ShitKits separate? If so, how does she pay the people in the office for the work they do on the ShitKits? And how does she monetise her own identity on socials (including the freaks group) for the benefit of both?
Hirons will set up each business venture in a separate company. So there will be a company behind 'Caroline Hirons, skin influencer', and 'Skin Rocks'. She may have other companies. She'll pay tax on the declared profits of each company, and equally if any business venture tanks, that company can be quietly wound up, without affecting her other businesses.

She obviously hopes to flog SR at some point, which is why it doesn't have her name on it (eg Bobbi Brown set up her eponymous company producing make up, built the business then flogged it, but she also lost the right to use her name commercially, hence her calling her next venture 'Jones Road').

It's never quite clear whether the company employing the staff is SR or CH, but there will be agreements in place to allow the staff of one to work for the other (eg a SR 'scientist' being part of the CH team which comes up with the kits).

SR doesn't have it's own labs or development chemists, so it will be buying off the shelf formulas from the manufacturers. The formulas are costed to different levels, and are selected to meet the needs of the chosen demographic based on the cost plus profit that demographic will support. So in Hirons case, she's targeting women in their late thirties plus, so she'll be looking for 'anti-aging' ingredients, but these women have a lot of money to spend so the formulas will have to feel like any other high-end product (just feel, mind you, they don't have to perform like one). A bit of limited customisation will be thrown in (eg, tinting the cream pink or yellow, adding fragrance), so her product won't look like anything else on the market (even if other products use exactly the same base formula) and will feel like her range (eg all having same scent). The profit margin on skincare is huge - I reckon at the moment better even than food. As a side note, I notice there has been a huge shift from natural ingredients and fragrances back to scientific sounding chemical formulas on the basis of performance. That's not accidental, it's because lab produced ingredients will be cheaper, more consistent and easier to produce than essential oils which rely on good weather etc.

The kits are CH - she's using her audience to attract brands who aim their products at the demographic which follow her. The products are supplied at a huge discount (maybe even free as loss leaders, in some cases). Being able to bung a few SR products into the kits is great for SR 'sales' figures (so they can report things like 'every two minutes someone buys a SR cream' or 'the SR cleanser is the most purchased by AB1 consumers over forty') - those claims are then used as the basis for industry award applications or as incentives to get a counter in a high end retail shop, for example). Meanwhile, for the CH kits, being given a SR cleanser for cost or even less than cost price means she can claim the overall kit 'saving' is even higher, thereby selling more kits.
 
I still can't get over that with all her apparent nous and experience, she still called the brand Skin Rocks. Its such a juvenile brand name, it doesn't sound like it's made for the 35+ luxury market. It genuinely sounds like a brand catering for for tweens.

Also that it sounds like a jokey term for milia or skin tags.
 
Hirons will set up each business venture in a separate company. So there will be a company behind 'Caroline Hirons, skin influencer', and 'Skin Rocks'. She may have other companies. She'll pay tax on the declared profits of each company, and equally if any business venture tanks, that company can be quietly wound up, without affecting her other businesses.

She obviously hopes to flog SR at some point, which is why it doesn't have her name on it (eg Bobbi Brown set up her eponymous company producing make up, built the business then flogged it, but she also lost the right to use her name commercially, hence her calling her next venture 'Jones Road').

It's never quite clear whether the company employing the staff is SR or CH, but there will be agreements in place to allow the staff of one to work for the other (eg a SR 'scientist' being part of the CH team which comes up with the kits).

SR doesn't have it's own labs or development chemists, so it will be buying off the shelf formulas from the manufacturers. The formulas are costed to different levels, and are selected to meet the needs of the chosen demographic based on the cost plus profit that demographic will support. So in Hirons case, she's targeting women in their late thirties plus, so she'll be looking for 'anti-aging' ingredients, but these women have a lot of money to spend so the formulas will have to feel like any other high-end product (just feel, mind you, they don't have to perform like one). A bit of limited customisation will be thrown in (eg, tinting the cream pink or yellow, adding fragrance), so her product won't look like anything else on the market (even if other products use exactly the same base formula) and will feel like her range (eg all having same scent). The profit margin on skincare is huge - I reckon at the moment better even than food. As a side note, I notice there has been a huge shift from natural ingredients and fragrances back to scientific sounding chemical formulas on the basis of performance. That's not accidental, it's because lab produced ingredients will be cheaper, more consistent and easier to produce than essential oils which rely on good weather etc.

The kits are CH - she's using her audience to attract brands who aim their products at the demographic which follow her. The products are supplied at a huge discount (maybe even free as loss leaders, in some cases). Being able to bung a few SR products into the kits is great for SR 'sales' figures (so they can report things like 'every two minutes someone buys a SR cream' or 'the SR cleanser is the most purchased by AB1 consumers over forty') - those claims are then used as the basis for industry award applications or as incentives to get a counter in a high end retail shop, for example). Meanwhile, for the CH kits, being given a SR cleanser for cost or even less than cost price means she can claim the overall kit 'saving' is even higher, thereby selling more kits.

This is a brilliant answer! Thank you!

It’s always confused me the blurring of boundaries between the company(ies) and the social media presence and the marketing. I guess it shouldn’t because she’s a narcissist and blurring of boundaries is they do.

It feels odd to have a freaks group which was set up to chat about skincare be monetised for SR and the kits. It’s now an advertisement for her businesses which no one has ever called her on.
 
She's claimed that unlike well known brands and stores that launch advent calendars, she always pays for the product she puts in her kits.

She also says she never goes on holiday, she'll only put full size products in her kits (hello summer kit and oskia serum), she'll only ever put skin care in (hello bath oil)..so I dont think I believe her

I have watched a few of her kit launches now and I reckon I can recognise now her bullshit selling face. I'm no body language expert but I reckon she's got a "face" for when she says things like "of course everyone can use this" (but the kit is geared towards oily skin and that's why it still hasnt sold out), or "oskia has made this size just for us" (it's a sample and I would bet my first born that was free or super cheap as a loss leader or part of the oskia's marketing budget) etc.
 
This is a brilliant answer! Thank you!

It’s always confused me the blurring of boundaries between the company(ies) and the social media presence and the marketing. I guess it shouldn’t because she’s a narcissist and blurring of boundaries is they do.

It feels odd to have a freaks group which was set up to chat about skincare be monetised for SR and the kits. It’s now an advertisement for her businesses which no one has ever called her on.
You're welcome!

I was thinking of all the ways Hirons can monetise the freaks (if anyone knows any other ways, please add them):

1. Youtube - advertising revenue, sponsored videos, affiliate codes

2. Insta - sponsored posts, affiliate codes

3. Her app - subscription fees, data harvesting and sale

4. On the back of the app data, brand/industry consulting gigs

5. Skin Rocks - product purchases

6. Kits - product purchase, brand incentive payments

Any other ways that the freaks contribute to her personal fortune?
 
You're welcome!

I was thinking of all the ways Hirons can monetise the freaks (if anyone knows any other ways, please add them):

1. Youtube - advertising revenue, sponsored videos, affiliate codes

2. Insta - sponsored posts, affiliate codes

3. Her app - subscription fees, data harvesting and sale

4. On the back of the app data, brand/industry consulting gigs

5. Skin Rocks - product purchases

6. Kits - product purchase, brand incentive payments

Any other ways that the freaks contribute to her personal fortune?
Tiktok creator fund? 41.8k followers currently so not a lot.
 
I’m not going to criticise someone who, when at the lowest point in their life, found some light - even if it was from Hirons.
Hirons listened to that poster when she needed it most. The poster will never forget how Hirons made her feel and will forever feel grateful to her so no, I’m not going to knock either of them for that.
Yes I agree
 
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