wait, WHAT?! suddenly it all makes sense as to why the woman behind the Toby and Roo IG account is "friends" with babs! listening to her on the podcast, I wasn't aware that she has a whole separate IG account called "unfollowing mum", all about her experiences of growing up with a narcissistic mother, talking about healing from childhood trauma, breaking that cycle of toxic behaviours so that you don't continue them with your own kids and even advice about cutting off toxic family members!
she clearly maintains a "friendship" with babs for research purposes - and will hopefully be a great resource and support for the Es as they grow up, navigating their own childhood experiences of exploitation by their narcissistic bully of a mother, especially if they do decide to cut contact with her.
her account quite literally describes babs and her relationship with the Es - but as always with babs, she won't use it as inspiration to address her toxic behaviour there is no doubt in my mind that she is using the Conway family as a case study!
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