American Murder: The Family Next Door - Netflix

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How long was he with the gf before he committed the murders? I'm a bit confused, I thought it was the 6 weeks he was by himself, but on their trip the gf was saying she loved him.

The gf must have known about his wife and kids surely? Doesn't everyone google someone when they meet them and do a social media stalk. Especially if you are being spun a line about separating from your wife. Shannan was an open book on her fb page so would have been easy to see rhe photos of them all, pregnancy annoucement etc?
 
Victim blaming isn’t just saying “she was annoying she deserved to die”

It’s a lot more complex and I think there’s some pretty clear indirect sexism in a lot of what people are saying about her, on this thread and other places on the internet.

Id love some more insight on the people quoted on the documentary blaming her etc on the Facebook groups.

That poor, poor woman and girls the documentary has been haunting me since I watched it. The vast majority of people who commit similar crimes are men and it just shows how much is wrong in society and the desperate need for male violences to be tackled head on as priority.

I don’t believe for one minute he felt any remorse, he was cold and calculated throughout. Sad he wouldn’t be living a new life with his new girlfriend I can believe though
 
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How long was he with the gf before he committed the murders? I'm a bit confused, I thought it was the 6 weeks he was by himself, but on their trip the gf was saying she loved him.

The gf must have known about his wife and kids surely? Doesn't everyone google someone when they meet them and do a social media stalk. Especially if you are being spun a line about separating from your wife. Shannan was an open book on her fb page so would have been easy to see rhe photos of them all, pregnancy annoucement etc?
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They met through work so had maybe known each other on a friendly colleague basis for a while, but it seems that the physical affair started around the time Shanann and the kids went to North Carolina, leaving him alone in Colorado. I can't recall hearing how long exactly they were together though. It seems things moved pretty fast once they got together though, they even took a trip away together in that time!
 
I watched it accidentally, as in I hadn’t heard of the case at all, had no idea where it was heading and then really wished I wasn’t watching anymore but was totally hooked in.

What a cowardly, small man. All he had to do was ask for a divorce. The banality of evil never more apt.

I thought he seemed pretty personality free and unengaged before I realised which way it was heading.

I hated HATED the little shoulder rub the male investigator gave the murderer after his request for his father. Unless it was a technique it IS SO ENTIRELY PART OF THE PROBLEM with patriarchy.
 
Enid Swamp said:
I watched it accidentally, as in I hadn’t heard of the case at all, had no idea where it was heading and then really wished I wasn’t watching anymore but was totally hooked in.

What a cowardly, small man. All he had to do was ask for a divorce. The banality of evil never more apt.

I thought he seemed pretty personality free and unengaged before I realised which way it was heading.

I hated HATED the little shoulder rub the male investigator gave the murderer after his request for his father. Unless it was a technique it IS SO ENTIRELY PART OF THE PROBLEM with patriarchy.
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It’s a technique they do to make the accused feel falsely secure. Everything they did in that interview was set up to get him to confess. They knew he was guilty before he even walked in the door.
 
I thought the police officers were superb. Especially when in so many of these documentaries e.g Making A Murderer, The Staircase they just come across as woefully inept. You could tell they were onto him straight away and the speed they got a confession out of him was impressive.
 
Freedomofspeech89 said:
It’s a technique they do to make the accused feel falsely secure. Everything they did in that interview was set up to get him to confess. They knew he was guilty before he even walked in the door.
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The thing that bugs me with the way the whole system works is that once they get a guilty plea that's it case closed. I still think there was a lot left unanswered when it came to the girlfriend... especially with evidence that she was near the house on the morning of the murders. But because he plead guilty she didn't need looking into at all.

(If anyone watched the confession tapes on Netflix, there's a lot of interesting cases where there was a guilty plea after hours of interrogation and food deprivation etc, even though they weren't actually guilty... defo worth a watch.

It's really interesting that if a cop thinks you're guilty then they'll do anything to get a confession.)

I mean in this case they 100% got the guy, no doubt about that. But there's so much left unanswered...
 
Enid Swamp said:
Then they’re good with me (I‘m sure they’re worried).

Why didn’t he have a lawyer - or not required at that stage?

His mother was in no position to forgive him. Monstrous also.
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Probably because of the thinking that 'only guilty people need a lawyer' and he was trying to play the clueless husband helping the police find his missing wife. If you watch the full confession on YouTube, once he confesses to his dad the dad suggests maybe getting a lawyer, and the cops are back in the room like a shot, because they want the confession from him right away before he can lawyer up!
 
Freedomofspeech89 said:
It’s a technique they do to make the accused feel falsely secure. Everything they did in that interview was set up to get him to confess. They knew he was guilty before he even walked in the door.
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Yes they are brilliant at what they do and how they do it
They make you believe that you are friends
On some of the footage on YouTube they ask him what kind of pizza he wanted!
It’s a tactic
If they go in guns blazing they are less likely to get a confession or any information that they need
Being calm and collective with him is paramount
Yes it makes for awfull viewing as I’m sure they wanted to throttle him as much as we all do but that’s why they are so good at what they do
Everything to even where they made him sit and the long stare pauses they gave him was all technique
 
Forfoxsake said:
I watched this on Saturday. I had never heard of the case. Although it wasn't mentioned, I guessed that Shannan worked in MLM. Interesting to read of the debt angle, that wasn't really mentioned at all, I wonder if the documentary makers left it out because they felt it gave him more of a motive? If so, I disagree because it shows the sheer level of premeditation needed.

To those who are familiar with the case or who have delved more into it, was there any evidence of Shannan being drugged or killed while she was sleeping? Just thinking about when her brother said no way would she not have put up a fight yet Chris Watts had no scratches or defensive marks on him.
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Yes she was drugged
 
Tui said:
Yeah CeCe was allergic to tree nuts and kiwi. MIL had been given a shopping list by Shanann to ensure she bought nut free but MIL ignored it and bought ice cream with nuts in it and proceeded to offer it to other children in front of CeCe. CeCe had a tantrum, as you’d expect a 3 year old who’s been told she’s the only one who can’t have ice cream. MIL told Shanann it was a good opportunity to teach CeCe she can’t have what she wants all the time.
Basically MIL sounds like a stone cold witch
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Not only this but SIL was there too and after hearing Shanann go off about the nut ice cream she apparently calmly got up, went into the kitchen and proceeded to pour out a bowl of nuts and put them on the counter. Shanann tackled her over it and she said ‘we always have nuts out in this house’ but it was obviously in spite.

Tui said:
I haven’t read any evidence of that? He gave her oxycodone prior to her going to Arizona but that would have been out of her system by then....
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Sorry yes that’s what I meant that he had drugged her before.
 
I’ve read/watched a hell of a lot about this case over the last two years. The Netflix documentary feels like a little snippet of the info out there.
The detectives who handled this case have suffered with ptsd.

www.denverpost.com

“This changed all of us”: A year after Watts murders shook Colorado, investigators on the case continue grappling with trauma

A year after the high-profile murders shocked Colorado and drew international attention to the small Weld County town, some of those who investigated the case are still grappling with its impact.
www.denverpost.com www.denverpost.com

a good place to read is true crime rocket science. Nick goes into a great amount of detail
 
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