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She will - and she will submit another application for Ioan to pay. Unfortunately, only if it is blatantly egregious will it be rejected. Alice knows the court will give a middle aged mother with custody and a history of being out of job market for an extended period quite a bit of leeway (regardless of how it’s obtained because it’s relent to the court - the fact the children are dependent on her will be key in the courts view). With Janininina’s help she has figured out how to work the system. Awful witch.
It's such a shame that he let her take over his life, she has trampled over and ruined almost every aspect of it. His relationship with his children, his career, his income and investments, even his relationship with his own family.
Yep, it's revealing that following the birth of Elsie, Mama Gruff was basically banned from having contact with her own and only grandchildren. Massive red flag right there.
Amazing!! Aw you must be chuffed to bits I’m the same with my son’s Dad. I’m remarried and when my son was in school we went to everything together, me, my husband and my son’s Dad. His school used to call us his ‘entourage’ Co-parenting successfully isn’t easy but if you work at it and most importantly always put your child(ren) first it can be the most rewarding relationship for them.
Yep, it's revealing that following the birth of Elsie, Mama Gruff was basically banned from having contact with her own and only grandchildren. Massive red flag right there.
She will - and she will submit another application for Ioan to pay. Unfortunately, only if it is blatantly egregious will it be rejected. Alice knows the court will give a middle aged mother with custody and a history of being out of job market for an extended period quite a bit of leeway (regardless of how it’s obtained because it’s relent to the court - the fact the children are dependent on her will be key in the courts view). With Janininina’s help she has figured out how to work the system. Awful witch.
So far the court has not asked Ioan to pay her anything, Ioan did it voluntary over the blocked account. There is almost nothing left in the blocked account now though. So it will be definitely harder. And her lawyers original request of over 100 k was egregious, especially if you consider what she spend it on (several useless stay requests, unsealing of a stipulation despite it not being even contested etc.)
The higher earner always pays a lot of the other parties lawyer fees, but its not true that the courts endlessly force them to pay, regardless if children are involved or not, if they believe a case is being overlitigate they wont allow this, unless its done voluntary.
It seems AFE always hated Mama Gruff so was just looking for any excuse to ban her from their home. I think with the second kid produced Alice was thinking "I've really got him by the short and curlies now" and laid down the law.
Not sure the step sister she never knew was a factor. That death was just a stick to beat her dad and stepmom with.
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JFC that house went for 2 million bucks. I realise they didn't get a full 2 million as they hadn't paid off the mortgage which is another shocker on its own. Didn't the prenup reveal that IG went into the marriage with $2.8 million to his name and Alice had less than 2 grand?
Amazing!! Aw you must be chuffed to bits I’m the same with my son’s Dad. I’m remarried and when my son was in school we went to everything together, me, my husband and my son’s Dad. His school used to call us his ‘entourage’ Co-parenting successfully isn’t easy but if you work at it and most importantly always put your child(ren) first it can be the most rewarding relationship for them.
Some of us do come together to make positive experiences for the children of blended families:
My ex and his first wife had a son: I'm their son's "other mother" and I consider him as my son
My ex and I had 2 daughters: first wife is their "other mother" and she cares for them like daughters
My ex's first wife then had a son with her 2nd husband: I'm also their son's "other mother" and he's my "other son"
There is an 18 year age gap between the oldest and the youngest yet though the children are now all adults (some with children of their own) and those terms of endearment are still used. They have often been mistaken for full siblings when together (both as children growing and still as adults).
Sadly, Alice... well, we can't expect much of her.
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I always sent the first wife a floral arrangement on her Mother's Day and her birthday (from all the children) so she would have something on her desk (I did stop when she remarried though, lol).
I always say "first wife" out of habit as we both have the same names.
I reckon Ioan is going to enter into some of the better jobs of his career as he is aging that way where he is getting much more handsome and into that “top 5%” kind of good looks. I also think his ability to market himself has improved with Bianca as his +1 and now with the truth of his abusive ex out in the open. Snagging a Netflix series would be a big win
So far the court has not asked Ioan to pay her anything, Ioan did it voluntary over the blocked account. There is almost nothing left in the blocked account now though. So it will be definitely harder. And her lawyers original request of over 100 k was egregious, especially if you consider what she spend it on (several useless stay requests, unsealing of a stipulation despite it not being even contested etc.)
The higher earner always pays a lot of the other parties lawyer fees, but its not true that the courts endlessly force them to pay, regardless if children are involved or not, if they believe a case is being overlitigate they wont allow this, unless its done voluntary.
Actually in California it’s more common for each spouse to pay for their own lawyer in a divorce. Ioan might have been court ordered to do it, but he has done so voluntarily. Generally the less well off spouse would have to ask the court for their legal fees to be paid.
My ex husband didn’t pay a penny of my court fees.
I say first and second husband because I find myself hilarious. Got Mr Mimsy a birthday card to “my favourite husband”.
My ex husband didn’t pay a penny of my court fees.
I say first and second husband because I find myself hilarious. Got Mr Mimsy a birthday card to “my favourite husband”.
JFC that house went for 2 million bucks. I realise they didn't get a full 2 million as they hadn't paid off the mortgage which is another shocker on its own. Didn't the prenup reveal that IG went into the marriage with $2.8 million to his name and Alice had less than 2 grand?
Actually in California it’s more common for each spouse to pay for their own lawyer in a divorce. Ioan might have been court ordered to do it, but he has done so voluntarily. Generally the less well off spouse would have to ask the court for their legal fees to be paid.
It seems like Ioan has a lot of guilt about leaving this abusive narc. He's quite traditional in a lot of ways. Again, I wouldn't have been so nice and would only have done it if court ordered to do so.
Eh, Ioan knew she went after people 20 years ago, he just didn't have a problem with it as he was Team Alice back then. It was all "Alice is defending herself against evil fans who want to kill her because they are so jealous" blah blah blah. He only began to see it differently went she started to go after him.*
*Just in case anyone thinks this is an IG rave thread. Also, I'm comfortable with my comment or I wouldn't say it and clearly Ioan has wised up over the years.
I don’t think he was comfortable though. Being an abuse victim can make it feel like you can’t stand up for yourself or anyone else. If you say something the abuser doesn’t like, you know you are setting them off and a lot of your energy is being used to placate and keep them calm. And with someone who coercively controls, they can have you convinced they’re right and you’re wrong, no matter what.
I don’t think he was comfortable though. Being an abuse victim can make it feel like you can’t stand up for yourself or anyone else. If you say something the abuser doesn’t like, you know you are setting them off and a lot of your energy is being used to placate and keep them calm. And with someone who coercively controls, they can have you convinced they’re right and you’re wrong, no matter what.
from what Alice said (I know, pinch of salt) they fought over this a lot before he wrote the letter. He had at least the morals to not go even further.
Still hilarious for someone who never paid a bill from the age of 25 to 39 (her age upon marriage). And yet she boasted about how well her career paid lol. Her true career was snaring rich men, the acting was a hobby that brought in some pin money.
I do wonder if Ioan found it flattering initially to be told that there were so many women jealous of Alice, as he was such an amazing catch - he is objectively good looking by the standards of normal mortals, but he strikes me as someone who has quite low self-confidence so it would have been a good ego-boost (until it turned out that he was trapped in a narc nightmare).
I just cannot understand why Alice has chosen to waste her life on revenge, jealousy and anger. She has alienated so many people, personally and professionally, and that may one day include her children if she's not careful. Her world is small already, and is only going to become smaller if she doesn't turn it around.
We lost mum a couple of days ago and I am heartbroken. But the thing that has been lovely has been so many cards and kind words from her friends and relations from all over the place. Mum was a true friend to so many people, and did so much to give back to her community through volunteering. She was always looking outwards-looking, fiercely independent, curious about the world and getting out in nature, and she raised us to be the same. I just cannot deal with people like Alice whose lives are consumed by petty grievance. Mum had one friend like that - always the MOST SICK, the MOST DOWNTRODDEN, always falling out with people and her family - she's low key furious that mum actually had something really wrong with her and died first. Horrible woman.
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I’m the same with my son’s Dad. I’m remarried and when my son was in school we went to everything together, me, my husband and my son’s Dad. His school used to call us his ‘entourage’ 
Co-parenting successfully isn’t easy but if you work at it and most importantly always put your child(ren) first it can be the most rewarding relationship for them.
