UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting

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queenamber said:
Isn't Eric Adams facing his own bribery and corruption charges? He needs to get off his high horse about "justice"

Federal charges now so death penalty is on the table. I don't support his actions at all but it's just heartbreaking that a once gifted 26 year old's life has effectively ended like this. I keep wondering why he didn't pursue politics if he wanted to make an impact without harming anyone. Not that politics is great these days 😩
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Problem is, and my man Luigi knows it, politics changes nothing. Rules and regulations changes nothing.

As an animal rights activist for 20 years, I can give you an example which is valid for all fields of humanity:
Animals gets treated badly. Public outcry, with luck a politician gets voted in, that makes a suggestion to protect animals. Laws are voted in. Democracy. So, then undercover footage, shows that the laws still are being broken, animals are still being tortured. With a lot of luck (and I mean a lot), you get another politician that cares, voted in. A new law is decided (after YEARS of lobbying): veterinarians should watch over the treatment of animals (example: offloading cows at a slaughter house). The undercover footage shows: even with veterinarians, animals still get tortured. They’re just watching, or maybe even electro-prodding the cows themselves. The video material showing violations of the law is given to police, it is pressed charges against all involved.
NOTHING happens, at best the actual lorry driver who was responsible get 20hours community work.
You know why? Cause slaughter houses are a product of capitalism. Capitalism and lobbies. Doesn’t matter if someone suffers or laws are broken, if someone earns money and has a big lobby behind them, they can do anything. Politics is a joke, in that sense, even law and justice. Cause money stands above the law.
 
Lars Guinard said:
I don't think Luigi is incompetent, corrupt or a sexual predator...probably not do well in American politics!

What he has done is wrong, until we hear Luigi's side, we don't know the full story but in any version, killing is wrong.

Going by what is released of the manifesto, Luigi was not planning to carry out mass terror plots, not blowing up embassies or recruiting members for the Aryan brotherhood!

Sending him to Supermax/death penalty just seems making an extreme example!

Eric Adams, Diddy's mate yeah, ah ok then! Big on Justice? Sure there were plenty of boys at Diddy parties, one even might be called Justice!
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I mean, he’s a trust fund kid (with a social media footprint that totally belies the idea he held views that would make this a “sincere” act of some kind of solidarity) from a tremendously wealthy family that murdered a man — an originally working class man, ironically — in cold blood and deprived children of a father based on what currently appears to be a combination of psychiatric frailty and a 14-year-old’s level of understanding of the structural issues with the American healthcare system. If he looked like Benny from Crossroads I seriously doubt most people would even have held onto awareness of his name.

Killing a defenceless symbolic target on the (putative) basis of a systemic grievance is literally to the letter a terroristic act and whether done coolly or in a fit of psychosis, makes him much more of a potential danger than various other scenarios would have done.
 
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queenamber said:
What a ridiculous and expensive circus this is turning into.

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It's like a scene from X-men, I keep wondering what magical powers that 150 lb guy must have.

I wonder what Nintendo is thinking of it all. Big tech like TikTok and reddit are censoring Luigi stuff so the Nintendo character is being posted a lot. That's one company that really protects its intellectual property and hates not having control of it's imagery.
 
Smca53 said:
Can you elaborate on this? That’s not been my view so I’m keen to hear why you say that
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I’ll try not to be too yappy and convoluted but what very loosely seems to be the case is that a) Mangione chose Thompson to target because he was the CEO of the insurance company with the highest claim denial rate. The short version of the problem there is that claim denial rate on its own is kind of a meaningless figure, there can be all manner of reasons for a particular percentage of insurance claims being denied. It’s like deciding a police force must be racist for arresting a higher percentage of Asian people than the national average without taking into account local demographics, or something. The kind of contextual background info that would give you good insight into the data is really opaque and hard to get hold of. From everything that’s been released so far it seems extremely doubtful Mangione had really deep-dived on this.

The other issue is that it’s just flat out stupid to imagine that Thompson was answerable to nobody, not only in the sense that he was obviously answerable to shareholders etc (though of course that is certainly true) but also, summed up in a line the rot with US healthcare is mostly down to a whole host of perverse and misaligned incentives, and insurance companies themselves are really hemmed in by layers and layers of these perverse incentives and government regs and indeed healthcare providers themselves.

The whole system is a problem, but if you’re going to assassinate someone emblematic of that problem to make a point, the CEO of an insurance company is a nonsensical choice. The orgs that own/run the actual hospitals have in the region of double the operating profit margin of health insurance companies. They routinely squeeze patients/insurers for hundreds or even thousands of dollars for things that were about 80 dollars at cost price.

Obviously there’s no shame in not having a PhD in this stuff, hardly anyone does, but if we’re being honest, what percentage of people who’ve nailed their colours to the Mangione mast have even the slightest whisper of a clue about why they even support him beyond some vague “capitalism bad, eat the rich lol” sound bite they wouldn’t be able to defend or even really explain if they were pressed on it by a sixth former? If you look around social media there are a lot of people who genuinely just see this is a kind of generic cry of revolt from the common man against what they see as a sort of Evil Healthcare Bezos. Luigi Mangione’s inheritance from a single one of his grandparents is about 3/4 of Brian Thompson’s entire net worth. The family owns healthcare facilities, golf courses, conservative radio stations… the list goes on. He was talking online months before the killing about how people like Thompson were not the problem and the system itself promotes the rot. The idea that he’s some maligned Harriet Tubman striking out against a behemoth is just nonsense.

People are entitled to their own view of course but how many realistically bothered to do even the slightest bit of research before they did something as significant ethically as throwing their support behind an unarmed man being shot in the back and dying in the street? I think being actually able to intellectually justify your support for someone’s violent death is kind of the least someone ought to be able to do if they’re going to jeer publicly about it. From where I’m standing, it just looks like a load of clapping seals mindlessly treating multiple lives (Mangione’s included) being destroyed for no reason at all like some kind of Netflix special.
 
éman said:
I’ll try not to be too yappy and convoluted but what very loosely seems to be the case is that a) Mangione chose Thompson to target because he was the CEO of the insurance company with the highest claim denial rate. The short version of the problem there is that claim denial rate on its own is kind of a meaningless figure, there can be all manner of reasons for a particular percentage of insurance claims being denied. It’s like deciding a police force must be racist for arresting a higher percentage of Asian people than the national average without taking into account local demographics, or something. The kind of contextual background info that would give you good insight into the data is really opaque and hard to get hold of. From everything that’s been released so far it seems extremely doubtful Mangione had really deep-dived on this.

The other issue is that it’s just flat out stupid to imagine that Thompson was answerable to nobody, not only in the sense that he was obviously answerable to shareholders etc (though of course that is certainly true) but also, summed up in a line the rot with US healthcare is mostly down to a whole host of perverse and misaligned incentives, and insurance companies themselves are really hemmed in by layers and layers of these perverse incentives and government regs and indeed healthcare providers themselves.

The whole system is a problem, but if you’re going to assassinate someone emblematic of that problem to make a point, the CEO of an insurance company is a nonsensical choice. The orgs that own/run the actual hospitals have in the region of double the operating profit margin of health insurance companies. They routinely squeeze patients/insurers for hundreds or even thousands of dollars for things that were about 80 dollars at cost price.

Obviously there’s no shame in not having a PhD in this stuff, hardly anyone does, but if we’re being honest, what percentage of people who’ve nailed their colours to the Mangione mast have even the slightest whisper of a clue about why they even support him beyond some vague “capitalism bad, eat the rich lol” sound bite they wouldn’t be able to defend or even really explain if they were pressed on it by a sixth former? If you look around social media there are a lot of people who genuinely just see this is a kind of generic cry of revolt from the common man against what they see as a sort of Evil Healthcare Bezos. Luigi Mangione’s inheritance from a single one of his grandparents is about 3/4 of Brian Thompson’s entire net worth. The family owns healthcare facilities, golf courses, conservative radio stations… the list goes on. He was talking online months before the killing about how people like Thompson were not the problem and the system itself promotes the rot. The idea that he’s some maligned Harriet Tubman striking out against a behemoth is just nonsense.

People are entitled to their own view of course but how many realistically bothered to do even the slightest bit of research before they did something as significant ethically as throwing their support behind an unarmed man being shot in the back and dying in the street? I think being actually able to intellectually justify your support for someone’s violent death is kind of the least someone ought to be able to do if they’re going to jeer publicly about it. From where I’m standing, it just looks like a load of clapping seals mindlessly treating multiple lives (Mangione’s included) being destroyed for no reason at all like some kind of Netflix special.
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Thank you (genuinely!) for this reasoned, and interesting, response. I think, for me, Mangione does seem to get the nuances of the healthcare system and who is / isn’t in control, etc. As you flagged yourself, he’s acknowledged that in the past. But the CEO is the face and figurehead of the company, and the statement is made with that being the target IMO. Some background character pulling strings elsewhere wouldn’t have had the same impact.

I think where your points are probably bang on is on public perception of the issues. However, I suspect we’d be hard pressed to find an American who hasn’t been directly negatively impacted by the insane healthcare system and / or knows someone or people who have been. I can’t really criticise anyone for viewing it in black and white terms, or not understanding the system inside out (like you say, few likely do). It affects their daily lives, if they’re pissed and getting behind a “duck you” to that system, I’m not judging them for not knowing it inside out and I don’t think they should be silenced until they do.

I think the above also feeds into why Mangione went for the CEO face / figurehead. Impact.

Just to pick up on the last point about family wealth, I reckon it’s been blown out of proportion by the media to sensationalise it. For one thing they don’t actually know what the family wealth is and have put a £70m difference in the alleged low / high end of the possible ranges? That screams clueless but wanting to sell headlines. I’ve no doubt there’s a lot of money, but query how much is or was available to him.

Apart from anything else, did he even have much of a relationship with his parents, as an adult? It took his parents 4.5 months to even report him missing to the police
 
Seen on twitter so no idea if it's accurate or not, but apparently a pizza shop in his home town in Baltimore has a saint Luigi poster up
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éman said:
Luigi Mangione’s inheritance from a single one of his grandparents is about 3/4 of Brian Thompson’s entire net worth.
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He's one grandchild out of 27. And no one has any clue if his grandparents are worth $300'000, $30 mill or $100 mill. There's been lots of guesswork on property "owned" but no one has any idea if they actually own it when it could all be leveraged up to the max in debt and worthless.

The CEOs income was about $10 million a year + perks. Luigi might come into money at some time in his life but it's not going to be anywhere in the same ballpark as the CEO.
 
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Yel said:
You really can't believe anyone on the internet (enough nonsense get's posted about tattle), but wonder if there's any truth in this
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i just saw this too! ngl, i did immediately notice (as i think most of the internet did) that he had a fresh fade and newly threaded brows in that photo op (because it wasn’t anything else). and, realistically, who could/would have done it and for what reasoning. like you say, i don’t know if i fully believe it but there is some evidence to what she’s saying.

i also just learnt that not only are he and diddy in the same prison, but their defence attorneys are married. wtf.
 
Smca53 said:
I think the husband represents both Luigi and Diddy, and the wife only represents Luigi, is that right? The husband was also on the Weinstein defence team I believe
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yeah, i didn’t word that well - i mean their separate defence attorneys are married. you’re right that it’s the husband (marc agnifilo) who has diddy, and the wife (karen agnifilo) with luigi, but marc has also now joined luigi’s defence team too.

just when you think this couldn’t get more of a circus 🤣
 
Are there not barbers in prison? Prisoners can also obtain barbers licenses and run salons AFAIK, why would this be a sign of protection and not Luigi getting himself a haircut before court like most people would 😂
 
Yel said:
You really can't believe anyone on the internet (enough nonsense get's posted about tattle), but wonder if there's any truth in this
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kev1974 said:
oops no ignore me sorry
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Luigi didn't like being caller 'Unabrower' 🤣

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Now, go after and charge the Domestic Terrorist (DT) moving into the Oval next month.

How many dead as the result of January 6? How many dead from the mismanagement of Covid?
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Do we know if Luigi's literal tongue in cheek has a meaning?
I have read all things from tooth pain to being open to the ladies and the men...but it could just be self soothing or Luigi knowing the best angles?!
 
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Wasn't he locked in his own cell? Away from the general prison population? Who could have given him a protection haircut? So I don't think this was the case.

Although to be fair, his crime is such that on the basis of that alone he's not likely to be targeted. More likely praised, the same as he is with the general population. Prisons are disproportionally filled with lower classes and minorities, who are both more likely to have suffered from insurance-related issues. Anyone with mums or children being denied any claim will be giving him cigs for life.
 
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