thewelshrunner & kellogs_ontherun #8 ALL IN running in the Buff; you’ll get a PB if you WANT IT enough

Kelly has been going all in on Amsterdam 26.2 training, how will the day go?

  • DNS - excuse is the usual illness or another a&e trip

  • DNS - nothing mentioned ever again

  • DNF - balls to the wall for 13mi at BQ pace and blows up

  • DNF - injury

  • By some unicorn miracle a BQ happens

  • Sub 4h

  • Just over 4h

  • 4:15

  • 4:30

  • 4:45

  • 5h

  • >5h


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Loads of dry robes at cross country, which makes sense as you may well be wet and muddy and women seem to run in basically a pair of pants (why?! It's the winter!). What races is Kelly doing where it's needed?!
I've seen quite a lot of parents in them at kids' football training etc, doesn't she take her oldest son to football?
 
She is an average club runner he is clearly faster but certainly not elite. I really don’t understand what they think they look like, the fact her teenager bakes and cooks meals shows how they should be at home doing exactly that not finding any excuse to be out the house. No one will remember them in 5 years time but the kids will remember them not being around.
 
Loads of dry robes at cross country, which makes sense as you may well be wet and muddy and women seem to run in basically a pair of pants (why?! It's the winter!). What races is Kelly doing where it's needed?!
There’s a lot of shit I don’t understand about xc, the tiny tiny hot pants and crop tops that the elite girls wear (I wore a club vest and capris last time I did it!) being one of them. The other being how the feck so many people push so hard they end up passing out a few 100ms from the finish line. It’s like a primal sprint takes over everyone. Terrifying!
 
I think, without wishing to sound a “snob” until VERY recently (maybe 5 or so years pre covid?) XC really was for a pretty elite field, hence people dressing like it’s a track meet. A lot of very good road and track runners swear by a good XC season to get yourself fit for spring races while there isn’t really a track season. Better indoor facilities have slightly changed that.
I see generally now kuch more mixed ability fields but the trade off there is that XC leagues are losing venues hand over fist as venues can’t cope with the field sizes, so the ground gets trashed, locals complain about parking etc etc.
We had an amazing venue which was a glorified fell race that relied on the goodwill of a farmer allowing access, when it got a field of 50 odd it was fine but with big groups came more people, issues with parking, people bringing family to watch with dogs that behaved badly and chased livestock, people who left a gate to a bloody bulls field open etc etc. an extreme example but obviously that farmer won’t put their income at risk so we can’t use that venue anymore. I know of several other leagues that struggle for venues, one of the leagues in the north west does all 5 fixtures in the same park as nowhere else will have them!
It’s something that I feel has been a victim of it’s own success in that sense…
 
I think, without wishing to sound a “snob” until VERY recently (maybe 5 or so years pre covid?) XC really was for a pretty elite field, hence people dressing like it’s a track meet. A lot of very good road and track runners swear by a good XC season to get yourself fit for spring races while there isn’t really a track season. Better indoor facilities have slightly changed that.
I see generally now kuch more mixed ability fields but the trade off there is that XC leagues are losing venues hand over fist as venues can’t cope with the field sizes, so the ground gets trashed, locals complain about parking etc etc.
We had an amazing venue which was a glorified fell race that relied on the goodwill of a farmer allowing access, when it got a field of 50 odd it was fine but with big groups came more people, issues with parking, people bringing family to watch with dogs that behaved badly and chased livestock, people who left a gate to a bloody bulls field open etc etc. an extreme example but obviously that farmer won’t put their income at risk so we can’t use that venue anymore. I know of several other leagues that struggle for venues, one of the leagues in the north west does all 5 fixtures in the same park as nowhere else will have them!
It’s something that I feel has been a victim of it’s own success in that sense…
Oh trust me, it still feels very elite down here! I finished dead last in one race (8k, came home in around 37 minutes - hobbled in with an injury) and 2nd last in the other one I did which was slightly shorter but just up and down the side of a hill. I think the male winner of that one came home quicker than me by about 10 minutes despite having run an extra lap...

I personally enjoy that us ladies don't have to run so far!

Would be good to see Tits take on a XC race, they certainly are humbling.
 
PMG shared her mileage for her previous marathons in her story. Average of 40 mile weeks for a sub 3 marathon. Kelly could take some notes??
 

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Oh trust me, it still feels very elite down here! I finished dead last in one race (8k, came home in around 37 minutes - hobbled in with an injury) and 2nd last in the other one I did which was slightly shorter but just up and down the side of a hill. I think the male winner of that one came home quicker than me by about 10 minutes despite having run an extra lap...

I personally enjoy that us ladies don't have to run so far!

Would be good to see Tits take on a XC race, they certainly are humbling.
I personally don’t hate that some leagues have a more elite field but it’s blasphemy to say that… not everything has to have the parkrun it’s for everything ethos…

And yes I love not running that far 😅😅😅 the feminism briefly but very aggressively leaves my body when races of equal length or even all running together is mentioned?! Has anyone seen how rough the mens races are, fuck dat.

PMG shared her mileage for her previous marathons in her story. Average of 40 mile weeks for a sub 3 marathon. Kelly could take some notes??
I think my London training had a peak of a 43 mile week. I BQd with ten minutes to spare. And I have a job…
 
I wonder what mileage Kelly is planning next week... I reckon she'll be straight back to high mileage and only one rest day a week from now. She's been for an aborted run tonight, that would have been her third consecutive day running. She did a 10 mile (ok slow) bike ride earlier filming Matt. It's half term, give it a bloody break! Who was looking after the kids, her 15 year old?
 
Just read some comments on Tits Strava, he doesn't know how he is going to get footage of Valencia for his vlog. That's a shame, I was really looking forward to watching that one 😬
Do we think he will try and keep up with Ben Parkes to get some footage from him? Obviously Kelly is not going to be there at the finish to film him, do we think he'll make her drop out to be his videographer?
 
Would be super interesting to know the average weekly mileage of all those who ran Amsterdam in her finish time bracket (say 4:00-4:05).

I would bet £100 that the average mileage for all those runners was no more than 35-40 miles/week, and that Kelly ran far more than anyone else.

That is seriously embarrassing for tits and his coaching business.
PMG shared her mileage for her previous marathons in her story. Average of 40 mile weeks for a sub 3 marathon. Kelly could take some notes??
 
Would be super interesting to know the average weekly mileage of all those who ran Amsterdam in her finish time bracket (say 4:00-4:05).

I would bet £100 that the average mileage for all those runners was no more than 35-40 miles/week, and that Kelly ran far more than anyone else.

That is seriously embarrassing for tits and his coaching business.
OOo I can actually answer this!! Strava did some analysis of this for like all the different big goals eg sub three, sub four, etc. For sub four the average mileage (men and women alike) was 32 miles a week

 
Would be super interesting to know the average weekly mileage of all those who ran Amsterdam in her finish time bracket (say 4:00-4:05).

I would bet £100 that the average mileage for all those runners was no more than 35-40 miles/week, and that Kelly ran far more than anyone else.

That is seriously embarrassing for tits and his coaching business.

That’s a really interesting article

I’ve only ever done the one marathon (Manchester 2022). I had done my longest run of 17 miles once , and a few 15 milers. Life got in the way- you know like job and kids. I had never done more than a 35 mile week .
I ran 4.05 pretty much bang on. A sub four was never my plan - with it being my first I just wanted to make it round. Although ironically I was on for a sub four but the last 6 miles floored me and I hit a wall.
If I’d done as much training and sessions and blocks as her - I’d have been gutted with that time 🤣🤣
I’m going to do Manchester agin next year for my second attempt at a marathon distance . Id love to do a sub 4 and hope that I will- but I haven’t got the time to train like she does . So if it happens it happens. If not then so be it !
 
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