The Traitors #2

Who do we want to win?

  • Meryl

    Votes: 3 0.8%

  • Aaron

    Votes: 181 50.6%

  • Wilfred

    Votes: 95 26.5%

  • Kieran

    Votes: 26 7.3%

  • Andrea

    Votes: 18 5.0%

  • Maddy

    Votes: 24 6.7%

  • Hannah

    Votes: 11 3.1%
  • Total voters
    358
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Wilf has played a blinder. Yeah he’s thrown people under the bus, he’s been snakey. It’s a game show. He has no loyalties to anyone. If it was me and there was 90k between me and a bunch of strangers id known for 2 weeks, I’d be snakey aswell so I could get the money. It’s a life changing amount of money! I hope he wins, & Kieron but I think wilf may end up winning on his own.
 
We assume that all three of the remaining faithful believe there is at least one Traitor left (Claudia has confirmed as much, but you never know...) so no one other than a traitor would vote to end the game until a Traitor has been removed (to vote to end the game now is a guaranteed Traitor victory).

At this point with the numbers, alliances and voting patterns as they are, I can't see beyond a Traitor victory. The only question to me is whether Wilf plays low-risk or tries to get Kieran removed in the process to double his victory spoils.

Having failed to stick to the (smart) plan of focusing on the men, the two Faithful women are now outnumbered, but I expect the round table discussion to lean on the fact the third Traitor is "likely" (for game/production reasons) to be male. It seems unlikely the Wilf + Hannah voting block will be broken until the last possible moment - they are both incredibly co-dependent on it. Meryl seems like she will tend to vote with a majority if she thinks it saves herself (see tonight's bit about forcing a pair on Maddy) and this is the strongest, most obvious alliance remaining. That means there is likely to be a majority vote in Wilf's favour which gives him cart blanche to target Aaron, then Kieran (in either order) in order to get him to a winning position. He should realise that trying to target votes to Hannah or Meryl will be a false economy as it won't give the Faithful the necessary Traitor kill they need to see before they will end the game, and the more votes that take place, the more he is at risk. He also won't risk turning on Hannah at this stage, as if it backfires that is probably a strong enough signal to convince even Hannah and Meryl that he's a Traitor.

For Wilf, removing Aaron to even the votes between Faithful and Traitors is only viable if it is clear that Hannah and Meryl will comply and Kieran has not spent the day raising suspicion about Wilf. If he is not sure on these two points, Wilf should instead get his group focused on Kieran to quickly provide the requisite third traitor, and then they will probably end the game with him the only Traitor remaining.

Kieran must realise that he and Aaron will be under the most scrutiny. He can probably convince Aaron to vote his way, but Meryl is too much of a loose cannon at the best of times and in all likelihood will be aligned to Wilf/Hannah at the round table. Kieran also knows Wilf has no loyalty. However with 5 he can't target Wilf as he will fail to get a majority and instead will put him squarely on the pointy end of a Wilf/Hannah/Meryl banishment trident. His best bet to win is to get it down to 4 players, most likely by joining or allowing a gang-up on Aaron. He then has to get Wilf to agree to target Meryl, which takes the traitors to a majority where they can end the game and share the money. If Wilf instead turns on Kieran at this point (i.e. Wilf plays "greedy" not "smart"), Kieran has little chance to convince Hannah and Meryl to vote with him. At best he may convince Meryl to make it 2 (W+H) v 2 (K + M) - a stalemate where all players know there is a Traitor left so there is no majority vote to end the game, but also no majority vote on who that Traitor is. I wonder how the game's rules would work that one out.

Kieran needs to focus on re-aligning with Wilf to get the Aaron, then Meryl votes agreed. This gets the game to 3 players with 2 traitors which should seal the deal for him and Wilf to share the money. Wilf should realise that if he can convince Hannah to vote this way (and he probably can) this is the lowest-risk path to his victory. But will he be greedy and take a risk?

Hannah today showed she is too blind to Wilf's traitorous ways to be dissuaded from her alliance with him - even the fact that he relies on her alliance should be a red flag as no true Faithful would ever be so 100% trusting! (from her perspective, the only reason Wilf can know he can be "safe" with her is because he knows for certain she is Faithful - and there's only one way he can know that for sure!).

If Aaron and Meryl are smart they should realise they aren't the ones leading the discussion, and focus on who is (Wilf / Hannah and Kieran) and focus on Wilf as the common denominator. Amongst the confusion even just two votes being aligned might be enough to banish a player (especially if Wilf and Hannah target Kieran, and Meryl goes for Aaron - then its a tie). But I reckon it's too late for these two players to coordinate in a way that leads to a Faithful victory.
 
dcs34 said:
We assume that all three of the remaining faithful believe there is at least one Traitor left (Claudia has confirmed as much, but you never know...) so no one other than a traitor would vote to end the game until a Traitor has been removed (to vote to end the game now is a guaranteed Traitor victory).

At this point with the numbers, alliances and voting patterns as they are, I can't see beyond a Traitor victory. The only question to me is whether Wilf plays low-risk or tries to get Kieran removed in the process to double his victory spoils.

Having failed to stick to the (smart) plan of focusing on the men, the two Faithful women are now outnumbered, but I expect the round table discussion to lean on the fact the third Traitor is "likely" (for game/production reasons) to be male. It seems unlikely the Wilf + Hannah voting block will be broken until the last possible moment - they are both incredibly co-dependent on it. Meryl seems like she will tend to vote with a majority if she thinks it saves herself (see tonight's bit about forcing a pair on Maddy) and this is the strongest, most obvious alliance remaining. That means there is likely to be a majority vote in Wilf's favour which gives him cart blanche to target Aaron, then Kieran (in either order) in order to get him to a winning position. He should realise that trying to target votes to Hannah or Meryl will be a false economy as it won't give the Faithful the necessary Traitor kill they need to see before they will end the game, and the more votes that take place, the more he is at risk. He also won't risk turning on Hannah at this stage, as if it backfires that is probably a strong enough signal to convince even Hannah and Meryl that he's a Traitor.

For Wilf, removing Aaron to even the votes between Faithful and Traitors is only viable if it is clear that Hannah and Meryl will comply and Kieran has not spent the day raising suspicion about Wilf. If he is not sure on these two points, Wilf should instead get his group focused on Kieran to quickly provide the requisite third traitor, and then they will probably end the game with him the only Traitor remaining.

Kieran must realise that he and Aaron will be under the most scrutiny. He can probably convince Aaron to vote his way, but Meryl is too much of a loose cannon at the best of times and in all likelihood will be aligned to Wilf/Hannah at the round table. Kieran also knows Wilf has no loyalty. However with 5 he can't target Wilf as he will fail to get a majority and instead will put him squarely on the pointy end of a Wilf/Hannah/Meryl banishment trident. His best bet to win is to get it down to 4 players, most likely by joining or allowing a gang-up on Aaron. He then has to get Wilf to agree to target Meryl, which takes the traitors to a majority where they can end the game and share the money. If Wilf instead turns on Kieran at this point (i.e. Wilf plays "greedy" not "smart"), Kieran has little chance to convince Hannah and Meryl to vote with him. At best he may convince Meryl to make it 2 (W+H) v 2 (K + M) - a stalemate where all players know there is a Traitor left so there is no majority vote to end the game, but also no majority vote on who that Traitor is. I wonder how the game's rules would work that one out.

Kieran needs to focus on re-aligning with Wilf to get the Aaron, then Meryl votes agreed. This gets the game to 3 players with 2 traitors which should seal the deal for him and Wilf to share the money. Wilf should realise that if he can convince Hannah to vote this way (and he probably can) this is the lowest-risk path to his victory. But will he be greedy and take a risk?

Hannah today showed she is too blind to Wilf's traitorous ways to be dissuaded from her alliance with him - even the fact that he relies on her alliance should be a red flag as no true Faithful would ever be so 100% trusting! (from her perspective, the only reason Wilf can know he can be "safe" with her is because he knows for certain she is Faithful - and there's only one way he can know that for sure!).

If Aaron and Meryl are smart they should realise they aren't the ones leading the discussion, and focus on who is (Wilf / Hannah and Kieran) and focus on Wilf as the common denominator. Amongst the confusion even just two votes being aligned might be enough to banish a player (especially if Wilf and Hannah target Kieran, and Meryl goes for Aaron - then its a tie). But I reckon it's too late for these two players to coordinate in a way that leads to a Faithful victory.
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And this is why I’m too stupid to play this game! You lost me at the second paragraph!
 
Shimmering said:
After tonight I'm just like fuck the faithful, honestly. Idiots.

They KNEW the third traitor was a man, yet even after discussing it as a group they vote out Maddie.

Grow some brain cells. Please.

Traitor victory all the way.
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I know. They all spoke between their 2 cliques and one said wilf and the other Aaron, then the round table changes it all. I love this show 😂
 
Shimmering said:
They have the critical thinking skills of a daily mail comments section.
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I’d say they’re worse, at least Daily Mail readers appear to have more than one thought a day, I don’t think Meryl has even had that yet, her only idea so far was its Fay and Aaron and 10 seconds later it’s revealed Fays dead. Her brain has taken 2 weeks to get one single idea that was shot down immediately.

RJF said:
Hannah and Meryl remind me of those women who end up in hysterical tears on This Morning talking about how they sent £10,000 to an online “boyfriend” they had never met who swiftly did a bunk when the bank transaction went though.
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In some ways that is kinda what is going to happen to them when Wilf reveals he’s not only taking the money but that he’s engaged.
 
Will to win, he deserves it after making it to the end. All he needs to do is get Hannah and meryl plus him to vote out kieren, simple.

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Marmite.Crumpets said:
That's how I think it's going to play out as well.
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80K between 4 not worth it, get rid of kieren and then the greed will set in and bye bye aaron. Then 3 of them will end game and willfy boy takes the lot.
 
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I quite liked Maddy, a shame she didn't have the powers of persuasion to carry the round table vote despite winning a couple of others over earlier vs. Wilf.

I really hope he doesn't win; apart from being a total 🐍 he's also been incredibly fake in his OTT reactions to events. And those godawful yellow shorts should see him banished from any sort of post-show media career. 🤮

Of those left, I have no time for Meryl or Hannah because of their gormless, unsubstantiated 'thought processes' and not much more respect for the others who followed their lead in voting off a woman when they'd all agreed the last/next traitor was a man. Pick as Figshit!! 😚
 
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