Where is there unhappiness in Wales over having a Prince? Wales is technically part of the Kingdom of England within the Kingdom of Great Britain and NI, if it didn't have a Prince technically then it would have no identity of its own in the royal family. The Monarch is
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Boring Monday
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Titles have a habit of falling down the line … when the present Dukes of Kent and Gloucester pass away, the titles will be inherited by their heirs but not have the ‘royal duke’ status … they’ll just be your common or garden, bog standard peerages (
) same as all the other non-Royal peerages (Westminster, Devonshire et al) there are. The Prince of Wales title isn’t automatic and is in the gift of the Monarch and it may well be that it skips William (can’t see it myself) but I’d say at some point George will be Prince of Wales, Charlotte will be Princess Royal and Louis Duke of York. I genuinely can’t see them tinkering too much with the twin pillars of hereditary and tradition that do much of the heavy lifting for holding up the monarchy.
Mark81
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It's pretty well documented that a large portion of Wales don't want an unelected prince that has very little to do with them, this even goes back to when Charles got the title.
The same as a sector of Scotland aren't keen for another Duke of Edinburgh.
There certainly won't be an elaborate investiture like Charles had.
LoopyLou47
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I think its more likely the Duke of York title will be rested, if anything. Who would want that? It would be an apt legacy for that twit to have destroyed a title that dates back to the Plantaganets! I don't see why the Princess of Wales title would be rested. I though it always went to the first born son. If Edward viii didn't kill it, I doubt Charles and Di would!
If, or most likely when William is invested as Prince of Wales then Kate will be HRH Princess of Wales … but it’s neither immediate nor automatic.
as the title of Duke of Cornwall automatically slides down to William when Charles becomes King, Kate also becomes Duchess of Cornwall as well
It’s just the name of a place, but Duchess of Cambridge sounds so much better, I don’t know why. Sorry to anyone from Cornwall
Libbylulu
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I just watched it from curiosity as I’m not sure what to make of the P William affair rumours. It’s clear Denise is desperate to say something, but couldn’t. Although I’m not sure I’d have picked up on this had I not been following this thread. She was very worked up about the way Meghan’s treated by the royals and press.
Eeyore147
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I’d take anything Denise Welch says with a huge pinch of salt. She loves nothing more than causing a stir.
Great_Kate
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Is this an old format? Because from what I see the RF isn’t treating H&M AT ALL. They get officially invited to big milestone events. No word about if they are invited to smaller private family stuff. Apart from that we have absolutely no signs of them having contact at all (apart from Eugenie) but five(that I recall) short moments (2x Character, 2x HMTQ, 1x Wiliam). The press is a different ball game but the family hasn’t said much about it all apart from elusive and wage things. No digs, no criticism, no talking about their own feelings (anger, hurt, disappointment, sadness…). I am sorry but I most definitely think at this point H&M need to take a hard look at themselves. Because for the last 2,5 years it’s them and only them that moan and complain. I get that there are unresolved problems. Do we need to have front row seats though? And at what point are you just as bad as the others allegedly are? Since when do we think an eye for an eye is the better response again? H&M have lost every bit of moral high ground they might have had at one point.
Em_gardener
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I think there are loads of things that the royal family could be criticised for (environmental hypocrisy being the big one for me) but when it comes to Harry and Meghan I really can't see that they've done much wrong. Meghan seems like a grade a narcissist and she's been caught out in loads of lies at this point. Who would honestly want her in their extended family? The more we see/hear from her the more unlikeable and unsympathetic she becomes and the more lies are exposed.
Great_Kate
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I am sure no party is without fault in this trainwreck. I might not believe H&M at this point, but the RF is a pretty cold dysfunctional family with a weird dynamic (understandably). I am sure it was hard and it’s fair to say you hate it and won’t live like that. But from what I see H&M rely on old stuff, so whatever went down has stopped. No wonder they get frozen out now. I wouldn’t want to talk to them either.
Em_gardener
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I get that marrying into the RF isn't marrying into your average family and I can well believe that they're cold and overly formal but I don't think there's anything they could have done that would have satisfied Meghan. She's determined to be a victim who bravely rose above adversity. Her criticisms against them are just clutching at straws at this stage. The fire in Archie's room story was totally overblown and now she's basically threatening them with her diary. I think it would be great entertainment for us if she went ahead and released it but it's a crappy thing to do really. It's totally fair for her to say she doesn't want to work within the RF and it's not for her but she's trying to build her career off complaining about them now and I don't think she's been wronged by them really.
Yes well Welsh Nationalists by definition don't even want to be part of the UK. Remove the Prince of Wales position and Wales just becomes part of the Kingdom of England within the UK of GB and NI
Boring Monday
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I‘v always bought it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. The RF have a history of excluding ’incomers’ … and that’s before you get to the men in grey suits who actually run the whole shebang and keep it firmly rooted in Their comfort zone. They pay lip service to ‘modernising’ but run a marathon at a mile a minute if looks like it’s actually going to happen. I think Harry has always wanted out to some degree and and her treatment, publically and privately, was the catalyst (let’s face it, I’ve never known someone being told to think twice about the person they want to marry ending well and with a hearty thanks, who ever it is doing the warning).
now they’ve left, then don’t give them any attention … as of now there are five (5) separate articles and opinion pieces in the side bar of shame. Don’t give them the publicity (for clicks), don’t dissect everything they say. It’s actually fairly easy to ignore them and not pay them any mind
Couchcollie
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I often wondered if the constant negative Harry and Meghan press coverage of late was to keep that firmly in the minds of everyone if the queen goes which, let’s face it, could really be anytime soon. I’m not a Harry and Meghan fan but the RF have form I’m sure for briefing the press.
& would Denise Welch really be in the know about anything? She’s on Loose Women every few weeks and most famous for being in Corrie a few decades ago and Waterloo Road about 15 years ago. She’s just got her info off Twitter, there’s no royal source leaking to her.
LoopyLou47
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This. I'm surprised families don't realise thus More often. Harry was a grown man, and his marriage was his mistake to make, if it indeed does turn out to be a mistake. We don't know. The Royals need to realise they aren't a catch. Most of Harry's and Williams girlriends sensibly ran a mile rather than get involved with them. Maybe if they had been more welcoming Harry wouldn't have been so desperate to marry the first person who agreed to marry him. Wiliam has married someone who is absolutely willing to toe the line. It will be difficult to find many women I would have thought who would be willing to do what Kate does when the same type of woman could just marry a hedge funder and live an easy life without all the additional crap involved, and being married to an entire family, including some quite shady characters and overinvested courtiers being sniffy because they see you as not worthy enough to marry into Royalty. They have a history of being absolutely awful to outsiders. It's not as if Meghan is the only one who has had issues and complained loudly about them in the press. Prince Philip was treated appallingly, as were Fergie and Diana, the latter two said more or less what Meghan said in her Oprah interview. Its only in her recent interview that she's doubled down with nonsense.
I don’t think she had any great secrets but the affair with Rose and Prince of Pegging are both things she couldn’t get away with saying.
Along with saying Prince Andrew groomed young girls. I can’t remember who the host was now but they had to clarify that Prince Andrew denied all allegations.
Boring Monday
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Most of the people who discuss anything about the RF really aren’t in the know from Denise Welch through Judi James to Lady Colin Campbell and anyone else who publishes their views in hours of time on YouTube or acres of newsprint.
still I guess it helps keep their heating on.
Mark81
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If there was an affair and there was firm proof the press would run with it. It more sounds like rumours and no evidence. Maybe something happened but I don't see it being a long term Charles and camilla situation if it did.
The RF probably have expert advice and are told the best way to handle narcissists is to say nothing, ignore them and let them hang themselves. Which seems to be starting to pay off.
I think the RF has learnt a lot since Diana. They didn't rush William and Kate, and meghan was welcomed in more than anyone before her. She had a public engagement with the Queen before she even married Harry, that hadn't happened before. There is probably still issues, but I don't think they are still the family portrayed in the crown.
The RF probably have expert advice and are told the best way to handle narcissists is to say nothing, ignore them and let them hang themselves. Which seems to be starting to pay off.
I think the RF has learnt a lot since Diana. They didn't rush William and Kate, and meghan was welcomed in more than anyone before her. She had a public engagement with the Queen before she even married Harry, that hadn't happened before. There is probably still issues, but I don't think they are still the family portrayed in the crown.
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