Taylor Swift #39 Five stages of capitalism

Will the set list change for the next leg of the tour?

  • Yes, to include a TTPD set and remove nothing

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • Yes, to include a TTPD set and remove something

    Votes: 72 43.6%

  • No, it will be the exact same

    Votes: 63 38.2%

  • Something else (post what you think)

    Votes: 7 4.2%
  • Total voters
    165
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Recap: Discussion of five playlists based on the five stages of grief.

Two weeks until the new album. Five weeks until Europe Eras kicks off.

Current tour attendance register as of 5th April:

Paris May 12
gossipgal21

Lisbon May 26
atomic

Edinburgh June 7
Smudge126
Fifah1907
g321
BeautifulTrauma

Edinburgh June 8
ls240898
Caffeine Fiend
Em28_
maxxxxx
MissP

Edinburgh June 9
Caffeine Fiend
EnoughAlready
Roarr

Liverpool June 13
ls240898
Rfl2018
Ladybird90
slugella

Liverpool June 14
Tiger Tat
Jen141230

Liverpool June 15
Folkevermore
Plinkplonk
knivesnflowers

Cardiff June 18
ishant
ChilliBean
Nines
sercombe
MissP

London June 21
JLXRD
Jomblewomble
Tellmewhy
grannypants
sercombe
wordzalad

London June 22
Honkytonkcat
GoalsAF

London June 23
LittlePea
ScottsTots04

Dublin June 28
Shutuplori
Bellbells16
Tadpole

Dublin June 29
Tiggerhappy

Amsterdam July 5
rosecattt

Warsaw August 1
ishant

Vienna August 10
rosecattt

London August 15
Honkytonkcat
Taffygirl77

London August 16
JLXRD
ls240898
Polkadot123
Lilykins
MissP

London August 17
Folkevermore
Jomblewomble
Tellmewhy
Foolishone
Em28_
Plinkplonk
Yupyupyup

London August 19
odetotheseaweed
Don't Drink the Kool Aid
Dontwanttokeepsecrets
emerald
Trixxx

London August 20
Ladybird90
Lansam
HotDawg
 
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Thanks for new thread Em! I voted “something else” as I don’t think she’ll go straight into adding a set of something so new! (Not that anything would stop Missy if she wants to do something!) She’s all about gaging things though and it might not be enough time to know the proper reaction to it in a few weeks?! (from the release date to tour) So my guess is she’ll start adding a song from Poets as one of the surprise songs each night, and see what the physical reaction to it is with the crowds!
 
EnoughAlready said:
Thanks for new thread Em! I voted “something else” as I don’t think she’ll go straight into adding a set of something so new! (Not that anything would stop Missy if she wants to do something!) She’s all about gaging things though and it might not be enough time to know the proper reaction to it in a few weeks?! (from the release date to tour) So my guess is she’ll start adding a song from Poets as one of the surprise songs each night, and see what the physical reaction to it is with the crowds!
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This is also what I think she’ll do!
 
Don’t get me wrong I love her work as much as the next person but lately it feels like you could watch her rob a bank and then have her say “oh I didn’t do that” and everyone just go “oh yeah she would never rob a bank”

(I don’t know if that makes any sense to anyone else or maybe I’m just crazy)
 
Personally not getting great vibes from these playlists. At the end of the day it’s mostly just a streaming boost for her because they’re all her own songs but they don’t really tell us anything about the album. They’re not songs from other artists that influenced her when she was writing the album, they’re not new songs, and it seems like she’s only responding to fan theories so it’s not as if the album content is related to these playlists anyway. Just seems like a cheap way to fan the flames of speculation and hate directed at Joe.
 
12346 said:
I wonder if anyone ever gets hesitant to date her because of how she appears to shade the exs afterwards
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Pre Joe breakup I'd have said no, cause like she was much younger so you could justify it saying like well she hasn't matured yet but she'll learn, some of these men truly did wrong by her so they kinda had it coming. But now... Like if she can act like this about the man she spent the better part of 6 years with, and rewrite history and keep mum when people abuse him online... I am sure some men would pause before jumping in. Unless they are attention seekers. Ahem.

She's obviously brilliant and smart and funny and gorgeous. And perhaps Joe really did something despicable. But you do have to wonder about how she's going about things with the fanning of the flames but also not actually saying anything.

It makes me wonder if really all Joe did was not want to marry her and break up with her.

Because in previous breakups it's always been very clear what the guy did, she's been very vocal about it one way or another.

Joe Jonas - broke up in a 27 seconds phone call
John M - be a scumbag
Taylor L - nothing she admitted to doing the heartbreaking
Jake G - pulled away, blamed the age gap, really just wasn't that into her probably
Harry S - was a star that kinda wanted to date around, play it hor and cold, and be pretentious and adored
Calvin - was petty (didn't know we were keeping count) and apparently forgettable (?)
Tom H - nothing but believe her when she was just using him as a getaway car
Joe -... Um... Not want to marry her?

Maybe TTPD will enlighten us.
 
The Swifties hating on Joe are seemingly missing the part where she admits she did all this AFTER the theory circulated. She’s doing it cos she’s like the theory… that’s a bit sick honestly. Cut the man a break why does she have to make it about grief (obvi about a relationship) then put Lover on the delusional playlist. THE ONLY ONE IN DENIAL IS YOU
 

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The playlists & rewriting history is kinda giving me the ick.
Big bad Joe, got it. (y)

You're happier than ever before with a guy who's interview in 2019 had to be edited bc his dick was out the entire time.



And Travvy at 45:00, if you don't like food out of the US please don't come to Europe, we wouldn't want you to go hungry here.
 
I've had mixed vibes from sweet nothing since the album came out. When she sings nothing she sounds kinda sad. The one thing that made me think my thoughts were misplaced is the fact that they apparently wrote it together.

I get the delusional/denial aspect too. There's something about songs like Cornelia street, paper rings and lover that made me very concerned for her back when I first heard them. I dunno why but they held a different sort of desperation than other love songs, maybe because we're all so familiar with her failed relationships. To me it was like this was one of the most famous women in the world, very much putting herself out there and wearing her heart on her sleeve. Yes, it's great to be in love but she seemed to put him on a pedestal when in reality nobody is that perfect, or perfect for you. So my initial response to some of those songs was "shit... I hope for her sake they never break up". I was also conscious of the fact that I've been with my husband for a loooong time and maybe I'm jaded, lol. Maybe I would have said the same things in the honeymoon period. I do look back at times and wonder "what were you thinking?". It's not that I regret marrying him, far from it, but it's a big leap saying "this is my forever person" and I don't remember having any doubts even before the wedding.

I think the crux of my concern centered around the thing that was so very obvious. They were so different. I'm the complete opposite of my hubby, personality wise, so I get how it can work, but that's not what I mean. They grew up on different sides of the world, she has more money than most of us could ever dream of, she is massively famous and he's not keen on public attention, she was so open to telling the world through song about how amazing he is and he said nothing about her. As much as she said they were keeping their relationship normal, in reality there is nothing normal about her life. I get why she wanted him but I really don't know what HE was thinking in that that life seemed to be the opposite of what he wanted.

In many ways Travis being a fame whore is the most sensible part of their relationship. I'm very much in two minds about him actually. Yes, he's an oaf and his behaviour at the Superbowl and after was awful, and his fashion sense is bizarre, but he does seem nice, albeit at times very dim, in interviews and on his podcast.

Taylor is definitely in the minority of v famous women in that she's 34 and hasn't had a split from her baby daddy or a divorce yet. I get that the Joe relationship is as good as, but we're so used to celebs moving at lightning speed when it comes to relationships.
 
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Kinda hate how everyone on Twitter is trying to rewrite all the love songs as Joe being this awful person because of these playlists when everyone loved him when they were together
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And this is exactly why I hate that she's done this. She knows what's she's doing, it's just disappointing.
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ls240898 said:
The Swifties hating on Joe are seemingly missing the part where she admits she did all this AFTER the theory circulated. She’s doing it cos she’s like the theory… that’s a bit sick honestly. Cut the man a break why does she have to make it about grief (obvi about a relationship) then put Lover on the delusional playlist. THE ONLY ONE IN DENIAL IS YOU
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Cause she cannot pass up the opportunity to play victim. Honestly, I would have preferred her silence to this.
 
I was scared to check this thread this morning because I know so many people are pro-Joe and I’m just not. I’ve had the impression for a while he strung her along and wouldn’t commit. I’ve also always said lavender haze was her in denial. Agreeing with what he said he wanted just to keep him but in the end realising she wants marriage. We get to an age where we realise the fairytale doesn’t exist and a lot of people settle for bare minimum because of that but then realise there is an in between.
 
12346 said:
Kinda hate how everyone on Twitter is trying to rewrite all the love songs as Joe being this awful person because of these playlists when everyone loved him when they were together
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Wait until her and Travis break up.

”he used her for his podcast“ “he didn’t really know her songs” and “he went out with her so he’d get attention from the jock and cheerleader stereotype.”
 
Based on nothing because I don’t know the man and he could have been a secret evil bastard, I still am not convinced anything majorly terrible happened other than a sad realisation they were not fully suited but did love each other very much. And Taylor particularly probably went all in and tried to convince herself this was the one. It’s painful and sad but it’s not her fault she didn’t want to change her life forever for him (if that was the case I’m just speculating) and it’s not his fault necessarily he didn’t want to get married. I think sometimes it’s sadder when something ends like this rather than a big dramatic event.

as I say I could be totally wrong and maybe he was a massive dick. But I don’t think anything is that simple / black and white and it may have been nobody’s fault, but still very painful and sad to go through.

Also I think someone mentioned they feel she still isn’t over Joe, it wouldn’t surprise me in terms of how intense a broken heart can be and I feel Taylor definitely feels things intensely. The one massive heartbreak I had took me years and years to fully get over even after I was with my husband. Not that I was still pining after the person necessarily but I just mean dealing with the after effects of the hurt and processing it. It took a long time.

looking forward to undoubtedly reliving it all with TTPD, the girl writes about loss and makes me go back in time 10 years lollll.

sorry for this probably nonsensical and entirely speculative ramble! Forever a tortured clown x
 
People are so weirdly reading into this on Twitter . She directly says with the anger playlist ‘I wrote these songs when I was angry’ she’s not saying she wrote all the songs in the denial playlist when she was in denial, but they are all love songs she wrote about people who it didn’t work out with. Or about people being in love/forgiving (eg Betty). They are not even all Joe songs.

When you are in denial about a relationship breakdown, you romanticise all the good times as why you can’t leave. The songs are proof of the good times. The songs are like looking back at picture/memories and being like ‘but we were so happy, it can’t be over’. Denial/delusion.

People on Twitter like ‘omg she’s rewriting the whole lore/past’ clearly don’t have a single thought in their brains and have to take what she says and turn it into the most simplistic form. Untouchable is on there ffs… she didn’t even write untouchable 😅
 
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