Secret Celebrity Gossip #182

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My husband has second cousins who got married. Their first baby died within a year and by then she was already pregnant with a second, who is severely disabled. He fucked off when the surviving baby was about 2 and has refused to support them. I would never marry even a distant relative. They are white British as well. Just to add.
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Also Grace Dent is not middle class. I have read her book.
 
Lovegossip said:
Talking of closely related relationships, I have a relative that has 2 kids with brothers and also had a relationship with her adopted brothers real brother
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Quoting myself to add more detail

This relative is known for using men for what she can get out of them, the brothers that she had the kids with now don't speak to each other and husband number 2 just happened to be fairly rich with a summer residence in Spain and also unlikely to live long due to alcoholism, she managed to isolate his kids towards the end so they couldn't see him and after he died, moved to Spain permanently and found another well off guy to hook up with in the same complex 🤷‍♀️
 
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Ainsley again......
 
panda_eyes said:
This was what Catherine of Aragon did - not sure it would have ever been illegal in the UK?
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Catherine and Henry VIII had to have a special dispensation from the Pope, and she had to swear that her marriage to Arthur hadn't been consummated. Henry later claimed it had to try to get the marriage annulled in order to marry Anne Boleyn.

A man generally couldn't marry his late wife's sister until 1907, and a woman generally couldn't marry her dead husband's brother until 1921. There were some exceptions.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Deceased Wife's Sister's Marriage Act 1907 - Wikipedia

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It's definitely legal now. Still a bit odd, though!
 
mrshlc123 said:
My Grandmother's mum passed away when she was 7 and her Dad married his late wife's sister so she went from being my Gran's Aunt to being her Step mother.
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It used to be very common at one time.

Many women died in childbirth or shortly after, and a widower with a number of small children would need someone to look after them very quickly, especially if there was an infant. Having a woman and man living in the same house when they weren't married just wasn't acceptable.

Post-WW1 there were a lot of unmarried women, and marrying your dec'd sister's widower meant that you both knew each other (and the children) and that there would likely be a strong affection between the woman and her sister's offspring.


Many years ago (centuries) it used to be forbidden that a man married his brother's wife/ woman married her husband's brother because it was contrary to Biblical teaching* - this was what Henry VIII used as his get-out clause to get rid of Katherine of Aragon


*Though in other parts of the Bible, a man was expected to marry his brother's* widow and their first son would be regarded as his brother's son to carry on his brother's line.

*Or other close relative - in the Book of Ruth, Ruth married Boaz, who wasn't her late husband's brother, but was a relation. The child she bore, Obed, was given to her mother-in-law , Naomi, as her replacement son (something I've never been comfortable with TBH). Obed was an ancestor of Jesus, and Ruth (a Gentile) was one of the four woman mentioned in his genealogy. Of the others was Mary, the others were Rahab (a prostitute) and Tamar (who seduced her father-in-law when he wouldn't fulfil his obligations to her as the widow of two of his sons, by marrying her again to the third.
 
Ravenstown said:
No, in the UK? Historically it was very, very common. In many families including the relatively recent royal family.
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Although I've just seen your wiki link. I don't know then as I've seen it a lot in records but they could've been post 1907.
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I didn’t want to make the post too long but like I said there were exceptions.

Dispensation from the Pope pre Reformation

Marriages performed abroad were generally allowed to stand.

It was mostly governed by Church courts post Reformation and if nobody objected it was often left alone. One of Jane Austen's brothers married his late wife's sister.

Come to me for more boring history lessons 😂
 
Cousin marriage is common in many parts of the world and common in Pakistani communities in the UK. It's responsible for many genetic conditions as any recessive issues on one person's genes are normally overridden by a 'good' copy of the gene from the other parent but cousins often have the same dodgy gene (so to speak) so the child inherits problems. It was common to basically keep wealth in the family and has no place in modern society.

Anyway, back to the goss.
 
petitspois said:
Cousin marriage is common in many parts of the world and common in Pakistani communities in the UK. It's responsible for many genetic conditions as any recessive issues on one person's genes are normally overridden by a 'good' copy of the gene from the other parent but cousins often have the same dodgy gene (so to speak) so the child inherits problems. It was common to basically keep wealth in the family and has no place in modern society.

Anyway, back to the goss.
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Also, one off cousin marriage isn’t great but isn’t guaranteed to cause genetic disorders in offspring. But when you marry your cousin, and your parents were cousins, and their parents were cousins… big problem.
 
maytoseptember said:
Also, one off cousin marriage isn’t great but isn’t guaranteed to cause genetic disorders in offspring. But when you marry your cousin, and your parents were cousins, and their parents were cousins… big problem.
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let's just draw a line under it full stop and say it's not the best practice to start getting into. 'I'm going to marry my cousin but you kids can't!' :ROFLMAO:
 
Harlot O'Scara said:
I didn’t want to make the post too long but like I said there were exceptions.

Dispensation from the Pope pre Reformation

Marriages performed abroad were generally allowed to stand.

It was mostly governed by Church courts post Reformation and if nobody objected it was often left alone. One of Jane Austen's brothers married his late wife's sister.

Come to me for more boring history lessons 😂
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No, I bow down to your knowledge. I hadn't realised as like I said I saw it/ see it a lot in marriage/ census records so just assumed that was very common practice to marry your brother in law when your husbnad karks it.
 
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