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This is a broader question than just around Russell. But, how much has the idea of consent changed in your opinion over the last 20 years or so?

I wasn’t taught about consent at school, only about peer pressure and saying NO TO DRUGS etc.

As a woman I feel that consent has become way more talked about, which is fortunate.

I don’t know what my point is, but I just wondered what everyone else thinks.



It hasn't for me, no has always meant no. But I suppose with new legislations in place and the fact that it is now (thankfully) illegal to rape your wife within marriage, people are waking up. Women are always blamed though and told to change their behaviour, rather than dirty rapists being told not to rape.
 
This is a broader question than just around Russell. But, how much has the idea of consent changed in your opinion over the last 20 years or so?

I wasn’t taught about consent at school, only about peer pressure and saying NO TO DRUGS etc.

As a woman I feel that consent has become way more talked about, which is fortunate.

I don’t know what my point is, but I just wondered what everyone else thinks.

I completely agree! The whole conversation around consent has changed considerably. Although no has always meant no, there is more awareness of what could potentially count as abuse etc now. For example, when I was younger mental abuse wasn’t something that was ever acknowledged. I think that in some ways it can confuse things, though, with so many more grey areas…well not really grey, just kind of “is this someone having a conversation or are they being sleazy”.

I saw an article this morning saying that teenage girls report feeling unsafe etc and I wonder how much of that is because they’re being taught that danger is everywhere around them, compared to when I was at school. I was a hell of a lot more resilient than some of the teenagers I’ve met in recent years, so I worry that we are doing them a disservice in some ways by making out that the entire world is out to get them and every man they meet will try to get in their knickers.

When my daughter was learning to drive, we were warned that a particular instructor was “creepy”. It turned out that he was just chatty and used conversation as a tool to help students relax.
 
Ugh I feel for you, I’ve almost fallen out with a friend because she came out with the whole
‘But why are they saying it now all these years later’ crap. It’s shocking and triggering when people you’re close to can be so closed minded. Ironically she was in a very controlling and abusive relationship at the time too!!! fortunately isn’t anymore.

And I agree about ferne cotton - those kind of sickos don’t exactly tell many people what they’re up to, it’s hugely unfair to assume she knew.
Thank you, it’s just so tough to hear you know? I’m usually pretty ok when it comes to triggering subjects but that one rocked me. I’m glad that she’s out of that relationship!

I’d be VERY surprised by anyone who goes around saying “I did (insert disgusting thing here)” That’s not their MO, they’d be brought to justice a lot sooner. In a similar vein, there was a guy at my wedding (he was a last minute replacement as someone else couldn’t come),I’d met him a few times and he seemed nice enough so was happy for him to come! But a year later was being investigated for possession of child p*rn. Did I know that before when he attended my wedding while there were children there? NO. I feel disgusted he was there but even his friend (our mutual friend) who he came with didn’t know. More than likely, she didn’t know. Why target her of all people?!
 
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I've always suspected Fearne Cotton knew something but kept quiet for the sake of her reputation. These people only think of themselves. If she with her level of notoriety would have spoken out everyone including police would have listened and god knows how many children could have been saved, including the two babies!
I fell down a rabbit hole at the time with the Watkins stuff. It was pretty well reported at the time that Watkins appeared to be pretty normal then his behaviour became very strange around 2007 when he decendèd into heavy drug use, distanced himself from the band and got into really dark pornography.

There were posts on 'who's dated who' forum from about 2008/9 from fans who knew him talking about how he'd gone off the rails, was having sex with teenage girls, talking about abusing children and beastiality. All of these fans were expressing that this behaviour was new and he wasn't like that previously.

So I'd say there's every chance that when Cotton had her fairly brief relationship with Watkins in 2005 there was no outward indication of what he'd go on to do.
 
Criminal or not, people hide things from people all the time. I'm sure we've all heard of marriages that ended after 20-30+ years when one spouse finally came out? It's so bizarre to think anyone would blame an ex-girlfriend from years ago, who wasn't even with said person for long, especially when the secret in question was the exact kind people would go to unimaginable lengths to keep under wraps. "Things are said..." Oh my God no they're not. If "things were said" this tit would be picked up and prosecuted SO much earlier.
 
Well if that is true and her “reputation“ was her sole concern then surely her most logical step would have been to go to the police as soon as she had the proof, because nothing would enhance her reputation more than being instrumental in taking down a dangerous pedophile, and nothing would put her reputation down the shitter more than if it ever emerged she did know and did nothing about it.

It takes a special kind of psychopath to put one’s reputation (and by reputation I’m assuming you mean career and wealth) above withholding evidence of child abuse. And once again if FC did have that level of psycopathy she would absolutely have dropped Watkins in it, because she would have felt nothing genuine for him either, would have done the sums and taken the book deals, Tv documentaries et al which would have become available after her heroic act. For a sociopath of that level it would have been just another business deal.
She wouldn't have seen it that way, she's have seen it like she was the girlfriend of a paedophile and yes it probably would have effected her work, even if she was the one to out him.
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yes this must be the only reason why i would point out unfairness towards a woman, you’re right 🤣

genuinely no one else in IW’s life knew anything - his bandmates, his family, no one - or at least claimed to not know anything. they were the ones spending real time with him, not a random ex. but again, easier to blame the woman eh? 🙃
I wouldn't have cared if she was a man or a woman. I also think his bandmates would have suspected a lot! I've watched documentaries about him going with underage groupies. I think most close to him had at the very least strong suspicions!
 
I completely agree! The whole conversation around consent has changed considerably. Although no has always meant no, there is more awareness of what could potentially count as abuse etc now. For example, when I was younger mental abuse wasn’t something that was ever acknowledged. I think that in some ways it can confuse things, though, with so many more grey areas…well not really grey, just kind of “is this someone having a conversation or are they being sleazy”.

I saw an article this morning saying that teenage girls report feeling unsafe etc and I wonder how much of that is because they’re being taught that danger is everywhere around them, compared to when I was at school. I was a hell of a lot more resilient than some of the teenagers I’ve met in recent years, so I worry that we are doing them a disservice in some ways by making out that the entire world is out to get them and every man they meet will try to get in their knickers.

When my daughter was learning to drive, we were warned that a particular instructor was “creepy”. It turned out that he was just chatty and used conversation as a tool to help students relax.
And I wonder if this is part of the answer for the “Why now?” Crew. It’s not that women have suddenly decided it wasn’t consensual, they just have a better understanding of what consent means. So rather than looking back and saying “well I went to his dressing room willingly, I knew exactly what I was getting myself into..” they can look back with hindsight and say, yes I did go to his dressing room willingly but I was a child and never consented to the actual sex act itself and told him no/tried to escape.

It’s making me re-evaluate my own experience with Russell Brand. No, he didn’t rape me but I was legally a child and he was was in his 30s. It shouldn’t have happened. He started groping me the minute we got into his dressing room. He didn’t ask permission. I was ok with it. But what if I hadn’t been? He didn’t ask. And the amount of other adults who were in the building who knew damn well what was going on but didn’t do anything.

I’m not trying to go all #metoo. A lot worse has happened to other people and at the time I was fine with it, but now I’m in my mid-30s I have a lot of questions!
 
I've always suspected Fearne Cotton knew something but kept quiet for the sake of her reputation. These people only think of themselves. If she with her level of notoriety would have spoken out everyone including police would have listened and god knows how many children could have been saved, including the two babies!
I'm 50/50 on it, really. Watkins didn't exactly hide his predilections, so it's plausible she knew. She was also pretty young looking at the time, and my memory of it is that she played that up a bit, which is a but icky when you think about it with hindsight. But they also weren't together all that long, so it's possible she never knew.
 
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I'm 50/50 on it, really. Watkins didn't exactly hide his predilections, so it's plausible she knew. She was also pretty young looking at the time, and my memory of it is that she played that up a bit, which is a but icky when you think about it with hindsight. But they also weren't together all that long, so it's possible she never knew.

there’s a more detailed post above which explains that his behaviour really started becoming disgusting and dangerous in 2007; they dated briefly in 2005 so i think it’s equally plausible that she genuinely didn’t.

again, though this is a thread about a man and the various terrible acts he has committed so i think it’s time to park the “did fearne know” conversation. it isn’t relevant here. even though it does prove some pretty depressing points about society’s general views of women.
 
And I wonder if this is part of the answer for the “Why now?” Crew. It’s not that women have suddenly decided it wasn’t consensual, they just have a better understanding of what consent means. So rather than looking back and saying “well I went to his dressing room willingly, I knew exactly what I was getting myself into..” they can look back with hindsight and say, yes I did go to his dressing room willingly but I was a child and never consented to the actual sex act itself and told him no/tried to escape.

It’s making me re-evaluate my own experience with Russell Brand. No, he didn’t rape me but I was legally a child and he was was in his 30s. It shouldn’t have happened. He started groping me the minute we got into his dressing room. He didn’t ask permission. I was ok with it. But what if I hadn’t been? He didn’t ask. And the amount of other adults who were in the building who knew damn well what was going on but didn’t do anything.

I’m not trying to go all #metoo. A lot worse has happened to other people and at the time I was fine with it, but now I’m in my mid-30s I have a lot of questions!
I’m not 100% sure where the law stands once you’re over 16, but if you were under 16 it’s still definitely a criminal offence, even if you were ok with it at the time. Especially as he was much older. I’m pretty sure it would still count as on offence even if you were over 18. I believe it’s assault as you hadn’t given consent.
 
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I’ve never been able to sit through a single video on his YT channel, with his annoying voice and insanely boring verbal diarrhoea. I think people who like his videos must be stupid or insane and his wife must be deaf.

Now that their stock has plummeted, I don’t see his wife sticking around for his further decline into darkness, addiction and narc abuse. Any decent mother would want to protect their kids from harm and get a divorce now. Cults that are religious, new age, political or show business etc always attract narcissists like him, cos it’s easier for them to manipulate and sexually abuse the more trusting and naive believers.
 
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again, though this is a thread about a man and the various terrible acts he has committed so i think it’s time to park the “did fearne know” conversation. it isn’t relevant here. even though it does prove some pretty depressing points about society’s general views of women.

Forgive me if I have this wrong, but I read here earlier that Fearne unfollowed Brand on Social Media and now Follows him again, that makes her fair game to be discussed I think. But I won't flog a dead horse, I just wanted to say that she spent a hell of lot of time banging-on about wellbeing etc. so I don't get how associating with Brand is good for anyone's 'wellbeing'. Further to that, she specifically mused on the evils of mobile phone use and how it's a good idea to 'give it a break' for the sake of your 'mental health', yada, yada, yada only to then sign a big money deal to be the voice of Tesco Mobile. I've no time for her, sorry. Ok, I won't mention her again. :cool:
 
Forgive me if I have this wrong, but I read here earlier that Fearne unfollowed Brand on Social Media and now Follows him again, that makes her fair game to be discussed I think. But I won't flog a dead horse, I just wanted to say that she spent a hell of lot of time banging-on about wellbeing etc. so I don't get how associating with Brand is good for anyone's 'wellbeing'. Further to that, she specifically mused on the evils of mobile phone use and how it's a good idea to 'give it a break' for the sake of your 'mental health', yada, yada, yada only to then sign a big money deal to be the voice of Tesco Mobile. I've no time for her, sorry. Ok, I won't mention her again. :cool:


No time apart from the time you spend writing long posts picking her every move apart :cool:
 
Forgive me if I have this wrong, but I read here earlier that Fearne unfollowed Brand on Social Media and now Follows him again, that makes her fair game to be discussed I think. But I won't flog a dead horse, I just wanted to say that she spent a hell of lot of time banging-on about wellbeing etc. so I don't get how associating with Brand is good for anyone's 'wellbeing'. Further to that, she specifically mused on the evils of mobile phone use and how it's a good idea to 'give it a break' for the sake of your 'mental health', yada, yada, yada only to then sign a big money deal to be the voice of Tesco Mobile. I've no time for her, sorry. Ok, I won't mention her again. :cool:
Yes she is an utter hypocrite and like Mrs Brand she has written books about mental well being when all her theories are already on the internet for all to see the same as her big mate Mrs Brand's not so creative ideas.
 
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