Real Life Crime and Murder #15

[Octopies]

Yes, you put it better than me - such authority of female bodies.
I think she knew towards the end but maybe at the start, before the abortion cut off, she could have genuinely believed that the spotting she experienced was a period or maybe she didn’t experience any bleeding but tried to but it to the back of her mind. I mean she was only 14 when she got pregnant and 15 when she gave birth, she was still a child. Some much older women don’t know fully how their bodies work.

When I was about her age my periods were incredibly erratic, I sometimes wouldn’t have one for weeks. Even as an adult they are like that, I didn’t think twice about not having a period for ages and I was actually 4 months pregnant (the eventual morning sickness gave the game away but again not everyone gets that!
(ironically during the later stages of pregnancy I had false periods!)
No two women are the same, like you have all said!

 

[MyWayOrTheHighway]

I read an article by the guardian that gave some insights to her life and it was rather sad. Her father was abusive, she started having sex at 13 because she had no self confidence and wanted boys to like her and didn’t use a condom when she fell pregnant because the baby’s father didn’t want to and she wanted to keep him happy so he’d like her. I’m not saying this because I think she shouldn’t have gone to prison, I think what she did to the baby was very cruel and the poor boy must have suffered so much. I just think that her life was quite bleak and miserable and it’s sad that it had such fatal consequences.

I agree with you, what she did to that poor baby was terrible and breaks my heart, I can’t fathom it. But I also think she was a vulnerable child who was severely let down by everyone and being sexually coerced and I’m a bit shocked at the juries decision and the sentencing.

 

[GeminiMoon]

I’d guess it’s the mode of killing that might have increased the sentence? It seems pretty violent and callous.

I’m staggered by the sentence as well, given her vulnerabilities.

 

[MyWayOrTheHighway]

I’d guess it’s the mode of killing that might have increased the sentence? It seems pretty violent and callous.

I’m staggered by the sentence as well, given her vulnerabilities.

You’re right, when I read the statement from the judge about what happened it is absolutely awful and must be even worse hearing it in court. I really really wish she’d said something or that her mother, anyone had intervened and it never came to all of this, it’s so sad.

 

[thaliamay]

Can someone help me here? Nicola Bulley partner says he believes she was trying to retrieve the harness before slipping in. But I'm confused cos it was by the bench when found? Wasn't it?? Not being ghoulish simply confused

 

[dxo]

Can someone help me here? Nicola Bulley partner says he believes she was trying to retrieve the harness before slipping in. But I'm confused cos it was by the bench when found? Wasn't it?? Not being ghoulish simply confused

Found between the bench and the river.

 

[Lovelula]

What's going on here then??
Anyone from Donegal can fill me in?Have they thrown the body from the cliffs?

Donegal gardaí examining blood-splattered car in suspected missing person probe

Gardaí are examining a blood splattered car as part of their investigation into a suspected missing person in Co Donegal.

m.sundayworld.com

 

[thegirlscout]

With Nicola Bulley, from my understanding she was with her dog by the river and the dog was out of its harness. When she went to bend down to put the harness on is when she slipped and fell in the river?
Sorry if this is obvious but just wanted to make sure I had it right.

 

[iieee]

This is very local to me, I can't think of any scenario that is good tbh but hoping somehow the baby is OK

Midwife issues urgent plea to 'distressed mum' as search for baby continues

A midwife at a Southampton hospital is appealing to the mum of a newborn baby to get the urgent medical help they need

www.dailyecho.co.uk

 

[GeminiMoon]

You’re right, when I read the statement from the judge about what happened it is absolutely awful and must be even worse hearing it in court. I really really wish she’d said something or that her mother, anyone had intervened and it never came to all of this, it’s so sad.

Yes…her pinching his nose while pushing the cotton wool down his throat was difficult to read. She was determined.

A midwife reported she didn’t seem to understand the significance of what had happened.

It’s like she was completely numbed to it.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Stumbled across a bit of a strange one when I was checking the court listings for another case. There is very little reported on this one at all and nothing since the trial started - the woman charged is actually on trial with a man, although I can't find any report about him so I have no idea what he's charged with. These two reports are definitely related to the same case as the victim's father is making people aware on Facebook that he's attending the trial (but not discussing it)

Inquest opens into death of woman knocked over by car in Redditch

AN inquest into the death of a woman who was knocked over by a car in Redditch has been opened and adjourned.

www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk

Woman charged with manslaughter due to appear in court

Sarah Oliver, of St Mark's Close, Worcester charged with manslaughter due to appear at Kidderminster Magistrates Court.

www.worcesternews.co.uk

But what's weird about it is the judge - Justice Cheema-Grubb. She's one of the top judges in the country and tends to sit on very high profile cases at The Old Bailey, although she does sit in other courts but, again, for high profile cases.

So why is she at Worcester Crown Court on a manslaughter case that's a received very little attention? More to this one I suspect

 

[Violetroselily]

Stumbled across a bit of a strange one when I was checking the court listings for another case. There is very little reported on this one at all and nothing since the trial started - the woman charged is actually on trial with a man, although I can't find any report about him so I have no idea what he's charged with. These two reports are definitely related to the same case as the victim's father is making people aware on Facebook that he's attending the trial (but not discussing it)

Inquest opens into death of woman knocked over by car in Redditch

AN inquest into the death of a woman who was knocked over by a car in Redditch has been opened and adjourned.

www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk

Woman charged with manslaughter due to appear in court

Sarah Oliver, of St Mark's Close, Worcester charged with manslaughter due to appear at Kidderminster Magistrates Court.

www.worcesternews.co.uk

But what's weird about it is the judge - Justice Cheema-Grubb. She's one of the top judges in the country and tends to sit on very high profile cases at The Old Bailey, although she does sit in other courts but, again, for high profile cases.

So why is she at Worcester Crown Court on a manslaughter case that's a received very little attention? More to this one I suspect

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The male on trial may be the "driver" arrested and referred to in the initial report?

 

[Be More Pacific]

The male on trial may be the "driver" arrested and referred to in the initial report?

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Yes, that's what I suspect. It's just strange that there's no report of him being charged, only her. And charging her took almost three years.

 

[thegirlscout]

Stumbled across a bit of a strange one when I was checking the court listings for another case. There is very little reported on this one at all and nothing since the trial started - the woman charged is actually on trial with a man, although I can't find any report about him so I have no idea what he's charged with. These two reports are definitely related to the same case as the victim's father is making people aware on Facebook that he's attending the trial (but not discussing it)

Inquest opens into death of woman knocked over by car in Redditch

AN inquest into the death of a woman who was knocked over by a car in Redditch has been opened and adjourned.

www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk

Woman charged with manslaughter due to appear in court

Sarah Oliver, of St Mark's Close, Worcester charged with manslaughter due to appear at Kidderminster Magistrates Court.

www.worcesternews.co.uk

But what's weird about it is the judge - Justice Cheema-Grubb. She's one of the top judges in the country and tends to sit on very high profile cases at The Old Bailey, although she does sit in other courts but, again, for high profile cases.

So why is she at Worcester Crown Court on a manslaughter case that's a received very little attention? More to this one I suspect

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A Facebook comment (so could be nothing) said her death wasn’t due to speeding but Hannah taking her own life. Not sure if that makes any difference to why Cheema-Grubb is residing?

 

[Be More Pacific]

A Facebook comment (so could be nothing) said her death wasn’t due to speeding but Hannah taking her own life. Not sure if that makes any difference to why Cheema-Grubb is residing?

Yeah, I saw that but he just seems to be some random person and it makes absolutely no sense. There doesn't seem to be any connection between the victim and the two people on trial that I can find so it seems completely implausible that two strangers decided to get involved and helped her take her own life by knocking her over at 6am??!

I am trawling through the victim's father's Facebook but it's hard going. He's one of those that lives his life on Facebook.

 

[thegirlscout]

Yeah, I saw that but he just seems to be some random person and it makes absolutely no sense. There doesn't seem to be any connection between the victim and the two people on trial that I can find so it seems completely implausible that two strangers decided to get involved and helped her take her own life by knocking her over at 6am??!

I am trawling through the victim's father's Facebook but it's hard going. He's one of those that lives his life on Facebook.

Unless it is ‘just’ a road traffic collision because they were driving badly or something else? There’s a backlog of cases due to Covid, maybe this Justice is helping out to clear the backlog?

 

[Mystery07]

The man who shot Josh and Gary Dunmore has plead guilty - this was the case where Josh had just gained custody of his son and the ex wife was potentially going to move to the US with her new partner who was in the American airforce. Ex and partner were arrested but released with no charge, and then it was revealed the man charged is the exes father. He didn't answer any questions at interview so there is still no explanation for why he shot Josh and Gary (although we can have a fairly educated guess). https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/live-updates-after-man-pleads-27215464

 

[Be More Pacific]

This is another strange one. I wonder what the connection was.... Seems too much of a determined effort for them to be strangers?

Emadh Miah jailed for killing Ghulam Sadiq using a weapon he bought online

A man has been jailed for fatally stabbing an 18-year-old victim with a weapon he purchased online using fake ID.

www.guardian-series.co.uk

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The man who shot Josh and Gary Dunmore has plead guilty - this was the case where Josh had just gained custody of his son and the ex wife was potentially going to move to the US with her new partner who was in the American airforce. Ex and partner were arrested but released with no charge, and then it was revealed the man charged is the exes father. He didn't answer any questions at interview so there is still no explanation for why he shot Josh and Gary (although we can have a fairly educated guess). https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/live-updates-after-man-pleads-27215464

There'll be more information released about motive during the sentencing phase but, like you said, it's pretty obvious and, sadly, as old as time.

 

[thegirlscout]

The man who shot Josh and Gary Dunmore has plead guilty - this was the case where Josh had just gained custody of his son and the ex wife was potentially going to move to the US with her new partner who was in the American airforce. Ex and partner were arrested but released with no charge, and then it was revealed the man charged is the exes father. He didn't answer any questions at interview so there is still no explanation for why he shot Josh and Gary (although we can have a fairly educated guess). https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/live-updates-after-man-pleads-27215464

As they’ve been released with no charge does it mean they didn’t know? So the child can still go and live with them?

 

[Leo100]

Minimum of 12 years for the teen who killed her baby

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...g-newborn-son-stuffing-cotton-wool-mouth.html

Very suprised at the daily mail comments on there sticking up for her , its not like she abandoned him or he died through childbirth or something it was cold calculated murder she could have stopped and changed her mind at any point , no matter what you've been through you must be evil to be able to do such a horrific thing.

They wouldn't be saying that if it was the babies father who killed him yes i know the father would have the chance to walk away as they obviously don't get pregnant but for arguments sake what if they had a bad upbringing and the mother ran away so they were left with the baby.