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But surely all addicts make the first choice to use drugs for the first time?! We all know drugs are addictive. So if you use them, you make a choice to go down the path that may lead to addiction. Whilst one may not choose to be an addict, they have chosen to take drugs, knowing the possible outcome.
 
Tots said:
But surely all addicts make the first choice to use drugs for the first time?! We all know drugs are addictive. So if you use them, you make a choice to go down the path that may lead to addiction. Whilst one may not choose to be an addict, they have chosen to take drugs, knowing the possible outcome.
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The same applies to alcohol, though. Everyone knows alcohol is an addictive substance that leads to life ruining addiction for so many people. Yet I find a lot of people who make comments like yours have also drank alcohol. They've done the exact same thing they're criticising drug addicts for doing, by knowingly consuming an addictive substance. What's the difference?
 
YeahBrackie said:
The same applies to alcohol, though. Everyone knows alcohol is an addictive substance that leads to life ruining addiction for so many people. Yet I find a lot of people who make comments like yours have also drank alcohol. They've done the exact same thing they're criticising drug addicts for doing, by knowingly consuming an addictive substance. What's the difference?
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there is no difference, you’re right. We were talking about drug addiction though which is far easier to succumb to. I have drunk alcohol in the past but was never a heavy drinker and I no longer drink. I have never taken drugs though or smoked cigarettes because I didn’t want to become addicted.
 
Tots said:
there is no difference, you’re right. We were talking about drug addiction though which is far easier to succumb to. I have drunk alcohol in the past but was never a heavy drinker and I no longer drink. I have never taken drugs though or smoked cigarettes because I didn’t want to become addicted.
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Yeah, that’s the hard part. Making the choice. I think people don’t understand it’s a slippery slope. Ultimately the effort has to be made. You can be an addict, but no one can fix it for you. There is no magic cure. Matthew had all the money and trips to rehab and sober coaches and help, and he still wasn’t willing to make the decision to no longer do any drugs or drink. That’s the only thing that will stop the addiction. The persons decision to do things differently.
 
Tots said:
But surely all addicts make the first choice to use drugs for the first time?! We all know drugs are addictive. So if you use them, you make a choice to go down the path that may lead to addiction. Whilst one may not choose to be an addict, they have chosen to take drugs, knowing the possible outcome.
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Not always. Particularly in the US (to this day) people are prescribed hard pain for something super simple and become instantly heavily addicted. These types of pain are forbidden elsewhere or given in only extreme cases. They also don't wean patients off of these pain.

Matthew Perry's addictions started (if I remember right) with alcohol as a youth (and binge-drinking and further problems with alcohol are sadly very common everywhere) and spiralled with pain after an accident.

Add in psychological issues and it's a never-ending (or fatal) spiral.
 
vikka said:
Not always. Particularly in the US (to this day) people are prescribed hard pain for something super simple and become instantly heavily addicted. These types of pain are forbidden elsewhere or given in only extreme cases. They also don't wean patients off of these pain.

Matthew Perry's addictions started (if I remember right) with alcohol as a youth (and binge-drinking and further problems with alcohol are sadly very common everywhere) and spiralled with pain after an accident.

Add in psychological issues and it's a never-ending (or fatal) spiral.
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Exactly. If anyone wants to learn about this more I highly recommend Painkiller mini series on Netflix which covers the opiod crisis. A normal chap with a back injury is prescribed pain that goes very wrong.
 
No idea if true but the latest rumour is that Ray J might be involved somehow. There have been stories about him for years including one that won't go away about him giving Whitney the gear the night she drowned as they were 'together' at the time.

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Whether or not it’s a choice to take drugs isn’t really relevant as to whether or not the police should investigate…dealing drugs is illegal. Dealers know this, and know they're putting people at risk but choose to do it anyway for financial gain. Are we just supposed to ignore that because people wanted to buy what they were selling? Of course there will be an investigation and of course there should be consequences. And I do believe this would be the case regardless of whether or not the victim is famous. It just wouldn’t make the papers.
 
SarcasticEllis said:
His autobiography was really uncomfortable reading as it was clear that even if not in active addiction, he was not in the right frame of mind to be documenting all his issues. There should have been a duty of care; I don’t believe he could have written it without the help of a ghost writer and even then, it was not well edited, it was heartbreakingly repetitive about his wish for a different life.
I did get the feeling that his friends castmates had distanced themselves in recent years - in the same way every person affected by another’s substance use wrestles with - but that Jennifer Anniston maybe felt she had to put something more emotional, due to everything he’d written about her.
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I was impressed by the brutal honesty of his autobiography. I thought it was well documented that he wrote his autobiography himself? Im sure it said somewhere that he had helped with scriptwriting for the series as well?

His autobiography was a tragic story of addiction, but also of a little boy lost, whose parents were absolutely no help at all to him.
I found it fascinating, because it highlighted how so many 'stars' probably dabble in drugs and can then take it or leave it, whereas others like Matthew become totally addicted and let the drugs totally destroy their lives.

I think his Friends castmates did probably do loads for him whilst they were actually filming .....and were as supportive as they could be to someone who was a complete addict, and who despite all help, continued to abuse drugs.

I dont understand addiction...... how differently it affects people... but Matthews autobiography is a brutal reminder or how dangerous addiction and drugs can be!
 
I read his book before he died so I have a different perspective to many who are reading it now. I learned so much about addiction and how it all comes about, what happens in and out of rehab and also as a Friends fan I found out so many fun things I didn't know before.
He really did give it a go and it's just so sad he's gone, tearing up as I write this 😞
 
georgiecait said:
I read his book before he died so I have a different perspective to many who are reading it now. I learned so much about addiction and how it all comes about, what happens in and out of rehab and also as a Friends fan I found out so many fun things I didn't know before.
He really did give it a go and it's just so sad he's gone, tearing up as I write this 😞
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One of the many heartbreaking things about addiction is when someone's body gives out whilst they're still mentally trying to get sober and pursue recovery, even in the midst of periodic lapses.

Some people are in and out of rehabs for decades, seem to be a "lost cause" and then get and stay sober well into their 40s, 50s, 60s or even 70s. But for that to even have a chance of happening, the body has to have not given up on them. It's really the luck of the draw with regards to that. Some of us are lucky enough to stay alive long enough for one of our repeated attempts at recovery to finally stick, and for all that combined hard work over the years to come together. And for some of us, the body gives in even while the mind is still desperately fighting. It seems even more tragic when that happens, when that possibility of one day making it stick after so many years of hard work is simply ripped away because you were one of the unlucky ones.
 
YeahBrackie said:
One of the many heartbreaking things about addiction is when someone's body gives out whilst they're still mentally trying to get sober and pursue recovery, even in the midst of periodic lapses.

Some people are in and out of rehabs for decades, seem to be a "lost cause" and then get and stay sober well into their 40s, 50s, 60s or even 70s. But for that to even have a chance of happening, the body has to have not given up on them. It's really the luck of the draw with regards to that. Some of us are lucky enough to stay alive long enough for one of our repeated attempts at recovery to finally stick, and for all that combined hard work over the years to come together. And for some of us, the body gives in even while the mind is still desperately fighting. It seems even more tragic when that happens, when that possibility of one day making it stick after so many years of hard work is simply ripped away because you were one of the unlucky ones.
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Gosh that really is just so so sad.
 
It seems they are closing in on the dealers who sold to him. According to TMZt's just a matter of time and the docs who signed the scripts might be taken in as well.



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Flowerpotgirl said:
I am wondering what Brooke Muellers involvement is going to be. I know shes in the frame from the other articles.
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One of his exes did an interview saying he was good at persuading people to do favours like asking her to pick up packages and it was only after a while she realised what she was actually collecting. She said he did it with a few people so his hands would be clean and to everyone, he was drug-free when he was far from it. When asked, she said that was likely how Brooke was or is involved in it. Whether she is telling the truth or bullshitting for attention, I have no clue.

At the minute Brooke is claiming to be clean. She has joint custody of the boys but they live with Charlie and she just visits. One of the clauses is if she tests positive for drugs or alcohol, he gets full custody so I would assume she is regularly tested.
 
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