Lucy Letby Case #75

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Dewi Evans seems to be adding fuel to the fire



yes he needs to stop speaking to these people. We’ve seen how selective Sarah Knapton is in what she reports so I’m not convinced we are hearing everything Dewi actually said.
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Mark McDonald is saying they now have evidence of a bowel obstruction
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Yet professor Arthur Owens said there was no such marker and was not found post mortem. so where has this new ‘evidence’ come from? Some ‘expert’ who’s read something on Twitter?
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Gosh these transcripts throw out all sorts of information. Sorry, im clogging up the thread a bit so will use spoilers a bit more

Ruth Millward, Head of Risk & Safety also seems to be absolving herself from responsibility.
Suggesting here the first cluster was not reported so a comprehensive investigation could not take place.

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But wonderful Dr Gibbs remember it was not only reported, but seems Ruth Millward actually attended a meeting about the cluster on 2nd July 2015!!!

Love how Dr Gibbs has pointed this out and the K. has assured him she will be asked!!!

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Also, did we know this? That she might have been removed specifically from caring for baby I due to concerns over her association with collapses? Is this the same time she (supposedly) went from nights to days?

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Just read on and the switch to day shifts was much later. I’m wondering if a shift manager or maybe even Eirian Powell removed Letby from baby I but it’s only become known as part of the inquiry from an email or someone’s statement. It is already a sticking point that if you had significant concerns to move someone from nights to days then why wouldn’t you remove them altogether, for the safety of all.

Im sure I remember reading that Lucy was annoyed because they wouldn't let her look after child I for a shift.
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yes he needs to stop speaking to these people. We’ve seen how selective Sarah Knapton is in what she reports so I’m not convinced we are hearing everything Dewi actually said.
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Mark McDonald is saying they now have evidence of a bowel obstructionView attachment 3200492 q

Yet professor Arthur Owens said there was no such marker and was not found post mortem. so where has this new ‘evidence’ come from? Some ‘expert’ who’s read something on Twitter?
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I really don't see how a blocked bowel wouldn't show up on a post mortem.
 
They are deliberately confusing things.

June 12th: Letby not on duty. Baby C on CPAP, x-ray from this day finds air in his stomach and first part of his small intestine. However, it didn't cause him collapse or noticeable symptoms, and was less air than what caused the catastrophic collapse the next day.

June 13th: Letby on duty, Baby C, who was no longer on CPAP, dies following a collapse caused by masses amounts of air throughout his digestive system.

Dr. Dewi Evans initially marked the 12th X-ray as having a suspicious cause, then changed his mind. This what the Letbyists are currently twisting (as if it refers to Baby C's actual fatal collapse) and acting like it's new information.
She exploited any weakness in those babies didn't she. Air in stomach the day before due to CPAP, oh that's a great idea, I will give him loads of air today and no one will ever know it was me, they will think it was the CPAP
 
Nurses caught checking shift patterns on death and collapse dates
Nurses at the Countess of Chester were caught huddled around a computer checking shift patterns to see if anyone was present at each unexplained death and collapse.
Dr Lambie told the inquiry that by September 2015 - three months after the death of Child A - nurses were “starting to think the unthinkable”.
The registrar said that in the autumn there were discussions in the hospital about there being “something going on that we can’t explain”.
Speaking of one incident in the neonatal intensive care unit, Dr Lambie said: “There was a huddle of nurses in the corner by the computer and I asked what they were doing and one of the nurses replied that they were going through the rota just to make sure that there wasn’t somebody that was on for each one.
“They were starting to think the unthinkable. That there might be a person who’s deliberately causing harm. It was starting to become part of their thought processes.”

I wonder if Letby was included in the huddle !
A live link for today https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/02/lucy-letby-thirlwall-inquiry-countess-chester-hospital/
 

No doubt the fan club will convince themselves it wasn’t included in the trial because she wasn’t there 🙄

I find it strange that around Sept 2015 the nurses were all huddled around rotas trying to work out who was on all the time, because they knew something was wrong, to the reports that there was now a ‘ring of steel’ around Letby in the nursing team. I’m not yet at that part of Dr Gibbs transcript but I wonder what the split was really like in terms of those who thought it was Letby and those that didn’t.
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Knapton straight in there as the authority on pseudomonas and likely omitting that the next part of the discussion is that NONE of the babies had this infection. None.

yeah but 3 babies died of the same thing in Belfast in 2012 so Letby must be innocent

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No doubt the fan club will convince themselves it wasn’t included in the trial because she wasn’t there 🙄

I find it strange that around Sept 2015 the nurses were all huddled around rotas trying to work out who was on all the time, because they knew something was wrong, to the reports that there was now a ‘ring of steel’ around Letby in the nursing team. I’m not yet at that part of Dr Gibbs transcript but I wonder what the split was really like in terms of those who thought it was Letby and those that didn’t.
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yeah but 3 babies died of the same thing in Belfast in 2012 so Letby must be innocent

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I think the split is definitely between the management side of the nursing and the normal nurses. I think it’s Erian Powell’s ring of steel 😬 she’s going to need one at the inquiry 😅
I can bet you my girl Mel Taylor was in that huddle. Hope she gives evidence.
 
yes he needs to stop speaking to these people. We’ve seen how selective Sarah Knapton is in what she reports so I’m not convinced we are hearing everything Dewi actually said.
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Mark McDonald is saying they now have evidence of a bowel obstructionView attachment 3200492 q

Yet professor Arthur Owens said there was no such marker and was not found post mortem. so where has this new ‘evidence’ come from? Some ‘expert’ who’s read something on Twitter?
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They went into this on the File on 4 Podcast, talking about the bowel obstruction. They spoke to someone there, I imagine that is the expert they are referring to. I'll listen again.
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Ok if you want to listen it's about 16 mins in. I was fancy and got my phone to transcribe it. I made some corrections but I couldn't be bothered to correct Letbys name!

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Each baby, that died or was harmed was given a letter of the alphabet. So, their families couldn't be identified. We've been looking at the case of baby C. A boy who was born in June 2015, 10 weeks. Premature and weighing just under two pounds.
Let B was found guilty of deliberately injecting air into the child's stomach via his feeding tube. Key to the prosecution's case was the baby C was stable. And that his collapsed at almost four days old had been unexpected. But five different neonatologists have told File on 4 there were signs Vaby C was in trouble before then.

I'm Colin Morley. I've been a pediatrician for about 50 years. And specialize towards the end in the care of sick babies, particularly premature babies. I worked in adenbrook's hospital in the University of Cambridge. Done quite a lot of research related to breathing problems. And I went to Melbourne for 10 years, as professor of neonatal medicine.

Professor Morley is a world-renowned expert in neonatology. This is the first time he's spoken about the Letby case. He didn't attend the trial, but he's reviewed the evidence heard in court about the care that Baby C received.

Baby C was an extremely small baby, so this baby really needed intensive care. The baby was not in the right hospital. The baby started vomiting black fluid, bile probably with digested blood. That's a very serious sign. Although, they didn't seem to appreciate that. And the x-rays show dilated bowel, with lot of gas, particularly in the stomach and the upper intestine. I think they failed to recognize that the baby had a bowel obstruction, which was causing the problems. And that needed urgent surgical opinion and probably surgery to save the baby's life.

You're saying quite clearly. Here, you believe this baby died of natural causes. How confident are you of that?

I'm very confident because of what I've read, bile stone vomiting, that means intestinal obstruction, until not proved the x-ray showing the distended bowel. That means bowel obstruction. And I don't see any reason to come up with a very strange hypothesis that somebody forced gas into the stomach through the nasogastric tube enough to kill the baby. There was plenty other things going on. That would mean the baby wasn't gonna survive if he didn't have the proper treatment.

Baby C's size and prematurity, put him at the limit of what the Countess of Chester could care for. Professor Morley, says, a consultant should have been examining this child several times a day.

This baby certainly should have had higher level of care, the tricky, and they deteriorate. And you need to be able to keep an eye on things. To see what's going on. The consultant didn't see the baby for the first three days. He was seen by nurses and trainee. Doctors,

It was in the middle of Lucy Latby's night shift. The baby sea collapsed. Doctors tried to resuscitate him, but they couldn't.

This and other cases to do with Lucy. Let me I've looked at I got the feeling that the resuscitation was suboptimal. The people's skills were not. Up to the job of resuscitating A tiny baby like this. And that's not surprising. I mean it sounds very critical but this was a hospital that wasn't really set up for a baby as small and sick as this baby. By the time the baby was intubated. 20 minutes later. It would have deteriorated significantly.

This medical evidence was reviewed and peer-reviewed by a team of medical experts, pediatricians Radiologists and a pathologist. And it was considered in great detail. So it's quite a statement for you to make that. They've simply got it wrong.

Looking after and diagnosing very premature baby. 800 grams is extraordinarily tiny, they just were out of their depth. And instead of going for the diagnosis, Which, You know I just bile stone vomiting the baby's got intestinal obstruction don't need much more than that. The X-ray was absolutely classical of a baby who got the lower bowel obstruction.

The pathologist who took the stand for the prosecution said there was no bile obstruction found in the post-mortem.

Well, clinically the baby did have a bowel obstruction I'm devastated for the families. There's nothing worse than losing your precious baby. And they've been told that the baby was murdered by Lucy, let me which is awful. But, you know, my job is to Tell the truth about what I think has happened. I just don't believe this wild hypothesis based on no evidence whatsoever that somebody inflated the stomach enough to kill the baby.

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They went into this on the File on 4 Podcast, talking about the bowel obstruction. They spoke to someone there, I imagine that is the expert they are referring to. I'll listen again.

I’ve found a transcript on Apple Podcasts. Colin Morley. It’s not clear how much evidence he’s reviewed. But he dismisses the pathologist. This isn’t evidence though, this is just his opinion and it’s not even clear if he’s had full access to the medical records Via the new legal team, or just what’s been reported in the media.
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Have you got the link to this please x

yes it’s the telegraph live reporting today

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There is also a pathologist doubting the liver injury on baby O. She says she’s seen the same reports Dr Marinades had seen. Seems quite scathing of him.

How can she say this though:
“Unless a witness saw non-accidental injury occur, then you can't say it.”

This happens all the time in neglect, murder, manslaughter cases!! Just look at Savannah Brockhill.


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I’ve found a transcript on Apple Podcasts. Colin Morley. It’s not clear how much evidence he’s reviewed. But he dismisses the pathologist. This isn’t evidence though, this is just his opinion and it’s not even clear if he’s had full access to the medical records Via the new legal team, or just what’s been reported in the media.

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yes it’s the telegraph live reporting today


Yeah absolutely. It's just his opinion and I cannot imagine he had access to everything from the trial. The podcast even says "he didn't attend the trial".

I trust those Drs that were there on the ground far more than this guy. Expert or not.

And again, the defence couldn't find anyone willing to say this in the trial itself, so....
 
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