Lucy Letby Case #75

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Lucy Letby Case #74

Last thread here https://tattle.life/threads/lucy-letby-case-73.46089/ The Thirlwall Inquiry starts on Tuesday 10th September. There is lots of information on the inquiry here https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/ A good starting point is the inquiry terms of reference which details the aims...
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The Thirlwall Inquiry is underway. There is a huge amount of information on the inquiry website

Daily transcripts:

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Statements:

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Evidence:

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Witness Timetable:

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Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.
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Yeah quite obvious that knapton put as pro letby stance as possible on Gibbs words today. She’s also just printed a load of guff about the case against Letby for baby C. Terrible human.

https://amp.12ft.io/https://www.the...d-he-failed-to-protect-babies-from-lucy-letby

www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby: Doctor's 'regret' over 'failing to protect' babies - BBC News

A former colleague of Lucy Letby says he is "ashamed I failed to protect the babies from harm".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Failing to mention that he talked about emails that documented the strange purpuric rash
www.cheshire-live.co.uk

Chester Hospital doctor ‘ashamed’ he failed to protect babies from killer nurse

“I deeply regret and I am ashamed that I failed to protect the babies from harm by Letby"
www.cheshire-live.co.uk
 
I remember the shift stuff came up during the trial but I couldn’t remember the details. So why is this suddenly headline news now?

I think the consensus was the air in the belly that the baby didn’t die from, when Lucy was not on shift, was cpap belly. The later incident when the baby died was diagnosed by multiple experts (not just evans) as being excessive air via the NG tube.

This is most likely just another case of Letby seeing a weakness in a baby and taking advantage of it. She was determined to get to baby c and she did.
 
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I remember the shift stuff came up during the trial but I couldn’t remember the details. So why is this suddenly headline news now?

I think the consensus was the air in the belly that the baby didn’t die from, when Lucy was not on shift, was cpap belly. The later incident when the baby died was diagnosed by multiple experts (not just evans) as being excessive air via the NG tube.

This is most likely just another case of Letby seeing a weakness in a baby and taking advantage of it. She was determined to get to baby c and she did.
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Yes it’s amazing how often they have these groundbreaking moments of shedding new light on the case and every single time it’s things that were debated and decided on by the jury 😅 pathetic.
 
Sky news had a clip of Dr.Gibbs talking at the inquiry today, can’t see it anywhere else though.
I felt for him it’s easy to say what he should have done but not so easy at the time when managers didn’t believe him.
He wishes he had phoned police himself.
Tomorrow is the consultant paedratician‘s, Dr Jayaram possibly ?
 
This is what Sarah Knapton wrote in her article about the bbc report (I’ve not listened to the podcast so not sure if they are saying the same thing or if she is being selective again)


During the trial, prosecution experts said an X-ray of the baby showed a “marked gaseous distention of the stomach”, which they suggested was due to a deliberate pumping of gas into his feeding tube.

However, the X-ray was taken on June 12, when Letby was not working and had not been on shift since the morning of June 10, BBC’s File on 4 programme reported.

however this is what each of the experts said about the X-ray as reported in Chester standard. It’s clear they didn’t suggest the deliberate harm alone. Misleading yet again! Just that there was enough air that it was one option. But it wasn’t enough to make the baby collapse.


Mr Myers says the 2019 report said Dr Evans raised a possibility of deliberate injection of air from June 12 via the naso-gastric tube.

Dr Evans, reflecting on that report, said: "Can't rule it out".

Mr Myers refers to a 'massive gastric dilation' was 'most likely' due to an injection of air on June 12.

Dr Evans: "That was a possibility, yes."

Mr Myers says in that report, there was no suggestion the diaphragm had been splintered since, and if he wanted to say so in that report, he could have done so.

"If it wasn't said, it wasn't said."

Dr Evans said what was being discussed, on June 12, there was a "distinct possibility" Child C had excess air in the stomach from CPAP belly.

He was "still stable" from a respiratory point of view.

He tell the court: "However the air went in, it would have been insufficient to splinter the diaphragm on the 12th, as he would've collapsed and died on the 12th."

The air which had gone in was 'insufficient' to cause a collapse. There was 'nothing to suggest' the excess air was enough on June 12.

He says the two events on June 12 and 13 "are quite different" in the way they happened.

Mr Myers said that it was Dr Evans's view, a couple of months ago, there was deliberate harm on June 12.

"That was a possibility, yes it was."

Mr Myers: "What you have done today in your evidence is introduce something supporting the allegation."

Dr Evans: "That is incorrect."

He adds that in coming to his conclusion for this case he is not relying solely on his opinions, but taking in other clinical evidence and reports.

"That is what doctors do, we do it all the time." in what Dr Evans says is a "complicated case".

Asked to explain a build-up of gas in Child C’s abdomen detected on a X-ray on June 12 – the day before his fatal collapse – Dr Bohin said air could have accumulated via respiratory support he was receiving. The alternative explanation is a deliberate introduction of air down a fitted nasogastric tube, she said.
Professor Arthurs says, for his conclusion for Child C, that the 'marked gas dilatation' in the stomach noted at June 12 had several potential causes, including CPAP belly, sepsis, NEC or exogenous administration of air by someone.

An observation was made there was no gas in the rectum area for Child C.
(was about cause of death, not xray on 12th)
He gave his opinion on their causes of death after having reviewed the pathological evidence as well as information received from clinical and radiological reviews.

Child C, a boy, was subjected to an excessive infusion/injection of air into his nasogastric tube, he said.
Interestingly, Myers tries to discredit Marnerides as he suggests he can only base his decision on the experts, and the experts are wrong. Yet we are meant to believe the original pathologists were correct… based on what the hospital told them.

Anyway, I missed this other blinder from Andreas (he was the one who said about the dead man with a pot in the desert)

The defence lawyer is focusing his questioning on the fact he has had to rely on Dr Dewi Evans and other medics for his review.

Dr Marnerides earlier said to discount the clinical evidence in forming his reports was akin asking someone to explain physics without using mathematics
 
The extra documents are very interesting indeed
(In a letter from consultants to exec). The fan club like to use Dr Hawdon as an example of reasonable doubt. Except even at the time, her report was not accepted as reasonable explanation in some cases.

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This is the letter, from Feb 2017. Very compelling.
Especially Paragraph 5.

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Letter from Dr Gibbs to parents of baby C about his death. You can see from his letter how the pathologist is even struggling to find a cause of collapse/death.

Baby C actually lived for another 5 hours after the resuscitation 😢 I don’t think I knew it was that long, I can’t remember if that was reported.

No wonder she was chomping at the bit for the cold cot 😡

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Transcript for Dr Gibbs is already up
 
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Gosh these transcripts throw out all sorts of information. Sorry, im clogging up the thread a bit so will use spoilers a bit more

Ruth Millward, Head of Risk & Safety also seems to be absolving herself from responsibility.
Suggesting here the first cluster was not reported so a comprehensive investigation could not take place.

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But wonderful Dr Gibbs remember it was not only reported, but seems Ruth Millward actually attended a meeting about the cluster on 2nd July 2015!!!

Love how Dr Gibbs has pointed this out and the K. has assured him she will be asked!!!

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Also, did we know this? That she might have been removed specifically from caring for baby I due to concerns over her association with collapses? Is this the same time she (supposedly) went from nights to days?

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Just read on and the switch to day shifts was much later. I’m wondering if a shift manager or maybe even Eirian Powell removed Letby from baby I but it’s only become known as part of the inquiry from an email or someone’s statement. It is already a sticking point that if you had significant concerns to move someone from nights to days then why wouldn’t you remove them altogether, for the safety of all.
 
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Tofino said:
I remember the shift stuff came up during the trial but I couldn’t remember the details. So why is this suddenly headline news now?

I think the consensus was the air in the belly that the baby didn’t die from, when Lucy was not on shift, was cpap belly. The later incident when the baby died was diagnosed by multiple experts (not just evans) as being excessive air via the NG tube.

This is most likely just another case of Letby seeing a weakness in a baby and taking advantage of it. She was determined to get to baby c and she did.
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They are deliberately confusing things.

June 12th: Letby not on duty. Baby C on CPAP, x-ray from this day finds air in his stomach and first part of his small intestine. However, it didn't cause him collapse or noticeable symptoms, and was less air than what caused the catastrophic collapse the next day.

June 13th: Letby on duty, Baby C, who was no longer on CPAP, dies following a collapse caused by masses amounts of air throughout his digestive system.

Dr. Dewi Evans initially marked the 12th X-ray as having a suspicious cause, then changed his mind. This what the Letbyists are currently twisting (as if it refers to Baby C's actual fatal collapse) and acting like it's new information.
 
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