Liam Payne

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I'm in my 30s and I obviously had friends when I was late teens, early 20s who I was immensely close with, did everything together and have so many memories with. Some of them, I haven't really spoken to in years. The odd message here, facebook comment there. God forbid if anything happened to them, I'd be devastated, and sad for their children and families, but would my day-to-day life be impacted by the loss? Probably not. I feel like that's how it is for the 1D boys. Niall and Harry's posts talking about his energy and passion, the time spent together in the band, public condolences to his family... It's indicative of "we made some great memories in the past but we were no longer close" which is completely understandable. In my eyes, they had no choice but to say something and they have. Zayn and Louis' are far more raw and personal.

I would wonder whether they have all actually been in contact with eachother. I would like to think so but the 1D post could have easily been put together for them and they've each okayed it separately.
 
I guess if you’re in shock, your management are saying something needs to go out today, you probably would give it a glance over and add your own bit and say just send it out. Not everyone’s grief needs to be public. Devastatingly, Louie is more that used to grief and Zayn has gone through similar addiction issues so I guess it hits harder at home. To Niall and Harry, I guess they must still feel slightly on a different wavelength.

What’s interesting is seeing Little Mix liking and commenting on the boys posts, Jesy had her demons and struggled and they were quick to drop her. No doubt they would write the same in a similar situation.
 
monga said:
They don’t know what happened anymore than the rest of us 🤷🏼‍♀️ it could be suicide as much as accidental! I believe they used the word COULD !!
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I used the back of a chair to try and reenact falling unconscious and falling over a balcony and I couldn’t do it. Unless he was already sitting on the edge of the balcony or standing on a table, I struggle to see how he could have fallen unconscious and fallen off the balcony.

And that’s my expert opinion folks.
 
Squittel said:
I used the back of a chair to try and reenact falling unconscious and falling over a balcony and I couldn’t do it. Unless he was already sitting on the edge of the balcony or standing on a table, I struggle to see how he could have fallen unconscious and fallen off the balcony.

And that’s my expert opinion folks.
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I believe you could be right looking at the latest photos.. before seeing these I thought he was supposed to be high and manic.. in the photos which were taken 30 mins before he died he was not manic or even drunk looking which I was expecting.. I think it could have been sucide..
 
I can't believe how affected I am about Liam.
I only know one 1Direction song and none of his!
The last time I felt sad about a celeb death was George Michael, and I was a fan of his. With GM it was sadness as fan, sadness because he was a lovely man, sadness at a massive loss of talent, can't hear his singing without missing his beautiful voice.

Liam was too young, and like I posted yesterday his vulnerability pinged me (and I only saw him on chat shows laughing - but there was something, an innocence, an insecure, not fitting in vibe that caught me).

Shame on the drugs industry continuing to destroy lives.
Very sad for all.
 
Boom Boom!! said:
I believe you could be right looking at the latest photos.. before seeing these I thought he was supposed to be high and manic.. in the photos which were taken 30 mins before he died he was not manic or even drunk looking which I was expecting.. I think it could have been sucide..
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If you’re referring to the pictures posted on Snapchat, they were very likely scheduled and taken days before. Liam was paid to post on Snapchat and probably had to post a certain amount of photos a day, which would’ve been handled by management. His girlfriend wasn’t even in Argentina when he died, yet there were photos of them posted on Snapchat just an hour before. I would not use those photos as being indicative of how he was the day he died.

I would instead pay attention to the description given by the hotel workers, who did describe him as being off his head and manic. The balcony only looks to be about waist height, very easy to topple over if you’re in that state.
 
The people slagging off the girlfriend for leaving Argentina are pissing me right off. What if she’d stayed and he’d killed her instead of himself in his violent rage? Then they’d all be asking why didn’t she leave an abusive situation.

Poor girl can’t win - just like we can’t discern anything about their relationship from her TikTok videos.
 
cwymmie said:
I wonder if people are being a bit harsh on his girlfriend. I saw the TikTok of her leaving Argentina for back home- from the video I took that the plan was 5 days, it had been 2 weeks and she was fed up and wanted to go home.
If he had been drinking/using I can imagine it being a toxic atmosphere. Especially if she was making it clear she wanted to leave and he wanted to stay in the drug/alcohol hole he was in.
I don’t see it as her “leaving him behind”. I see it as she probably made it well known she wanted out of that environment and he didn’t, so she protected herself and went without him.
Given some of the things we’ve heard from Maya, I can imagine Liam was quite difficult to be around and so I don’t blame her for getting out of there and going home.
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MissGlitzyRitzy said:
Magazines have mentioned she was dating someone weeks back but tbh I think it's all PR for comebacks etc.
The PR will want to keep there name out there in preparation.
Mind you sadly this is the sad publicity you dont want. Poor Cheryl and their little boy 🙏 the stuff of nightmares.
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Something about her with a Girls Aloud dancer in one of tacky mags. Went to the show and I’m 99% sure she’s the wrong gender for any of the dancers.
 
Seriously guys. We all have friends who are in our lives for periods of time & who we grow apart from as life moves on. The 1D boys are no different. It has been blatantly obvious that Harry hasn’t maintained much of a friendship with any of the others since the band split. And that’s OK. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t like them or that he doesn’t look back fondly. It’s like if a university friend of mine died suddenly. Yes, I’d be shocked & feel very sad. We spent 4 years together & were great mates. But I haven’t seen them in years & our friendship fizzled out. That’s life. People have this expectation that they remain best mates.. why? They were young, then moved on. Life took them in different directions (ironically 😂)

For all we know, they could have fallen out & it wasn’t great between them. And that’s tough when someone then dies. You were on bad terms but obviously, it’s still very sad..
 
EllaBella89 said:
Having grown up around addicts, I can safely say that there’s only so much you can do. You can’t tie them down and force them to do anything. I have empathy for anyone going through addiction and mental illness, but you can’t blame their family for not doing enough. I’m sure they tried and tried
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I've not really followed 1D at all over the years so I may be way off here too, but I get the sense that unless the parents of 'the boys' were particularly close-knit with them, they lost the control and influence they should have had as their guardians when the group started to take off. Once Simon Cowell becomes the most important adult in your child's life, I don't think you can ever recover a relationship where there going to listen to you first and foremost. It seems like Harry's family were able to keep him fairly grounded. It looks to me like Liam's weren't. Once a minor is touring the world, earning more than the parents will in a lifetime and having experiences the parents can't imagine, I think it's very easy to see how the healthy balance of the relationship can be lost. I'm sure Liam's family will have tried to help over the years, but he didn't want it/want ready for it, and maybe just didn't consider their views or concerns to be of interest or importance.
 
LittlePea said:
If you’re referring to the pictures posted on Snapchat, they were very likely scheduled and taken days before. Liam was paid to post on Snapchat and probably had to post a certain amount of photos a day, which would’ve been handled by management. His girlfriend wasn’t even in Argentina when he died, yet there were photos of them posted on Snapchat just an hour before. I would not use those photos as being indicative of how he was the day he died.

I would instead pay attention to the description given by the hotel workers, who did describe him as being off his head and manic. The balcony only looks to be about waist height, very easy to topple over if you’re in that state.
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The pictures some girl took of him in the hotel lobby don't really prove anything, you can be on drugs and sort of coherent and seem normal one minute then absolutely out of it the next. I actually cringe at my younger self and the states I'd get into.
You just have to watch some of the most recent videos of him, meeting fans, at Niall's concert etc - he is on something be it just drink or a mixture of both drink and drugs but he is definitely not right.
The balcony in the hotel room would be very easy to topple over especially when you aren't all there. If it is suicide I will hold my hands up but something just tells me its been a horrible stupid accident mixed with a lethal cocktail of drink/drugs :(
It doesn't really matter I guess now as either way he was in such a bad place and his demons won.
 
yellowmellow said:
I'm in my 30s and I obviously had friends when I was late teens, early 20s who I was immensely close with, did everything together and have so many memories with. Some of them, I haven't really spoken to in years. The odd message here, facebook comment there. God forbid if anything happened to them, I'd be devastated, and sad for their children and families, but would my day-to-day life be impacted by the loss? Probably not. I feel like that's how it is for the 1D boys. Niall and Harry's posts talking about his energy and passion, the time spent together in the band, public condolences to his family... It's indicative of "we made some great memories in the past but we were no longer close" which is completely understandable. In my eyes, they had no choice but to say something and they have. Zayn and Louis' are far more raw and personal.

I would wonder whether they have all actually been in contact with eachother. I would like to think so but the 1D post could have easily been put together for them and they've each okayed it separately.
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Exactly this!
 
It really gets my wick when people complain that the tributes from 1D aren’t grieving enough. It’s clear they’ve had very little interaction recently (if not longer) and friendships phase out. If one of my childhood friends died (and a couple have) I’d feel immensely sad but I wouldn’t be paralysed with grief - I would treasure the memories and allow those who knew them best (partner, family, closer friends) grieve them harder because they are in their intimate circle. It’s disingenuous for the 1D guys to be completely gushing a) because they likely don’t know the Liam he was in the last weeks/months and b) he’s done some shady things that have come to light and being too saccharine implies they are ok with that behaviour. Like I said, damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I think all four of the tributes were perfectly okay and I hate that they are being criticised or scrutinised. Nobody has monopoly on how grief is presented.
 
Honestly I don't know how any of them had the strength to post so soon. It's clear that Niall and Harry's were ran through the PR mill, but Zayn and Louis' seem extremely raw and from a place of deep pain and regret - especially for Zayn. The tyranny of social media really is awful. In the same position it would take me weeks to process my feelings and to be able to articulate them in any way.

It is clear that they're speaking of the Liam Payne of the past, with the exception of Louis. The reality is they went through something exceptional and lifechanging together, and that will always bond them. But most of them didn't maintain contact with Liam and probably were victim to his addiction and erratic behaviour over the years. That's a very complicated thing to behold. I've watched friends struggle from a far, to the point of being in their firing line and not recognising my friend anymore. You can see and be heartbroken by their struggle but also life is busy and hard for you in your own way and you have to protect yourself. You always think, maybe in a few years when we're older and wiser. It's clear that was exactly Zayn's trail of thought. Water under the bridge, maybe a reunion down the line.

If there's one thing I'd take from all of this, it's to not put off those conversations. Don't assume time that isn't guaranteed to any of us. That's certainly been on my mind a lot today.

Robbie's post was really moving. I feel like he would relate a lot to Liam's struggles and I'm glad he'd been there for him over the years. His message is really poignant too, people are just people. You can and should hold compassion even for people you don't like or relate to. Everyone deserves that.
 
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